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Stop the Abolition of DLA

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Glitterknickaz · 16/01/2011 13:19

The government are proposing to get rid of DLA in favour of PIP. full consultation here

Riven started a fantastic thread in Chat with the very pertinent point that this applies to everyone, that every one of us could be just one step from disability themselves.

There is NOTHING in the media about this. These proposals could mean poverty for the disabled and their families in this country. It could leave some in residential care completely isolated from their families and support networks through the removal of the mobility component.

My family has already been hit three times through the NHS, education and aiming high, via the cuts, if they now remove the money from our pockets we are going to be in a heat or eat situation.

Please MNHQ do something, as many are oblivious to these proposals and what they will mean, including those who themselves already claim DLA.

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LaWeaselMys · 21/01/2011 08:55

Just popping in to see how it's going - Mme Lindt those articles are great.

Who else wants to give Amelia Gentleman a massive hug? She has done fantastic work.

Hossylass · 21/01/2011 08:58

WilliamBarton, what did the forces do to be forced to accept such as weak and pathetic specimen as you?

Thatcher and Churchill ran the country on very small amounts of sleep.

But then they were made of sterner stuff than you, as is Riven.

I'm surprised your mother didn't put such a wet blanket as you into care.
Guess that a mothers love is unconditional - even your's.

sixteencandles · 21/01/2011 09:02

Just a reminder - do not feed the trolls!

Keep up the good, good work everyone.

expatinscotland · 21/01/2011 09:13

'still loss of DLA a good thing because some will cope, the rest will find the people they care for in a care home until they can provide better'

Do you have any idea how much those care homes cost? A hell of a lot more than paying DLA to that very same person.

Glitterknickaz · 21/01/2011 09:21

I did make that point, expat. The poster in question then found it amusing to mess with my username and imply that our family doesn't need the money we get.

No, cos we don't need a home, food and heating do we?

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Rhydian · 21/01/2011 09:36

The Broken of Britain thebrokenofbritain.blogspot.com/ is an internet-based disability rights group, run by and for disabled people, We are running a campaign against the cuts/reforms to DLA thebrokenofbritain.blogspot.com/2011/01/dla-reform-tbofb-one-page-summary.html that has been covered in The Guardian, Community Care and many other blogs. We'd love the support of Mumsnet. You could

a) sign the petition against DLA reform www.petitiononline.co.uk/petition/petition-the-minister-for-disabled-people-to-recall-the-public-consultation-on-dla-reform/569/0aa4fc2026635b34c32b57a1e644d746
b) write yo your MP, the Minister for Disabled People and the PM thebrokenofbritain.blogspot.com/2010/12/stop-dla-reform-campaign-resource.html
c) if you live in Wales, ask your AM to support the Statement of Opinion tabled in the Assembly thebrokenofbritain.blogspot.com/2011/01/letter-to-ams.html
d)help to shape The Broken of Britain's submission to the consultation on DLA reform thebrokenofbritain.blogspot.com/2011/01/submission-on-dla-reform-second-draft.html

These are just some ideas - there are other actions and more are planned!

staffielover · 21/01/2011 10:03

I was awarded DLA "for life" in 2008 after a strict medical by then then DSS doctor and supported by letters from my GP and hospital specialists stating that my degenerative condition was incurable and that I was unable to live a normal life due to my disabilities.
I`ll now have to take a work capability assessment(despite being told I was exempt back in 2006) and take regular even harsher regular medicals to see if they can ever cut orstop my DLA payments!
My condition is called Ankylosing spondylitis (A S)which is a painful arthritic disease similar to rheumatoid arthritis(ie,caused by an over active immune system)which affects mainly the spine causing chronic pain and stiffness, caused by the joints fusing together with brittle bone tissue ,,but can also affect other periphial joints.
Crohns disease (inflammation in the bowel) and Iritis(eye inflammation) are also associated with AS.
I suffer bouts of Crohns and iritis flare ups which result in me being unable to go out or drive and flare ups in my A S which means even more pain and discomfort than usual.
All of these conditions have resulted in me getting depression,which has got worse since Osbornes emergency budget speech!

In his pre election speeches Cameron promise to protect DLA and the most vulnerable people in society from the cuts,yet only weeks after the coaltion was formed,smug toff Osborne was saying that he inteneded to retest existing claimants of DLA to cut the claimants by 20% andalso bring in a tougher new test for new claimants.
DWP says that fraudulent claims are around 0.6%,so that makes the other 19.4% who have lost their DLA unfairly treated!

I worked as a self employed painter and decorator for 23 years after I was diagnosed with AS,I was self employed because nobody would employ me direct because I had to have regular days of if I was feeling unwell.
I paid my taxes and national insurance from aged 16 to 39 when i could no longer bear to work because of the pain,yet Iain Duncan Smith calls me a workless person languishing on taxpayers handouts!!!
Needless to say I`m a man and not a mother,but I thank mumsnet for bringing the DLA cuts to the publics attention.
Us disabled people cannot march and protest as able bodied people can,hence why nobody has heard about the DLA prposals and why 1000s of us are deeply worried about our futures.
Best regards,Pete A.

staffielover · 21/01/2011 10:12

sarah293 Sun 16-Jan-11 19:48:26
There's going to be marches. I assume they will be on the websites posted already.

Oh yes, the adaptations thing. If you use a powerchair magically you're no longer mobility impaired. Cos all buses/buildings/the country is accessible right....
WRONG

And they dont even start to think that powered chairs\scooters etc cost £100s and cost money to maintain and repair. get the country back on its feet?they couldn`t run a binge drinking session in a brewery!

Maria Miller minister for the disabled.
I`d prefer to call her minister "against" the disabled ,and in my view, she knows as much about disability problems as I know about open heart surgery!

Mouseface · 21/01/2011 10:22

Morning.

Some of the posts on here are fantastic, thank you for the links.

I have e-mailed my local MP and the LA to ask where their allocated money will be going.

Cressa · 21/01/2011 11:04

Can I just take the time to give my heartfelt thanks to all those on Mumsnet who have taken an interest or action over the crisis currently facing all the disabled and longterm sick.

I don't want to hijack your site but we have so far been given no other voice in the media, despite the long and hard efforts of many.

I will confess - I am not a Mum. It was the biggest wish of my life that I would be. However, I was in an accident when younger, that left me with so many problems, I felt I could not bring children into the world when I could barely look after myself without help.

I had to get into debt simply to survive and pay for care in the early years. I then spent years scrimping by to pay the money I had borrowed back to the banks as I felt it a moral duty. I could have gone bankrupt and let the banks bear the burden and now I wish I had!

I think the public has been grossly misled by this government and the previous. A concerted campaign in the media has left the public to think that everyone on benefits is a scrounger - this was deliberate, so that when the unthinkable assault on the sick and disabled began, the public would not complain. They haven't. So far.

I have every sympathy for Riven and hope she will get the help she needs. But I don't want anyone to be under any illusion that this case is unique. A photo op with Cameron must not hide the reality of what is really going on.

Disabled people have been living in fear since the emergency budget in June and the Spending Review in October - we have even been blamed by IDS for being the cause of the financial mess the country is in!

The public do not know that the current changeover from Incapacity Benefit to ESA will begin for existing claimants in March. This means being subjected to a computerised medical by ATOS, paid millions by the government to do their bidding,where people are being deliberately found fit for work when they are seriously ill and disabled.

It is practically impossible to get put in the ESA "Support" group, even if previously deemed as unfit for work for life under the old system. GP letters, Consultant reports are ignored.

The government says it wants to get disabled people into work, yet the test has no practical application for day to day ability in a work environment. It was labelled as causing misery to thousands by declaring people fit for work when they were not by Danny Alexander, only weeks before the election.

Most of us are struggling just to get through the day. This has been made so much harder by the constant harrassement in the press. There has been a sharp increase in the numbers of disabled people reporting they have been verbally or even physically abused in the street. Many say they are now too afraid to leave their homes for fear of this or that someone who "can't see anything wrong" with you, will follow the governments instructions to report them to the DSS. Many disabilities are hidden. Going out one day for an hour may be at the cost of extreme pain, exhaustion and several days having to recover. This is the bit no one sees. The days and nights alone of pain and tears - and fear.

Many also say they are storing up their medication as a final solution if all these changes go through. I know this is true - I am one of them.

The purpose is not to get disabled people into work, there are no jobs and if we could work we would. We are not all wasters with no education milking the system. Many members of the public seem to think "Shameless" is a documentary.

The only purpose is to turf everyone of Incapacity Benefit onto Jobseekers Allowance, to save the extra few pounds a week meant to cover the additional costs of illness.

Now they are to get rid of DLA, using the same test, which ignores anything you actually say or any evidence from specialists. It is to be replaced with PIP. The expressed intention is to remove 20% of claimants. Yet the DWP own figures say that only 0.5% of claims are fraudulent. It is already an extremely hard benefit to get, requiring medicals and tons of supporting evidence and usually an appeal to a tribunal.

This benefit is available to those with a disability who can work to help with additional costs of adaptations, transport etc. Many who lose their DLA will also lose their jobs. People are already losing their homes.

My plea to Mumsnet is please do not fall for the politician smile and blandishments over Riven. How can there be "sympathy" for one in the media, when the knives are out for all those who are not.

Please support the online petition and the one month to heartbreak blog

Thank you for reading.

YeButerfleogeEffete · 21/01/2011 11:14

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ReclaimingMyInnerPeachy · 21/01/2011 11:23

Cressa excellent post.

I hope not to get CA soon: I have possibly got a few week's work lined up on a short term contract, and hope my own business will start to pay from April (until then seting up website etc so will be income neutral I think). Give it a year and I want say goodbye to the whole lot forever.

But DLA isn't for me, it's for the boys: every letter I get starts with 'This letter is about the person you are caring for'. I hope that the extras it has got ds1 will mean he can work, I think it probably has- that's got to mean a success in any definition I think, he will pay more in tax than he has had by a long shot. DS3 though cannot work. He is increasingly withdrawing into his own world (ASD) and although he talks he has significant issues, and his obsessions- !. DLA means we can keep him safe. Safe matters.

Mouseface · 21/01/2011 11:29

Great post Cressa thank you for taking the time to write it and put it on here. Smile

Mouseface · 21/01/2011 11:38

Something else to consider......

If you are awarded the highest rate of DLA, then you also have more money from Tax Credits if you claim them.

Do we know if the DWP are planning to keep this the same when/if PIP is brought in?

Jordansmum1997 · 21/01/2011 11:45

I am so pleased to see this campaign. I know from personal experience how the sick and disabled are being victimised and villified by the government. I have chronic Chrons Disease and Chrons related arthritis. I not only suffer the indignity of frequent incontinence but suffer daily pain with my hips, knees, feet, wrists and hands. I used to work 18 hours a day in my own business but I was told by my specialist I had to give it up or I would die, my son was only 5 yrs old at the time, I had no choice so I stopped working. Now Im being made to feel like a worthless scrounger for being ill. Its not fair. I cannot believe that the people of this country have lost their compassion. The problem has been this continuous drip feed of 'benefit scroungers' stories. Im not saying their are no benefit cheaters but we shouldnt forget that the amount lost in fraud is a fraction of the amount in the pot of unclaimed benefit that people are entitled to but do not claim. Three times as much is lost to clerical error than is lost to fraud and it is a drop in the bucket to the amount lost to tax avoidance but those who are more than able to afford to pay it.

The sick and disabled cannot take to the streets as by definition, they are not fit and able enough to do so, this makes us an easy target for the government. We need those with a sense of justice and compassion to help in the fight. I hope and pray that Riven gets the help she needs, having an autistic child myself I know how difficult it is to cope with a disabled child.
Thank you mumsnet and all the good people on here who has given this mum some hope.

Rhydian · 21/01/2011 11:46

DLA reform is up for consultation, including 'pssports' to other benefits, so we won't know about PIP and tax credits for a few months yet.

Mouseface · 21/01/2011 11:53

Thank you Rhydian Smile

Rhydian · 21/01/2011 12:00

By the way, Cressa mentions the One Month Before Heartbreakonemonthbeforeheartbreak.blogspot.com/ blog which is a recent campaign by The Broken of Britain -tbofb-one-page-summary.html to draw attentio to our campaign over DLA www.petitiononline.co.uk/petition/petition-the-minister-for-disabled-people-to-recall-the-public-consultation-on-dla-reform/569/0aa4fc2026635b34c32b57a1e644d746. We asked people to blog on the 14th-16th of January on disability issues - one month before the DLA consultation closes on Valentine's Day. The OMBH blog is well worth a read, to help you understand why DLA is so important.

LeninGrad · 21/01/2011 12:12

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TessOfTheDinnerbells · 21/01/2011 12:14

JUSTINE!!!

Question Time: Upcoming Dates & Audience Tickets.

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/question_time/3117500.stm

Question Time also appear to still have 10th Feb with no venue yet. Any suggestions?

How about in the offices / HQ of Mumsnet?

TessOfTheDinnerbells · 21/01/2011 12:30

Question Time here:

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/question_time/3117500.stm

Rhydian · 21/01/2011 12:35

You're welcome Mouseface. Can the people using this site help me rally Mumsnet to our cause? I e-mailed MNHQ asking them to support our campaign this morning but I appreciate that they are busy, and am hoping that some regular users could remind them. With Mumsnet backing our campaign we'd be unstoppable!

ReclaimingMyInnerPeachy · 21/01/2011 12:40

QT coming to my town

Have applied, thnaks

ReclaimingMyInnerPeachy · 21/01/2011 12:40

Oh if they pull out school transport one doesn;t go, the ASD bases are opposite ends of city can't cut myself in half can I?

LeninGrad · 21/01/2011 12:49

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