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PREMIUM BONDS JAN 25 .........

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Blondeshavemorefun · 03/01/2025 10:49

New thread and I've been asked to give some basic info. Feel free to add stuff

PB have been about since 1957

Been 30yrs (April 2024) since a million was then the highest prize

nsandi-corporate.com/news-research/news/30-years-premium-bonds-ps1-million-jackpots#

Each bond is £1. You have to buy in minimum of £25 so means 25 chances to win every purchase - years ago you could buy £1 at a time.

Odds of winning £1 million on Premium Bonds at face value are 1 in 2,489,469,818 if you have £25 in PBs.

However most people have more than £25 so the odds depend on how much you do hold.

If you have £100 the odds in any given month are 1 in 49,563,028

£1,000 in PB the odds are 1 in 4,954,991

£50,000 in PB the odds are 1 in 96,839

To win anything odds are 1 in 22000

So providing you have more than £100 you have better odds than winning the lottery 😄

And obviously far better than the lottery - you don’t lose your stake !!!!!!

Bonds have to be in for a clear month before going into the draw

If you want to cash bonds in then usually takes 3 days to go into your account

Winnings can be reinvested if holdings are under £50k

This means they will go into the next months draw without losing a month

Or sent to named bank account if winnings take over FH /want winnings in bank account

More info here

www.moneyhelper.org.uk/en/savings/types-of-savings/premium-bonds

The best time to buy premium bonds is on the last day of the month, as this means they are only held by NSI for one month and one day, without being entered into the prize draw.

PB to me is the fun and thrill each month of what if I win big and a millionaire - to then hoping win thousands to a day or two later being grateful if win £25😂

I have nowhere near the maximum and probably never will unless I win £50k + on pb

But only takes one £1 to win that million !!!

I love seeing the low holdings win high amounts

We've seen over the years £100 win £100k and £50 win £25k and even £1 won £10k

Maximum is £50k per person so some do have all for family- mum dad and 2 kids so £200k etx

Those on the thread are varying from few hundred /few thousand - to 20/30k to full holdings of £50k

Everyone is welcome to join in whether small or full holdings

One would expect if had full holdings of £50k to win something every month and think over the year to earn the same as if in a high interest account to win around £1925 in prizes

If have £5k average luck is £175 winnings a year

Obviously some people have better 'luck' than others and some worse - Ie full holdings and not winning anything a month or two or even longer

PB odds calculator below

moneymarvel.co.uk/calculators/premium-bonds/

Or this one is quite good as shows the interest rate of the winnings - obv anything over 4% is good as if in an account you wouid be taxed so be more like 3%)

In August 2023, NS&I hiked the prize fund to a 24-year high of 4.65 per cent from 4 per cent, a level not seen since 1999 🙀🙀🙀🙀

But it has been steadily falling since, and of January 2025, the prize fund rate - the amount of the total fund paid out in prizes - is 4 per cent (www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/saving/article-14127405/Premium-Bonds-prize-fund-rate-cut-NS-deals-blow-savers.html)

www.candidmoney.com/calculators/national-savings-premium-bond-calculator

From google (august 2023) - The consistent winners are the 1.16 million people who have the maximum £50,000.

They hold almost half of all premium bonds and, at current odds of 1/22000 can expect a monthly stream of tax-free prizes: two a month and three almost every other month, 28 or 29 a year totaling £1,925

From google (Jan 2024) Tho equally With Premium Bonds, for every person who wins £1 million, a lot of people have to win nothing. So the median average will always be lower than the mean average.

This means that, with average luck, most people will win less than the prize rate each year, regardless of how many bonds they hold

To work out your own personal % rate

Take your total prizes, divide it by the number of months and x by 12.

Then divide that figure into your total holding and x 100.

So say £500 prizes in 6 months / 6 x 12 = £1000.

Holdings £30,000 = 1000/30000 x 100 = 3.33% interest rate.

But many on here do have £50k and then consider moving it to an account that pays 4% if their bonds aren't doing very well as would then def get extra money

But remember savings /interest get taxed

PB and their winnings don't

So anything over 3% in winnings is considered good.

So they do dither whether to pull out from pb and put in high interest account if not winning anything so that they will def earn x amount of interest

But then lose the what if won a million or £100k

If you have PB but not sure if you have ever won esp if moved about a lot

you can write to NS&I. Include these details in the letter:

	Current name

	Current address

	Premium Bond holder number 

	All previous addresses where you might have registered bonds

	Your signature 

You can send your letter to:

NS&I,
Sunderland
SR43 2SB.

There are 2 apps afaik

Cream - prize checker and if won previous month will show a pic - which we all get excited over 😂😂😂

Blue - the app its self works but the showing early often doesn't work for me but those who reinvest their winnings say it shows if won the day before app shows 🙀🙀🙀

Seems the higher the winnings the earlier it shows and can be from 6pm the night before the app shows

And to confuse things I have a White app that is a bookmark - which shows info/list 😄😄😄

Now this has been debated on MANY times but seems to be correct

When do we find out if going to get a visit from AM 😂

The two winners of 
the £1million prizes will be contacted by Agent Million (AM) 😂😂 the day before the first working day of the corresponding month.

There may however be 
exceptions to this, such as when the first working day of the month is a 
bank holiday, for example.

So

Day before first working day - Millionaire knock /call

First day of working month - list showing all winners million to £1k winners - which I always put up for those who can't find it

Day after first working day , including weekends - cream app showing all winnings

You can also check to see if have won via this link with your holders number

www.nsandi.com/prize-checker

Hopefully I've covered everything

Good luck one and all 😄

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catkatcatkat · 03/02/2025 08:13

Countrylife2002 · 03/02/2025 08:09

I was just thinking about this. Another example of how wealth begets wealth.

But there’s always a chance for us at the other end…!

FH is hardly enough to set you up for life.

kiraric · 03/02/2025 08:15

I think it's because of the tax side of things - if you are wealthy, PBs become more sensible than savings accounts and it's useful to have some £ in something really safe.

I mostly save in a S&S ISA but find PBs useful as a place to stash some money totally safely

Wolfcub · 03/02/2025 08:46

Nothing for me on the high winners list

Blondeshavemorefun · 03/02/2025 10:01

I love seeing the small holdings win £10k and had them just over 2yrs and win a million

£100 wins £100k
£470 wins £50k
£500 wins £50k
£201 wins £25k

OP posts:
doodles55 · 03/02/2025 10:16

Nothing for me on the BW list .. hey Ho!!
maybe tomorrow will land with a lovely surprise for all in the same boat

DrMadelineMaxwell · 03/02/2025 10:50

The smallest holders who won something...
£1 holding in Devon got £1000
£5 in the wirral got £1000
£5 in outer london won £5000.

No big prizes for us here this month.

DrMadelineMaxwell · 03/02/2025 10:54

The Devon bond was bought in 1969.
Wirral in 1977 and the outer london one in 1980.

Macadamia20 · 03/02/2025 11:16

This is my first draw having bought some bonds for my daughter and I in December.
I see a £25k for someone who bought £700 in December! Sadly not me though!!!

Parratha · 03/02/2025 11:32

I have the app but it's saying "1 day until the next results". Where is everyone else seeing Feb's results?

1975wasthebest · 03/02/2025 11:44

Parratha · 03/02/2025 11:32

I have the app but it's saying "1 day until the next results". Where is everyone else seeing Feb's results?

None of us have seen our results yet but we’ve been looking at the high value list to see if we’re listed.

Twillywoowooo · 03/02/2025 11:47

I’m in outer London so think I’ll just wait until tomorrow when the app updates. I haven’t the patience to check and I know I haven’t won the big prize!!

BuyingButterAndSatinSandals · 03/02/2025 11:52

Parratha · 03/02/2025 11:32

I have the app but it's saying "1 day until the next results". Where is everyone else seeing Feb's results?

The OP always kindly posts the link to the High Value Winners List just after midnight, so if you look back at her posts for late last night you will find that link. The other option is to go to the NS&I website on the Prize Checker page - again, link in the OP - and the HVW list is on there.

All the other results for the lower prizes are released later tonight/overnight via the apps and NS&I Prize Checker page.

BuyingButterAndSatinSandals · 03/02/2025 12:00

Starryknightcloud · 03/02/2025 06:36

Thanks for the list, I filtered by my area then scanned down the holding amount but doesn't look like anything matches sadly.
Hope some of you have better luck this month and always hopeful for some smaller prizes - will that be tomorrow?

Yes, sort of. All the other results for the lower prizes are released later tonight/midnight/overnight via the apps and NS&I Prize Checker page.

Twillywoowooo · 03/02/2025 12:07

I checked the value holdings and only one matched mine and they don’t live where I do. But who knows, could still win several small prizes! Until tomorrow 😉

BuyingButterAndSatinSandals · 03/02/2025 12:17

claudiaswinklemen · 02/02/2025 20:21

I had an unknown mobile number ring today. I’m guessing Agent Millionaire would leave a message?

It seems from reading about some winners' experiences that AM visits the winner's home on the day and the next morning until s/he finds the person in. If the winner is still not in then AM leaves a letter asking them to contact her/him/NS&I.

I'm not sure if they ring or email first or not. I seem to remember reading on here that they do, but I can't remember where that information came from. If they do ring, I'd be surprised if they leave a message because of confidentiality, security and potential scam concerns.

BuyingButterAndSatinSandals · 03/02/2025 12:32

No AM visit for us yesterday, alas. I can't take the pre-emptive butter purchase back either as we used some of it prematurely on crumpets!

I've been studiously ignoring the HVW list and plan to do the same with the full results until after or during my first cup of tea tomorrow morning. I'm not very good with rollercoaster rides, so doing it this way seems to help me withstand the monthly PB one!

Good luck one and all!

Sallyingon · 03/02/2025 12:34

I checked the big winners list, which I never normally do and there is a chance that my son has won 10k. Certainly someone with the same amount, bought at the same time in the same county. I'm excited for him but I'm keeping it to myself!! Luckily my kids are used to me bursting in at 7am on results day demanding that they press the button!!

ThisOldThang · 03/02/2025 12:43

I know NS&I say that new bonds are no more like to win than old bonds, but there are 3,172 winners who bought their bonds in 2024 vs 17,052 winners that purchased their bonds between 1958 and 2023.

https://nsandi-corporate.com/news-research/news/premium-bonds-2024-year-figures
"The total amount of eligible Premium Bonds held increased by more than £5 billion in 2024 – from £122.2 billion to £127.7 billion." [£5.5 billion new bonds]

Bonds purchased in 2024 won 15.7% of the prizes, despite only making up 4.3% of the total bonds issued.

Bonds purchased prior to 2024 won 84.3% of the prizes, despite making up 95.7% of the total bonds issued.

That means that, in the January 2025 draw, 2024 bonds were 365% more likely to win than the overall average and pre-2024 bonds were 12% less likely to win.

WellsAndThistles · 03/02/2025 12:45

ThisOldThang · 03/02/2025 12:43

I know NS&I say that new bonds are no more like to win than old bonds, but there are 3,172 winners who bought their bonds in 2024 vs 17,052 winners that purchased their bonds between 1958 and 2023.

https://nsandi-corporate.com/news-research/news/premium-bonds-2024-year-figures
"The total amount of eligible Premium Bonds held increased by more than £5 billion in 2024 – from £122.2 billion to £127.7 billion." [£5.5 billion new bonds]

Bonds purchased in 2024 won 15.7% of the prizes, despite only making up 4.3% of the total bonds issued.

Bonds purchased prior to 2024 won 84.3% of the prizes, despite making up 95.7% of the total bonds issued.

That means that, in the January 2025 draw, 2024 bonds were 365% more likely to win than the overall average and pre-2024 bonds were 12% less likely to win.

Edited

Have you factored in that people can buy £50K in more recent years though?

1975wasthebest · 03/02/2025 12:48

ThisOldThang · 03/02/2025 12:43

I know NS&I say that new bonds are no more like to win than old bonds, but there are 3,172 winners who bought their bonds in 2024 vs 17,052 winners that purchased their bonds between 1958 and 2023.

https://nsandi-corporate.com/news-research/news/premium-bonds-2024-year-figures
"The total amount of eligible Premium Bonds held increased by more than £5 billion in 2024 – from £122.2 billion to £127.7 billion." [£5.5 billion new bonds]

Bonds purchased in 2024 won 15.7% of the prizes, despite only making up 4.3% of the total bonds issued.

Bonds purchased prior to 2024 won 84.3% of the prizes, despite making up 95.7% of the total bonds issued.

That means that, in the January 2025 draw, 2024 bonds were 365% more likely to win than the overall average and pre-2024 bonds were 12% less likely to win.

Edited

So you’re more likely to win if your bonds are recent - is that what you’re saying? If so we debunked that theory (but I know we’re only a tiny sample).

JollyHostess101 · 03/02/2025 12:49

Sallyingon · 03/02/2025 12:34

I checked the big winners list, which I never normally do and there is a chance that my son has won 10k. Certainly someone with the same amount, bought at the same time in the same county. I'm excited for him but I'm keeping it to myself!! Luckily my kids are used to me bursting in at 7am on results day demanding that they press the button!!

Ooooh good luck!! I'd be adding them to my app for 1 minute past midnight if I was you!!

InMySpareTime · 03/02/2025 12:56

When you sell bonds it starts with the oldest first, so people with fluctuating PB holdings will have more new bonds for the same balance than people building up a holding but never cashing in.
That would make it appear that newer bonds win more as there are more of them than old ones IYSWIM.

ThisOldThang · 03/02/2025 12:56

WellsAndThistles · 03/02/2025 12:45

Have you factored in that people can buy £50K in more recent years though?

That should be irrelevant if every bond has the same chance of winning. Only 4.3% of the overall bonds were purchased in 2024, so they should have only won 4.3% of the prizes, but they won 15.7% of the prizes.

It's only one month, so it probably doesn't mean anything, but I'll check again each month to see if there is a trend.

ThisOldThang · 03/02/2025 12:59

InMySpareTime · 03/02/2025 12:56

When you sell bonds it starts with the oldest first, so people with fluctuating PB holdings will have more new bonds for the same balance than people building up a holding but never cashing in.
That would make it appear that newer bonds win more as there are more of them than old ones IYSWIM.

OK. I see what you mean.

The total number of bonds has increased by £5.5 billion, but there will also be people that, for example, withdrew £50k in January 2024 and bought £50k in June 2024 and those people won't be included in the £5.5 billion increase.

InMySpareTime · 03/02/2025 13:14

A lot of people get "fresh" bonds each year as they put aside tax money from self employment then pay a tax bill with it. They could be regular PB holders over decades but all their bonds would be from this year.

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