Starmer's parting shot is to give EU students a £30k discount of their uni fees.

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This is a kick in the teeth to our own students. If he has money to discount off uni fees for students he should discount our own students. It's an outrage.

Taught post grad. It was the best way to do it tbh. Would have cost to do it anywhere else

One of Mr Burnham's first things to u-turn on.
He loves the EU. He wants us to rejoin.he just said he didn't for getting elected.

No longer paying more than others is not getting a discount really, it's no longer being charged extra.

Many countries do it. It’s a way to get something back for the value of universities.

I guess the value isn't there to justify paying additional fees for EU students anymore so you can either dig your heals in or adjust to the market. Either way it won't be like it was pre-brexit but it might be the lesser of two evils if you look at it that way.

Or EU students do not want to risk facing visa issues half the way through Uni, with the political climate recently.
They are likely moving towards courses or whole degrees in English, from other EU universities, or even out of Europe.

Is it that? Student visas have been clamped down on.

Students pay to use U.K. universities, the demand is there even at the higher price it’s being limited though this end.

And as another pp said non EU pay a lot more and value the universities enough.

Ageee. This is potentially great news for us. 3 DC, both parents British, living in EU. 2 Dc get home fee rates, youngest would have to pay international rates as applying after 2028, thanks to Brexit. This will benefit lots of British kids too, who happen to live outside uk

As long as we don’t offer them student loan funding - it’s unlikely to be enforceable and many ex students abroad do not pay. Their home country should do this.

Errr yes of course. There’s no suggestion that EU students would have access to loans

What about article in Telegraph?

UK universities are telling KS not to do it. It will cost already struggling UK universities £500 million a year.

UK universities are against it. It will cost them 500 million a year.

I mean many countries charge o/s students more. Yes I can see they will be concerned about the cost of the proposal.

Do we really need anymore competition for university places, it's already difficult for British students let alone opening it up to more. Places like medicine, dental etc are already difficult for the brightest students, why educate ones who are likely to leave. We need more home grown talent.

It’s behind a paywall, so I can’t see it. The article in The Independent is speculative, saying that this was going to be a point for discussion/ negotiation at the summit that has been postponed. A government spokesperson is quoted as saying they don’t recognise the claims. If The Telegraph can offer evidence of a signed agreement, then I’m happy to be proven wrong in believing it all to be speculative at this stage.

This will financially cripple some universities. Absolute destruction. Plenty of universities are very oversubscribed - they can’t take any more students, but rely on the massive overseas fees to balance the books. Others who are short of students might welcome this, but it seems ill thought out (or not thought out at all). As usual with governments, they just do things thinking that one size fits all. My nearest uni, which a couple of my friends work at, will be totally and utterly fucked by this.

Sorry I didn't read the whole thread...My dd (brought up in EU) was eligible for home fees under the Withdrawal Agreement, but still chose to go local and pay 800 euros tuition vs £9000 per year. She was offered a place at Edinburgh Uni for a Master's but as that was £13,000 she again elected to stay in the EU and paid 1000 euros tuition at another top ranking university. Why does everyone think students will be queueing round the block for UK uni places when they are much cheaper or even free elsewhere? This will surely only have any impact on the top ranking places where probably the EU students with money already are?

My thoughts exactly.

I have a decent education level with 2 degrees. I own property in another country and travel quite a lot. I rent property to people from several different nationalities. I have friends from different cultures. You assume a lot about me. I still believe that this discount for EU students will be bad for UK universities who rely on the higher funding from EU students to subsidise the cost of teaching UK students. The Telegraph reports it will cost UK universities £500 million each year. Universities are only just breaking even. This will tip them under. No thought have been given to where the additional accommodation or health care will come from.

I am confused here sorry.

You overall appear to be against non UK students studying in the UK, but at the same time you want non uk students to subsidize UK ones.

How about an alternative idea, such as a penny on income tax to properly fund UK universities, instead of relying on students subsidizing other students ?

How do Scotland manage it ? Can't England move to the Scottish model ?

I'm not against overseas students studying in UK but I think as they are overseas students they should pay overseas fees.

Yes that was quite some post below with assumptions.

And how the hell does it benefit us !! It means more and more foreigners will take up our kids places at Uni ! Wtf is wrong with you. This shows how much Starmer detests us and literally wants our kids to FAIL. Don’t you bloody get it ??? 🙄

And the result is ??? Less Uni places for British youngsters ! That’s ok with you is it?