Do all 18 years old go on UC if they cannot find a job

[Crystalovertherainbow]

Do the family needs to show their income or the new adult is considered their own financial unit now , even if they live with the parents and their UC is given them

All 18yos with a modicum of intelligence should be able to move somewhere and get a job. I get there's no jobs in some rural areas but there are in cities and I think moving at 18 is something you do.... whether to Uni, or to work. Claiming benefits at 18yo in the absence of very specific circumstances is just ridiculous. There are loads of jobs available.

And where might they live? so ridiculous.

That's part of the litany of things that Spoilt Little Rich Girl can do whilst still never understanding what it's like to be working class. To be working class is to not have that escape hatch of "if you called your dad he could stop it all".

Listen again.

I said, "Pretend you got no money"
And she just laughed and said, "Oh, you're so funny"
I said, "Yeah, well, I can't see anyone else smiling in here"
Are you sure?

Claiming UC whilst living with parents is a necessity for some people. Their parents can't sub them. Their parents aren't smiling in the supermarket.

Not all 18 year olds are academically minded and are better off in a trade or going straight into the workforce.

How is an 18 year old supposed to move to a city for work without already having a job in place? They’d never get approved for a rental not even a flat-share! Unless mummy and daddy can afford to pay for them, of course.

Or how about mummy and daddy kick them out instead as a “kick up the arse”, and they end up in a grotty flat share claiming housing benefit to pay the rent as they were booted out before they’d had the chance to establish themselves in a job? But your whole problem is that you don’t want them to claim benefits. Give your head a fucking wobble

lovely.

Redundancy, life-changing illness are not usually lifestyle choices. Thankfully we live in a country that supports those in need, whether that be short-term or longer.

Sometimes you get what you aspire to.

Sometimes you get what you get.

No one aspires to signing on. Some of us have to do it anyway.

An 18 year old moving away for a job will need to pay a sizeable deposit on at least a room in a shared house. There is usually a period when you start working before you actually get paid. How will an 18 year old, unless their parents are well off, be able to afford this kind of move?

And yet the law says that your kids have the right to it.

You don't get a medal for not claiming what you are entitled to. Nor will the Chancellor write to thank you.

What's wrong is shaming people for claiming what they are entitled to. And yes, it is shaming to call someone "wrong" for claiming what the law says they can have.

Doesn’t matter how much you don’t want your children to claim UC/Jobseekers. They need to learn that there is no stigma to claiming a benefit. You are also wrong that benefits are just a safety net. If someone is struggling to get a job there is help that is also offered.

I really don’t understand why people are attaching stigma to signing on.

No one can guarantee that they will go through life, always in a job that pays them enough money to put a roof over their heads and feed and care for their families, always able to cover bills, always in good health etc

How far would you go to have your adult children not claim benefits.

Why is a gap year “privileged” if you work and fund it yourself? And it wasn’t just me cleaning loos. DD and DGD have both done that. DGD still does it. I was the first in my family to go to university. I worked before, during and after. DD did the same, DGD is also doing the same. No doubt it’s hard, and getting harder, but it is possible.

That poster is seriously sheltered. They don’t have a clue.

Let’s imagine the scenario of a teen that lives in a village where there’s no jobs. One parent is disabled, the other is a carer and household income is very low. They haven’t been able to save anything to give their child when they turn 18.

The child is stuck. They weren’t academic enough to get into university but they do want to work.

Parent’s lose their child benefit as the child has turned 18, sending the family further below the poverty line.

Child has 2 options:

1. Not claim universal credit due to “morals”. Can’t get a job as can’t even afford transport to the local town. Ends up socially, financially and emotionally isolated and depressed. Maybe ends up on PIP for severe mental health problems in the end due to their bleak circumstances.
2. Signs on for UC as soon as they can, and save half of the £300 or so they receive a month for 2 years. The other half makes up for the loss of child benefit in the household finances. By 20 they have been able to save enough to do a driving lesson crash course and passed their test, and have an amount left over for an old banger car that might last them a year or so. They then find a job in the local town and can drive to work, and after 6 months working there are able to put a deposit down on a rental in the town.

Or the mythical option 3…which is “just don’t be poor” of course!

In a house share with other people the same age, like I did?! They may even have fun🙅

Parent Any job is better than no job. dont you dare claim benefits
nineteen year old daughter. Ive signed up to OnlyFans
Parent no not like that

Some people can't find that disposition, like me. I'm autistic. I didn't have kids because I know that I am not someone who can care for others. I didn't even get married because I hate being around others so much.

Why is a gap year “privileged” if you work and fund it yourself? And it wasn’t just me cleaning loos. DD and DGD have both done that. DGD still does it. I was the first in my family to go to university. I worked before, during and after. DD did the same, DGD is also doing the same. No doubt it’s hard, and getting harder, but it is possible.

So you have all cleaned loos? And doing that to go on a gap year? and you can't see that going on a gap year is a privileged thing to do. You still need a job at the end of the gap year. You wouldn't do a gap year, and use up what you'd saved from the loo job (how are you contributing to the household and funding yourself etc and saving up?) unless privileged with something/ someone to fall back on.

I remember having the conversation with my mum about the possibility of webcamming to make money. She made the excellent point that the footage, once out there, could be seen by future employers.

Also not to mention in cases of severe hardship UC offer financial support for travelling to job interviews separate from the basic allowance.

Or is it better that the teen living in a rural area has to ask their parents for £20 a week transport costs when the parents might already be in severe poverty themselves? The parents become stressed and irritated as they are already worse off for losing the child benefit, but their costs in supporting their child haven’t decreased at all. They are an adult who eats more, and needs financial investment in order to even FIND their first job.

The 18 year old wouldn’t stand a chance without this small helping hand from the government.

Scenario of 18 year old Josh, who lives in central London and CBA to get a job because he wants to game and thinks UC would be great for him to have spending money on his game is a different story of course, and parents would be well within their right to tell him to piss off if he mentioned an intention to sign on.

In a house share with other people the same age, like I did?! They may even have fun🙅

So they're giving house shares to people with no income or money who've gone to the big City to get a job? right

But how do they PAY for it without a job first? Or are they expected to live on the street first until they have some money coming in? FFS!

I am talking about those people who can work and choose not to and not the people you spoke about. Didn't the BBC or ITV put on programmes about people on benefits and the commentator taking the piss out of them. A capable 18 year old can get a job and learn some life skills. They don't need to be on benefits it's a joke.

My kids had at least £2000 in their banks when they turned 18 from money they earned themselves ( paper round/ life guard). Plus their CTF which I think all kids would have which would be at least £800 in a s&s ISA I think if not added to at all?

Congratulations on completely bi-passing the point of my comment in order to share the story of how impressive you are! Hope you feel better now.

My kids had at least £2000 in their banks when they turned 18 from money they earned themselves ( paper round/ life guard). Plus their CTF which I think all kids would have which would be at least £800 in a s&s ISA I think if not added to at all?

Are you for real? all kids have £800 and they are going to use this to move out, get a house share in a new city and get a job. Okay.

God all these pearl clutching people who would rather starve than claim any benefits at all just don't understand the system. You should go and live in America or a shit country where there are no benefits. We live in a country with this system and that's what it's there for. Good for you if you don't claim. I take it you didn't take any hand outs during COVID either?

From personal experience:

• Very few landlords will let out even a bedsit to someone who isn't working.
• Those who will let to out-of-work tenants demand a "rent guarantor", someone who isn't on benefits and legally agrees to pay your rent if you don't.
• 100% of landlords want a month's rent as deposit and a further month's rent up front.

Consider these scenarios:

1. You live in a rural ex-pit village with shit buses. Your parents are on the dole or disabled, so cannot be your guarantor. How do you move to somewhere else to look for work?
2. You live in a rural ex-pit village with shit buses. Your parents refuse to be your guarantor. How do you move to somewhere else to look for work?
3. You live in a rural ex-pit village with shit buses. Your parents don't have two month's rent to lend you. How do you move to somewhere else to look for work?

It's not about intelligence nor laziness, but about landlords being risk-averse and it being impossible to start the job without moving first because of the transport sucking.

Unlike white-collar jobs, which can come with relocation allowances and may allow remote working or flexible start times temporarily, minimum wage jobs require you to live somewhere where you can be at work on time on day one.

Those jobs don't exist any more. People don't have papers delivered and pool lifeguards have to be trained and over 18, what with being responsible for keeping people alive.

You won't get much change out of £2000 after paying a bedsit's deposit and month's advance rent where I am.