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I am at my wits end - how the hell do you bottle feed both twins at the same time

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Ewemoo · 23/01/2009 18:28

My dts are now a month old and have turned into babies from hell. They are by no means placid and when they wake up they immediately scream for food or just pure frustration who knows?? After many attempts at staggering feeding they still seem to wake up at the same time both screaming. How do you manage warming two bottles and keeping the babies calm? I am sure it's not possible but it is doing my head in at the moment. Also how do you manage this situation in the night when your dh needs to sleep and can't help you?

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kitstwins · 27/01/2009 12:32

I'm not sure this thread was the kindest place for a discussion by a singleton mother on the merits of breast feeding and how many twin mothers "give up". However, I agree that there's defintely room for a coherent discussion on the paucity of breastfeeding support for new mothers. I'm also of the view that breastfeeding twins requires near-constant support, both phsycial and emotional, in the early weeks. This is in short supply with twins as you have to factor in the logistic struggles of caring for two babies, the very real possibility of prematurity (and the issues with poor suck reflex that accompany that) and the mother often recovering from a caesarean birth.

I know lots of twin mothers in real life. And I'm one myself. And we all planned to breastfeed our babies. And we were all in the lucky position of having maternity nurses for the first few weeks of our twins' birth. All of us planned to breastfeed for around six months and yet all of us stopped - the majority around the five or six week mark, although some were even less. Not for want of trying or because we couldn't be a*sed. We all stopped breastfeeding as we just couldn't square the struggle with the logistics of caring for the twins in every other area. I personally battled on until four months, but this was largely with expressed milk and the occasional top up feed of my rather puny, thin milk - had I not had my hospital grade expressing machine at home I doubt I would have made it past two weeks. I was on my knees with exhaustion, frustration and fear by this point.

For me, the reality of breastfeeding twins was totally different to anything I'd read in the twin books or how I imagined it would be. I had no idea about weak suck reflexes and how long it can take to develop these in a premature infant (once they are outside the womb) and I had no concept of how utterly demoralising and upsetting it is to be on a sofa at 3am with two screaming babies who can't latch. They're screaming at the top of their lungs because they can't latch onto you and in spite of your husband helping, your mother in law helping no one can get those babies to latch on. And the harder you try, the more angry and upset the babies get until they're in such a state they can't be calmed. And in the end you 'cave' and your mother in law grabs a bottle of milk whilst you struggle with the acute sense of failure at how you've failed your babies. For all your plans and high ideals you can't even do the basics and breastfeed your babies.

I think unless you've ACTUALLY been the mother, sitting there trying to feed two babies at the same time then you have NO concept of how hard it can be to feed twins. I got very upset at friends who had their singletons and would say things like "my health visitor says I've got enough milk for twins" as if that was all you needed to make a blinding success of breastfeeding multiples. Unfortunately, as I learnt to my cost, it has b*gger all to do with how much milk you've got and how much you'd like to do it and a lot more with the basic, brass tacks of the nightmare logistics of caring for twins.

All twin mothers do their utmost to do the best by their babies. That we often fall short of our expectations is a source of much personal disappointment and guilt. No twin mother needs to be reminded by a singleton mother of how she has "given up" or "failed" at breastfeeding. The chances are she's beaten herself up about it already.

ck2409 the screaming DOES stop. Mine screamed whatever they did in the early days. They screamed if I put them in the bath, changed their nappy, lay them down, picked them up. If they waited longer than a nanosecond for their milk they erupted into violent, screaming rage. Two tiny babies with bright red heads, rigid bodies and mouths as wide as the mont blanc tunnel. And my husband and I shell shocked and panicked and running around like headless chickens. It was highly unpleasant as we felt as if we were doing something wrong. We weren't - all babies cry when they have to wait and twins cry more as they often have to wait a bit longer. It's not nice for them but it's the reality of twins and there isn't anything you can do as parents. You're doing the best you can as quickly as you can and they do get used to that. It DOES improve though so don't despair - they do learn patience. An older (and wiser) twin mother once told me (in the early days when I was really struggling with the guilt) that no baby is born with patience but twins have to learn it from the start, and that's no bad thing in the long run. Patience doesn't come naturally to babies and so you get a lot of screaming but in the long run you'll end up with babies who are much more patient than a singleton, which makes things heaps easier when they are a bit older. So the screaming is awful, but they do get used to it and they do grow out of it. Dummies help in ekeing out babies when they have a screaming fit, as does a good cot mobile. I found putting a baby under the Tiny Love mobile (has bright and black and white animals and plays horrible plinky-plonk mozart, etc.) would stun them into goggle-eyed concentration and would buy me ten minutes to tend to the other twin/timebomb. If you haven't got one of these then buy one (or two!!) as they are a godsend and far better than the pretty pastel ones that look nice but do nothing.

Good luck and hang in there.
Although things are tough for both twins and parents in the early days, the benfits far outweigh any of the small initial negatives and you have to remember that. They might get less of you and have to wait a bit longer for things but they'll never know any different. All they'll know is a life with a constant companion and love.

Kx

KJTWINS · 27/01/2009 15:11

just want to agree with what has been said i never breastfed mine and admire anyone one that has but at the end of the day as long as the babies are fed, warm and loved does it really matter? if it is possible to sucessfully breastfeed great but surely not at the expense of the mothers sanity and health. twins are hard work and especially at the beginning when they are tiny. people always ask how do you manage? and you know what you do manage because as much as they are hard work twins are a blessing and as time goes on they get even more adorable and you as a mother get calmer and able to cope better.

good luck

Sullwah · 27/01/2009 17:56

I got one of those mobiles that Kitstwins described. They are truely a godsend.

I would put both babies in one cot looking up at mobile and it would absolutely fascinate them. It bought me 20 mins a day to shower and brush my teeth.

Back to feeding:

  1. Back to sofa/bed - sitting between two bouncy chairs.
  1. If you have big thighs like me - sit with legs apart on floor (again with back to sofa/bed for support) - head of each twin on leg facing outwards. It is then possible to "flip" a baby over with one hand to wind it while still feeding the other baby. - this probably worked better when they were a bit older. Guess you could use a v-shaped cushion in the same way if your thighs are not as big as mine
  1. Depends how flush you are - but think about using prepared formula for all the feeds. I changed to pre-prepared when they were 6 months old as we went travelling with them for 3 months - but looking back I wish I had just gone the pre-prepared route from the beginning.

I cried the day my maternity nurse left as I had no idea how I would cope. But 6 months later DH and I took our boys on a three month holiday (two month road trip across the US, a fortnight in New York and three week in S France!). You develop your own ways of doing things - just be organised and systematic and you can do it. And ignore people like *Greenmonkeys" - they have absolutely no idea.

You are truely blessed - and you are going to have sooooo much fun. Mine are 11 months now and seem to spend all day giggling with each other - its so cute .

MilaMae · 27/01/2009 19:27

I had the Tinylove Mobile too-a godsend. Dsis turned her nose up initially(as she did the electronic swing),3 weeks in I think she was begging for both

Respect to Sullwah!!!!!! We did a big road trip through the South of France at 11 months and we came back back with a real feeling of smugness- Us and New York beforehand hats off to you

We have lovely memories of said trip so it is worth looking ahead to all the months/years of fun you've got ahead of you, it kind of helps to pull you through the early days iykwim.

MagdaMagyarMadam · 27/01/2009 20:59

Would second the use of ready-made formula especially during the night. It's good to have it on hand for times that babies just won't wait, you can't bear to hear the hungry cries or you're just too tired.

Can DP help at all during the night? At 4 weeks old we were using the ready-made. We each fed a baby and then DP went back to sleep while I did a nappy change afterwards. We fed the girls at the same time, E seemed to always be the one to wake first -J was/is a bigger baby and she seemed able to go a little longer but we gently woke her up when E did. We got the whole "procedure" down to 20 mins each "session" 3 times between 11pm and 8pm so only had to be woken up twice iyswim. DP says that he found this manageable. (Just checked with him in case I had put on my rose tinted specs!)

When I was by myself I used pillows on the bed to prop them up or put them in bouncy chairs and fed them at the same time if I wasn't b/fing.

The most important thing is to do what is best for your emotional/physical wellbeing, hard I know because our instinct is to put babies needs before ours every-time. If you can get some good sleep between feeds and keep your energy levels up then things will/do get better, it really does. Time does pass quickly and soon you will look back and wonder how you did it.

I too was desperate to exclusively breastfeed but even with support I found it very difficult as my milk supply was never great. I managed to combination feed for 5 months with help of breast pump but still feel a little sad that it never turned out how I wanted. What is sad is when women can't show some empathy with other women who chose a different way of feeding their babies for a multitude of reasons/circumstances.

I have to say that I had tremendous support from DP, my family and friends and a fantastic GP and realise just how very lucky I am.

neverknowinglyunderdressed · 05/02/2009 19:47

Podee handsfree bottles. A lifesaver. Keep them on the same routine of feeding at the same time and use Podee's you'll save hours. Any questions about them feel free to ask...used them with my DTS from 5 weeks old.

twinmam · 07/02/2009 20:55

Bloody hell - wish I'd have known about them - they sound fabulous!! Thank goodness my two angels now can hold their own bottles. How are you getting on Ewemoo? I hope all is getting a bit easier

accordiongirl · 08/02/2009 23:06

kitstwins, that was a really fantastic post, eloquent and beautifully written! I agree with you.

accordiongirl · 08/02/2009 23:08

Greenmonkeys - body contact is more important than calories. Oh ha ha. That's pathetic!

kathryn2804 · 09/02/2009 00:03

I think Green Monkeys was just pointing out that formula feeding is not easier than breastfeeding, though a lot of people seem to think this. Yes breastfeeding is very hard in the first few weeks, but once it is established it is actually a lot easier than formula feeding. Definitely about half the work I would say. No sterilising, no making up feeds, just stick them on the boob.

I breastfed my twins for 13 mths, and now I'm a peer support counsellor and deal with all the multiples in my local area. It is so important to have the support in those first few weeks. People get told a load of crap from a lot of the health professionals. I think it is important for people to have a realistic view of breastfeeding. It has to be learnt, it can be done with very small babies, you can tandem feed, you will have enough milk, there are growth spurts to contend with but they only last for a few days, it does make you lose loads of weight, but it is REALLY hard work at the beginning, but well worth it if you can bear it.

There are difintely those that give up too easily, but there are those that battle through loads of stuff and come out fully breastfeeding, and there are a load in the middle. Everyone is different. But give it a go, even a few feeds is better than nothing!

Anyway, hope the tandem bottle feeding is going ok!!!

jennyroper · 09/02/2009 06:35

ewemoo
i bottle feed my 12 wk old twins. My right arm is paralysed so i don't tandem feed. This is what i do.....
sit and calmly (as poss) feed one while the other one screams blue murder.
When i have finished I feed the second one (during which time the first one doesn't necessarily stay quiet!). Not fun but just the way it goes.
I look at my 2 year old son and know it doesn't go on forever.
GM you seem to be poorly informed and highly opinionated. What a terrible combination.

twinmam · 09/02/2009 09:39

Ha ha - well said jennyroper and hats off to you for coping with two babies and a paralysed right arm. Makes me feel very humble for all those times I've whinged that I need another pair of arms to cope with my twins. Hear hear kits - v well said. Still devastated I didn't manage to bf my babies for more than 8 weeks (and that was actually combination feeding, expressing for one who never latched successfully and bf'ing the other rather than exclusive bf'ing) Yes, Kath2804 agree it's def possible and would have been so much easier IF I could have done it and that it CAN be done- saw another SCBU mum with babies far tinier than mine bf'ing away merrily. However there just doesn't seem to be the support for mums who struggle with bf'ing let alone those with multiples which adds a whole other layer of difficulty to the situation. Great that you are offering support in your area as a volunteer just feel so that it doesn't seem to exist consistently across health services despite the lip service paid to breast is best. Look back now in disbelief at me trekking with my giant double pram 3 weeks after a c-sec to the bf clinic at my hospital then sitting there with two screaming babies whilst the two lovely ladies there tried to deal with about 15 desperate women with screaming babies! Anyway, totally digressing as really only meant to come on here to say that I hope things are getting better for you Ewemoo and to express my admiration for those of you who seem to say things so much better than I could hope to and who cope so well with what must be an even tougher time.

kitstwins · 11/02/2009 16:42

Kathryn2804 "There are definately those that give up too easily"

Really? And you're the all-seeing judge on that are you? I appreciate that you are well-informed on the subject and are a counsellor and offer local support but I do take issue with your view that some people "give up too easily". How do you know how easily they've give up? Sat up with them when they've cried all night because they can't feed? What may seem like a flip decision can actually be a tortured, guilt-ridden conclusion after days of sleeplessness, tearfulness and an acute sense of failure.

If people chose not to breastfeed or chose to give up after one feed, one day, one week or one month then I say all power to them. If that's the best decision for them then that's the best decision all round. It's not "giving up too easily". More like making the best decision in difficult circumstances. Not everyone is walking the same twin path as you, which is why not everyone manages to breast feed until 13 months. It's often not for want of trying or because we "gave up too easily".

Sullwah · 12/02/2009 14:23

Kitswins - I think you are banging your head against a brick wall.

I don't understand it. But for some reason there is a certain type of bf counsellor who will always post on a thread asking some practical question about ff with comments on how wonderful bf is (cos of course the OP and the rest of us interested in the practical question would not have known otherwise ).

They either just don't respect the OP decision to ff or they just like to grab every opportunity to advocate bf and just don't care about the OP or any other post ff decision mother's feelings.

galaxymummy · 12/02/2009 19:50

This has been a really interesting thread to follow. I have a friend who wants 5 minutes peace so I am going to buy her a tiny love mobile and offer to feed her twins for her so she can have a beautybath.
About podee have found the babies need to have enough suck for 40 babies 5weeks maybe but 6 week prem triplets can take 4-5 months

galaxymummy · 12/02/2009 19:51

sorry meant 40 weeks carried ie born on due dates

RachelMur · 12/02/2009 21:36

I have an EZ 2 nurse foam pillow which I use to feed my 9week old twins. I have both breast and bottle fed them on it. Got it from twins.co.uk. It's much more supportive than the ordinary 'v' shaped pillows.

As for them screaming just let them get on with it. It might upset you but it wont hurt them. I try to feed my twins at the same time or I'm stuck on the sofa for hours. And as much as I would love to give them the attention I gave my eldest I can't there are two of them, sometimes they just have to cry whilst I get on with nappy changes, bottle warming and all the other things we have to do.

I do talk to them constantly and in particular the DS finds that soothing. I have also caved and these two have dummies, which my eldest never did. But my goodness the peace and quiet is worth it.

Hope this helps

neenztwinz · 15/02/2009 21:12

I always put one in the bouncy chair and rocked it with my foot while I fed the other. Never really got the hang of tandem feeding.

I think it is important to remember that 10 mins crying never killed a baby - my babies cried a lot at first cos I only have one pair of hands. It is not nice to listen to but sometimes you just can't do anything about it.

They are 9mo old now and are the most contented little babies ever. I actually think the early days where i couldn't always rush to them when they needed me (if I was with the other) has helped them.

I also think it is a bit rich of greenmonkies who has never had twins to come on here and extol the virtues of BFing twins. And then to pretend it was all innocent actually I she was just trying to help

Bigchops · 16/02/2009 12:30

Can I just say first and foremost, breastfeeding is not always easier then bottle feeding.... please don't make twin mum's feel worse then they already do by not breastfeeding. Unless you have had twins yourself you DO NOT how we feel.

The op nearly made me cry, it's sooooo difficult in the beginning. I had no help with night feeding and as my 2 didn't have the sucking reflex it took them an hour each to feed during the night one after the other and were feeding every 3 hours.

The turning point for me was 3 months and they seemed to change over night... literally. After 3 months I started feeding them one on each thigh and it was the best thing I ever did, it's hard to wind them but you soon get the knack.

There is some fab advice on here and I hope your coping ok and finding out how lovely it is to have twins.

My boys are 21 months old and it's sooooo easy now, you will get there believe me

Good luck

G x

neenztwinz · 16/02/2009 15:56

Seven weeks old was the turning point for me. Before that they were feeding every 90mins each in the night so i was getting about 3hrs sleep a night. At 7wks they fed just once in the night between 11pm and 7am.

At 11 and 13 weeks they slept through

It does get easier - promise!

twinmam · 17/02/2009 12:35

What a lovely post BigChops and loving the idea of things being 'soooo easy'! My girls have just turned one and I can't believe how much easier things are than even a couple of months ago. Def agree with the turning points people have referred to on here - my biggest ones were 3 months when we seemed to find a routine and later on things like being able to sit up on their own/ hold their own bottles etc. The one year old revelation that everyone promised is also here now and things really do seem so much more manageable Also wanted to second or third everyone's comments about how important it is not to judge other people's decisions/circumstances re. feeding. I have been v hurt in the past by comments on mumsnet about bf vs ff and although I know a lot of that hurt is self-inflicted it really helps no one to extol the virtues of bf to a mum who has clearly already stopped and may well be suffering the anguish that so many of us clearly remember. 'Not everyone is walking the same twin path as you' - wise words Kits. How are you finding things now Ewemoo? Do come back and tell us!

neenztwinz · 17/02/2009 13:02

Ooh, twinmam, please do tell what happens at one year old! Mine are 9mo now.

twinmam · 17/02/2009 13:27

Oh I hope I haven't exaggerated how great things are when your DTs turn one ... unfortunately I didn't wake up at 11am on the morning of their first birthday to the smell of bacon frying as they prepared me breakfast to thank me for all my hard work mummying them over the last year. It was the usual 7am shrieking of DD2 that woke me... However, I really have found that things have just clicked over the last month or so. Now the girls are moving around confidently they seem less in need of my attention all the time, especially physically. I think they got frustrated when they couldn't move around as easily themselves whereas now they will get into trouble play together quite happily and I can actually sit down and watch/ join in!!! Then there's the need for far fewer bottles, no sterilising, weaning off formula and bottles altogether, DD1's reflux seems to have vanished. I'm enjoying my girls more than I ever have and the worst days really do feel as if they're behind me. It's lovely to read on here that things will continue to get better. Not that it's been terrible but there have been difficult times certainly and it's nice to feel that a lot of these are behind us

neenztwinz · 17/02/2009 14:16

Thanks twinmam - what, no fry up? I was looking forward to that on Mother's Day .

My two are not moving yet and I keep thinking in some ways it will be easier when they can move cos at the moment they do get frustrated like you describe. Although in other ways it is loads easier that they stay in one place.

Everyone thinks I am mad of course to want them to start crawling/walking but I think I am prepared!

Ewemoo · 17/02/2009 14:25

Well, the dts are 8 weeks old tomorrow and quite honestly things are harder now than ever. They were on Gaviscon which did nothing, then I changed their formula from sma gold to cow & gate comfort. I had heard so many good things about cow & gate that I think I expected a miracle and it hasn't happened. They hardly settle at all and it is a struggle to get bottles made and this week my dd1 is off from school which adds to the stress. This morning I had the dts screaming at the same time for food and my 4yo demanding breakfast over and over. I felt like running for the hills. Every day seems like a battle and I envy my dh for 'escaping' to work every day. I quite honestly dislike my life. A few months ago I was working full-time and enjoying a relatively easy dd1. What has happened since then. Although I love my dts I do resent having dts as a concept. I would never have chosen to have 3 dcs but I was given no choice. I keep telling myself it will get easier as I went through a hard time with dd1 who was a nightmare as a baby. It just seems like a long way in the future. I just want my life back!

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