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Racial awareness

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Rustie · 11/12/2007 11:33

My son is 4 years old. He's mixed race and has been aware of colour for some time. He used to say that he was white but he stopped saying it, which was a relief, but now he's started saying it again.
I'm black and very aware of all the issues surrounding race but don't really know how to broach the subject. I know he can only handle so much information but I don't want him to get a shock when someone (and they probably won't be polite about it), tells him that he isn't white?
Tried books, have talked to him about it, not really sure what to do next

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Blu · 11/12/2007 11:39

Are you with his Dad? (don't want to make assumptions - isn't in your post)
Sometimes DP and I used to sit in bed on a Sunday morning and play around with DS having a mock tug of war over him 'he's mine, I want him' etc -and then we;d say 'no he's both of ours we made him together, half from Mummy , half from daddy' and then look at our varying skin tones which proved he was half from Mummy and half from Daddy.

It just arose naturally out of the mock-wrestling and pulling him apart - which probably some will flinch at as a way to bring up children! .

DS has variously described himself as 'brown', 'desai' - which is the Hindi word for Indian, and now 'mix race' (sic)which he has picked up from school.

LoveAngelGabriel · 11/12/2007 15:01

It's difficult with such young children, isn't it? You don't want to go over board banging on about race all the time, but of course it is important to instill a sense of identity and pride into them. I think you're going about it in the right way, really. Keep up the chats now and then, perhaps get some more books from the library on the topic (Have you looked at the website for letterbox library? Some nice books there for young children about differences in skin colour, culture, hair etc - gentle introductions to 'difference', rather than a full on lecture on the topic!). Do you have any mixed race friends or friends with mixed children? That might make it easier for him to get his head round it.

It's tricky, because as parents we want to protect our children from feeling different or being confused about their identity (particularly parents of mixed children), but realistically, children do often learn from the outside world and perhaps it will take another child pointing out that your son is mixed race for it to start to have any meaning for him. As long as he has plenty of positive, loving input from you and his other family about his heritage, that's the main thing. He's still very young. Don't overthink it too much!

HappyDaddy · 11/12/2007 15:09

DW is black, I'm white and dd is 3.5 years. She knows that I'm pink, her mum is brown and that she is pink and brown mixed together. We've tried to keep it to a physical colour thing, rather than bring the race issue into it. Didn't want to confuse her too much.

Rustie · 11/12/2007 18:19

Thanks for the advice everyone. Yes I have friends with mixed race kids (although they don't live in London) and he does play with other mixed race children at nursery, but he's said some things (about not liking so-and-so because they have a black face).
I've asked him if he feels the same way about me, or his grandma, or my friends, or his relatives in Jamaica and he says no, so there is some major confusion going on.
I have encountered some confusion amongst mixed race adults. Some have overcompensated for not being fully black, as it were, and some have denied their black heritage completely.
That's a long way off for my son but I know that these problems with identity start early.

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Katymac · 11/12/2007 18:23

Rustie - I have a 10yo DD who is mixed race & I struggle constantly with this issue

I'd love to offer some practical help - but I haven't found anything that helps

We live in a very white area and she is referred to by strangers as the little black girl however she 'sees' herself as white

LoveAngelGabriel · 11/12/2007 18:42

We haven't had to deal with these issues yet, to be fair (as DS is not yet 3). It must be very hard to see your child having issues with part of their heritage. My best friend (DS's godmother) is mixed race (white Irish mother, black Nigerian father who was absent), but was raised by her mum and has 5 younger half siblings who are white. It is only recently (at the age of 30) that she has started to acknowledge how difficult it was for her, looking back, and how confused she was throughout her childhood and teens about who she was. I think it's true that many mixed race people do identify more with one side of their heritage, which is a shame, I think. To deny one side of the equation is to deny apart of yourself. I do see why you are concerned. Hopefully some more experienced mums and dads will come along with wise words for you! (and me!)

MarsyChristmas · 11/12/2007 19:03

I'd not make a huge deal of it just now. All of mine have gone through some version of that. Like you I am a black mother.

Need to pop out but back later. Seen some good comments here.

Mercy · 11/12/2007 19:11

I'll try to come back later too.

I'm a middle aged, rather mixed culture person so have been through various phases and experiences over the years.

But I don't have any strong identifiable ethnic background so maybe I'm not the best person to advise. Am interested in this topic though

MarsyChristmas · 11/12/2007 22:34

he does play with other mixed race children at nursery, but he's said some things (about not liking so-and-so because they have a black face).

Children state the obvious. It won't necessarily be a racial thing. It's just something to identify that child... like "I don't like him he has glasses".

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I've asked him if he feels the same way about me, or his grandma, or my friends, or his relatives in Jamaica and he says no, so there is some major confusion going on.

It's not so much confusion as their way of recognition. DS1 (now 15) was 5 when he realised that I was black. I remember an African children's choir had come to his school and he came home, told me all about it and then told me that they had gone home to Africa. After that every time he saw someone black he'd say "That man/woman is from Africa." After a while (because I took it in the same vein as "He's a man so he has a willy. She's a woman and she only has a bum bum" - gotta love kids) I said..."What about me?" He looked at me and said... "But you're Mummy" He didn't recognise that I was black, simply that I was his mum. I'm not saying I had encouraged racial/colour blindness, simply that it's not that complicated for children. When he realised that I was black (several months before his best friend - who was white realised the same thing) he asked if I used to live in Africa. I told him that I was Jamaican. I also told him that white people can be born in those countries and black people here. It was simple and he understood.

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I have encountered some confusion amongst mixed race adults. Some have overcompensated for not being fully black, as it were, and some have denied their black heritage completely.

Yes, that's quite sad but actually, think back to when they were growing up - when we were growing up. Black History month was not about, awareness of black people as equals (I mean in a more holistic sense - work, beauty, intelligence.... iyswim) has improved greatly. There are more black people on television, in film, in magazines etc. It is "okay" to celebrate your blackness/heritage in a way it never was before. I remember being told how well I spoke for a black person. On different occasions I was told I was quite good looking for a black person. So with the "improvements" in society (and yes we can all think of other ways that things can improve) having a mixed heritage is not so readily seen as a bad thing. My hope is that when our children reach our age they will be happy in their skin and with what they have taken from both mother and father.

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That's a long way off for my son but I know that these problems with identity start early.

We help them with that. Not society! Us! Do we celebrate them because of the colour of their skin? Or do we celebrate the wonder that is our child? I truly believe that if we do our job right and make our children feel loved, valued and esteemed it almost doesn't matter what anyone else thinks or says to them. They will know who they are.

So... the choice is yours really. Is it such a big deal at this age? Is it something that needs to be watched? What messages are we giving to our children? Celebrated for who or what they are or are not?

I don't doubt that you love your child dearly and want him to embrace and celebrate his whole self and others. My eldest is 15 and my two youngest are 3.10yrs. The world has changed from when DS1 was a baby but I still expect to hear the twins try to understand why their father and I are different colours. My fondest memory is DD1 (now 13). She said... "I'm brown, DS1's brown, Mummy's brown... poor Daddy is just white". She gave him an extra cuddle to be sure that he didn't feel left out because he was "different"!

I do hope that that has helped a little.

splishsplosh · 11/12/2007 22:46

I'm glad I came across this thread. My dd is only 22 months, and I want to make sure I do all I can to help her grow up valuing both sides of her cultural heritage, and being pruod of who she is.
I hope by telling her how special she is, how great, how beautiful etc that she'll value herself.
Her dad and I are likely to split up, so that makes me more worried, though I hope he'll still be very involved, and I'm sure his mum will always play a big part in her life.
I saw a programme once which said what a large proportion of black/mixed race children chose not to play with a black doll because they saw it as bad. I was so shocked by that.

MarsyChristmas · 11/12/2007 22:48

Mine have always loved their black dolls. I give black dolls to my white friends' children as well. It is shocking, but hopefully less and less common.

bruces · 11/12/2007 22:53

I have 3 children,and from the start when they've asked what colour we say brown,and that they're very special as they have a mixture of west indian and english heritage.
We always made sure we had books with black/bi cultural people in and didn't make a fuss of pointing it out.
just gently tell him each time that he is brown,but try not to stress,let him know your proud of who you are and your partner is proud of his heritage.

bahKewcHumbug · 11/12/2007 23:00

I have this complicated issue ahead of me with the added twist of a DS who is central Asian/European mix, a white mother and no father in sight! Living in London helps to expose him to all sorts of cultures but if anyone knows where to get a central asian boy doll which might appeal to a car obsessed 2 yr old I'd be grateful.

splishsplosh · 11/12/2007 23:04

And does anywhere sell mixed race dolls? I haven't done any major research, but so far I have only seen black and white dolls,and she has 1 of each so far.

bahKewcHumbug · 11/12/2007 23:05

Ithink there are plenty of American sites but whether they deliver here is another matter.

MarsyChristmas · 11/12/2007 23:07

You can buy stuff here but after my pc crashed I lost my links. Will have to do a wee bit of research for you all and post them when I find them. Of course if you use the search facility you may find the links here on MN because it is a question/thread that has come up several times before!

MarsyChristmas · 11/12/2007 23:11

blacked, mixed, oriental dolls

MarsyChristmas · 11/12/2007 23:15

multicultural toys

MarsyChristmas · 11/12/2007 23:18

positive identity

bahKewcHumbug · 11/12/2007 23:20

think I will have to browse that second one and look for the closest match to DS I can get - he isn't really oriental - closest common race would proabably be Thai maybe?

MarsyChristmas · 11/12/2007 23:21

and here's a thread with more suggestions on it

That's me done for now!

PaulaYatesbiggestfan · 11/12/2007 23:24

marsy i love that comment by your daughter!

as a white woman with an all white family i would just add that race issues do exist in all families imo

i have tried to 'educate' (i do think that is the right word) my children about race/culture and 'colour' issues since day 1. I do feel strongly about it.

having childrens and baby books from different cultures just means you can 'normalise' different skin colours etc to help prevent any one seeing other folk as different
dolls as marsy says ..by chance we have a lot of african art i think it just opens up a childs mind early.
as others have said - a lot of what children say is just the obvious ...my dc4 has just started school and has become bosom buddies with mixed race identical triplets the only physical description he has used for them is that 'm's hair is fluffy!'

I would try relax - personally i dont think you really have to address this head on - he will soon build up a feeling of 'who' he is of his own accord.

you sound like you are doing a fab job!

sallystrawberry · 11/12/2007 23:38

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MarsyChristmas · 11/12/2007 23:44

how's your study strawberry?

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