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Stop the Abolition of DLA

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Glitterknickaz · 16/01/2011 13:19

The government are proposing to get rid of DLA in favour of PIP. full consultation here

Riven started a fantastic thread in Chat with the very pertinent point that this applies to everyone, that every one of us could be just one step from disability themselves.

There is NOTHING in the media about this. These proposals could mean poverty for the disabled and their families in this country. It could leave some in residential care completely isolated from their families and support networks through the removal of the mobility component.

My family has already been hit three times through the NHS, education and aiming high, via the cuts, if they now remove the money from our pockets we are going to be in a heat or eat situation.

Please MNHQ do something, as many are oblivious to these proposals and what they will mean, including those who themselves already claim DLA.

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theriverrunsthro · 20/01/2011 20:03

Well done the mums who have exposed this weakness in government policy regarding help for the disabled. Actually I am a granny, however I am still a carer at 66. I have cared for a severely disabled Son for over 40 years and had to fight every day for the appropriate help for him and minimal respite over the years. I have 3 other children. I am now a widow and have an on going condition. The care of a disabled child is a life time commitment and never stops, and a reasonable amount of respite is esssential for the family to survive. the threat to raise the elegibilty criteria from substantial from critical would potentially leave thousands of disabled people, children and their families with no support.
Many local authorities have closed or are about to close local day services. Norfolk County Council wants to sell off their purpose built Day Centres, where they have well equipped workshops which were productive (but have been run down)and have a social hub. The big idea is to get people out into the 'community' and get jobs. are they joking? They will be wandering round the local Pound Shop and sitting in cafes.

One other great concern is the government proposal to remove the mobility component of the DLA (Disability Living Allowance) of people in residential homes. these places already run on a shoestring of funds with dedicated staff who are already on a low wage. This would trap many disabled people who are unable to leave the house/ home without a carer, and would potentially be an infringement of their basic human rights. These are bully tactics by the government, attacking the weakest in society. Surely the mark of a truely civilized society is the degree to which it cares for the young, the weak, the old and the vulnerable in that society. PLEASE SEE REPORT BY CHRIS EDWARDS www.org.uk/news-and-events/news/report-cuts-slash-living-standards-disabled-people-norfolk

ReclaimingMyInnerPeachy · 20/01/2011 20:04

oh docfunk the RC got really upset about how that research was portrayed in the press; becuase that wasn;t how it should have been presented

Even if they had tehre's be no difference between so little affected that it was invisible to incredibly severe

Autism is not any one thing; it is diagnosed by the presence of symptoms that can present wildly differntly- google the triad of impairments. It can range from barely affected to severely impaired.

We know some have a mitichondrial disorder, some have brain damage, there are some genes ivovled but a few differnt ones.

We know kids born in areas near freeways have a higher risk but not why.

We know nothing.

ALthough I understand that the ARC research WAS badly presented and misleading it is not reality

ReclaimingMyInnerPeachy · 20/01/2011 20:06

[[http://www.autismresearchcentre.com/docs/papers/2009_Auyeung_etal_PsycholSci.pdf here's[[ teh actual research

ReclaimingMyInnerPeachy · 20/01/2011 20:11

Just to show he wanted to talk about tests BEFORE anything was developed becuase well it ahsnt been:
'Baron-Cohen was interviewed on BBC Radio 4 and was featured on the BBC news page calling for an ethical debate on the issue of a prenatal test for autism, arguing it is important to debate this in advance of such a test existing, given the pace of biomedical research in autism. '

A test for parts of ASD will happen and those will probably be given different names and separate identities but not autism as a one-thing. Well look up definition of syndrome- it is not.

KalokiMallow · 20/01/2011 20:15

docfunk Forgot to say, autism is a huge spectrum with varying symptoms. Having autistic traits does not equal "costing the tax payer hundreds of thousands of pounds"

So either bother to do some proper research or STFU

ReclaimingMyInnerPeachy · 20/01/2011 20:16

I'm tired and have done my aptient bit
can we just go for stfu?

KalokiMallow · 20/01/2011 20:17

We can only hope reclaiming Grin

Mouseface · 20/01/2011 20:17

Yep Peachy.

Too tired tonight. Did you see my fb reply to you BTW?

docfunk · 20/01/2011 20:20

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corinewmoon · 20/01/2011 20:20

I am in . I have supported people to apply for DLA for years. The new proposals as they say talk about focusing the benefit on those who need it most, but what does that mean? Only the most severely disabled people will receive it. WHat about the those with moderate level of disability who also need support. DLA was a nightmare, but it was possible to prove you needed the benefit through reports and appeals. It sems this new system is going on to be based on a medical assessment by a professional, yeah right!

ReclaimingMyInnerPeachy · 20/01/2011 20:22

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docfunk · 20/01/2011 20:23

Oh it looks like this is one of those forums where if the mods don`t agree with something they delete it.

ReclaimingMyInnerPeachy · 20/01/2011 20:23

MNHQ can delete yes

they own it after all

plenty of forums out there will ahve you nop doubt

StartingAfresh · 20/01/2011 20:24

daftpunk?

Am I in a parallel universe?

Triggles · 20/01/2011 20:25

SA yes, I wondered about that as well, as the name is close

docfunk · 20/01/2011 20:27

Ok,I will re-phrase what I said...
Why should I pay to look after someone eases child?
I wouldn`t expect you to look after my child he is MY responsibility.

CatIsSleepy · 20/01/2011 20:29

you have my support, signed the petition

StartingAfresh · 20/01/2011 20:29

Sure doc, whatever. I thought we were a civilised society, but if you really believe in paying just for what you personally benefit from then I'll patent my idea for pay as you go street lamps, that are triggered by an electronic oystercard type electronic device that only come on when you walk past them (unless you haven't topped up recently)!

Triggles · 20/01/2011 20:30

Well, let's turn this around then.

If you or your partner or your 11yo are sick or injured and require ongoing medical care, why should we pay for you? Why should our NHS be burdened with your care? After all, you're not OUR responsibility.....

Mouseface · 20/01/2011 20:30

doc - you are missing the point of this by a country mile.

But then again, being the fittest and surving all others must be a huge burden for you.

Why are you picking a fight here?

ReclaimingMyInnerPeachy · 20/01/2011 20:33

Difference is doc that if it does happen- and it may- we will be here helping you get some support.

What makes youn think we never paid taxes anyway? Or that nbody inour household does?
Oh narrow minded bigotry, course. Sorry.

Disability costs thousands a year; a palce min a resi home thousands a week

Hope that bank account has enough for each of you to pay that yourself if you were injured? Which i hope not btw. I would not wish that on anyone.

KalokiMallow · 20/01/2011 20:34

"Why should I pay to look after someone eases child?"

So you don't use the NHS then?
How about the roads and public transport to get places?

Are you really that stupid that you think that you are a poor little burdened taxpayer getting nothing back? And do you really believe that no one with disabilities or disabled children ever pay taxes?

You are a fuckwit.

docfunk · 20/01/2011 20:34

You wont I pay in to private medical care as I do a lot of winter sports and they are high risk,I dont want to sit in some dirty over stretched NHS corridor....
I wonder why it could be over stretched???

MNHQ
JustineMumsnet · 20/01/2011 20:34

Hi all, we've received this note from Laura, Campaign Manager at Every Disabled Child Matters:

I can't stress enough how significant today has been. Certainly since I have been working at EDCM, these critical issues for families with disabled children have never had such sustained media attention.
We hope that it will result in a high volume of people taking our action to challenge local authorities, and will signficiantly increase the political will to act to address issues for disabled children.

I really hope that Riven gets the support she needs because of it. Please do pass on our good wishes to her. If she would like to take a legal challenge at any point (although it may well now not be necessary!) we have friends in the legal professional who would be happy to give preliminary advice.

And we would also like to say a massive thank you to all Mumsnetters! They (and you at Mumsnet HQ) truly are unstoppable.

Laura Courtney
Campaign Manager
Every Disabled Child Matters
Council for Disabled Children
National Children's Bureau

ReclaimingMyInnerPeachy · 20/01/2011 20:35

Good luckmwith that then##Seen people trying to amke private last a lifetime one too many times.