Botwatch 88 !! MLM is dying but we are still watching and sadly there are still many victims. 99.6% of participants in these “legal” schemes lose money but they are STILL being promised the world by MLM.

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@BotpottyI have occasionally looked at Preacher Bot but never really followed him. I am really sorry for him and awaiting the full diagnosis must be very stressful and I hope he gets the best possible news, but …

It’s interesting that he’s training as a Methodist minister. One of the churches that features on his SM is absolutely reminiscent of an FLP event - lights, music, preaching of certain messages, unquestioning audience, light entertainment element. My great grandfather was a Methodist preacher in the 1900s, an ardent socialist, and looking at his books of sermon notes, a deep thinker about the human condition and the inequalities his community suffered (which eventually meant he abandoned preaching in favour of trade unionism). Obviously that was a different time! But it’s still hard to imagine pyramid schemes sitting well with the few Methodists I know.

It makes me wonder what preacher bot preaches, what his agenda is and whether his interest in preaching would stretch to a grey chapel in Merthyr Tydfil or only as far as an audience of local women who are receptive to the MLM-esque choreography on offer?!

If it’s not a completely cynical way to a new audience then I wonder what mental gymnastics he has to go through to recruit people to Forever Living (who he must know will more than likely crash and burn), to position his illness as happening despite the excellent nutrition he says he has courtesy of FLP (when he may have already been told that FLP Aloe Vera will have had no part in preventing his illness and has no credible evidence). He has adopted the persona of the good and ethical preacher in training, how does he square that with the way FLP operates? Does he just not think about it very hard?

I’d like to think that while he’s training as a Methodist preacher he will be required to ask himself some hard questions about his own ethics. I get the sense he is someone who has rolled around in the goodness and positivity glitter and would see any searching challenge to him as the mark of the godless/bad/sad people. It’s the same old MLM defence; I’m positive and good because I say I am and you’re negative and bad because you question it, but I can help you see the light. It’s as if training as a preacher is an inoculation against being accused of being a scammer. Or am I far too cynical?

Oh, I think you are spot on

Forever Living accounts are out:
8% drop in turnover.
Small increase in profits:- they have reduced staff numbers.
The directors have taken £3.8m of cash out of the business (dividends) - approx half the cash.

The continued turnover drop will be a concern. This doesn’t just impact UK, but also the US Forever HQ purchases.

@ZerotoSixtySnail thanks for the heads up. Off to have a look …

Only 8% drop is not as much as I’d thought it would be 😞

but, year on year there’s been a decline since 10 years ago

I note they are still using the ‘post pandemic’ phrase as an excuse 🙄

Yawn says she's slaying goals and dodging the neggy narks. Roughly translated as she's been on here, read the ever maddening truth which grates on her inner narc ego so badly she has to post about it. As the saying goes yawnbore dearest, truth hurts. But hey you keep slaying even if you are a liar!! Can't win all the time!

My entirely uneducated opinion is that 2025 accounts will be a clusterfuck. They will now have rent to pay on the new offices which will be significant. The cost to build out the new offices will also feature. The directors have taken half of the held cash as dividend which is a huge amount and could signal the other half being removed this year.

Presumable the directors can take out as much cash as they want from the business

I noticed the huge dividend. And operating profit is so low on turnover.
Their accountants are true magicians.

Noticed Yawn is on a cheap date day. Walk around a pond then probably lunch in nearest Wetherspoons. Mr Yawns choice since he is probably tightening purse strings.
I wonder if he has to work shifts so that he is available for date days during the week.

Anyway she is now gloating about semi retirement. I’m very semi retired mainly because I have a substantial pension. I can’t see how Yawn has accumulated sufficient savings/investments to retire yet. She also seems to be spending a huge amount of her free time trying to promote her business.

She also introduced the idea of merchandising, so it’s fairly likely that she has entered her digital merchandising phase. Clever use of her co-worker, who will do all the graft to produce online “stuff” that Yawn can sell. I hope her co-worker has the presence of mind to copyright it in case the venture turns sour.

@YouOKHun. Ha ha- just caught up on FB - how come you missed the sign and the hand of Fatima- I actually snorted out loud!!

Castle has just posted on fb about how tattle life trolls have tried to ruin her life. I’m on an Mlm thread on there and it focuses on squash minus - don’t think I’ve ever seen forever scamming ever mentioned on there tbh.

I can never get over how much FL bots think they look amazing- and that we care about their birthday dresses etc.
I am 50 this year. I most likely won’t buy an outfit, never mind spend 6 months buying eleventy billion dresses to try on- which all look terrible by the way 2jags- and ask for opinions on social media.
I can’t believe she is only 40 this year tho. FL products show how shite they are.
I don’t wear make up or use shite products and I bet if you put me next to yawn and 2jags people would say I look younger. Without spending £££ on collagen too 😂😂

I’ve just done a proper search and can’t find anything on tattle about any of the huns we discuss.

@WorthySlothI was just about to comment on Castle’s stealth boast that she is targeted on a certain website, implying she has a high profile. I can’t find mention of her and I don’t think I’ve seen one on there when I’ve looked at it. I’ve certainly never seen anything unkind about her children or Dsis which would be totally unacceptable. Nor have I seen comments about her face/body which would also be unacceptable and irrelevant to comments about her conduct.

I also haven’t seen anything said about her lack of honesty about her past income and present income source. The pretence that her coaching empire is paying the bills continues to mislead people into thinking that what she is selling works for her and so will work for them. Criticism of the lies she tells every day isn’t trolling and she knows it.

@Crikeyalmightywhat? Where? Who? Which post?! About Preacher Bot?

@Norma27we are relying on you to attend a Soirée at ARSEhole House as you have mentioned it’s not too far away from you. You may not be prepared to buy a birthday dress but surely you would buy a new frock for such a glittering occasion as a Sunday afternoon spent rubbing shoulder pads with the esteemed leader. You could even ask him how his management consultancy company is going with its one single customer and helpful back up from a familiar Spa town accountant. It’s also your chance to make small talk with other luminaries such as Uber, Bloodsucker and the blow-up Mr Blobby Aloe doll. Think of the social prestige on offer. The warm Prosecco, the sophisticated chatter, the valet parking service offered by local yoof in that nearby public car park, the proximity to Waitrose which only adds to the swish venue. That must warrant the purchasing of a Michael Kors Handbag and a flesh coloured bodycon frock and some white booties??!

If you don’t cut the labels out and are careful not to spill that little cup of Aloe gloop down the front of it you could take them back to the Bot Boutique and throw a wobbly until they give you your money back or sell them on Vinted despite not needing to because of your seven figure income etc.

I am now very tempted to go along! I bloody well have to.

I’m going to decide which bot to go along with as a guest. Obvious one I know from years ago or choose a new one

And as I’ve said- choose an opportune moment to tell them what I do as a JOB

@YouOKHun no on yawns Facebook 2 days ago with a picture of earrings

Just to say Forever Living Scammers.
HMRC Fraud investigators know your names 😂

I wonder how 2jags husband would feel if there was anything untoward?

@CrikeyalmightyI missed that! My entertainment has been restricted because I was banned from Yawn’s FB for commenting politely on Mr Yawn’s employment status and his choice of electric car from a tax perspective which seemed to cause meltdown as it might have given away the fact he isn’t a kept man courtesy of her coaching empire. Now I am having to look at Insta and am missing some things. I’m not sure if that’s disappointing or a mercy.

@Norma27yes, you must go to ARSEhole House and report back!

As for Mr 2Jags, he isn’t too worried about 2Jags committing some sort of fraud that would embarrass him and compromise the income that props up her empire. She is still struggling at a more basic level to work out the difference between profit and turnover (according to her article in the Sun). So she has a long way to go before she is going to act like some kind of underworld Mr Big, so he has nothing to worry about, she will spend her day simply lying about the effects of FL collagen and at no point earn enough to pay tax let alone fail to pay tax.

He can go off to work in the morning with his new truncheon and new badge safe in the knowledge that she will spend the day gurning at her phone camera or treating her followers to videos of her washing her face. Though he probably should worry about her accidentally giving away the exact coordinates of his work, their children’s school, their home address and their car registration numbers and when they’re not at home!

Went on tattle and did a few searches including FL, nothing came up. Unless it is about her scam uni, that is. Will check .

Also, if WE can go onto tattle and do searches for evidence, so can her followers (just curious, natch). They won't find anything either. Will they become suspicious??? Why she lying'?