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PREMIUM BONDS DEC 2024 .......

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Blondeshavemorefun · 21/11/2024 14:55

New thread and I've been asked to give some basic info. Feel free to add stuff

PB have been about since 1957

Been 30yrs (April 2024) since a million was then the highest prize

nsandi-corporate.com/news-research/news/30-years-premium-bonds-ps1-million-jackpots#

Each bond is £1. You have to buy in minimum of £25 so means 25 chances to win every purchase

Odds of winning £1 million on Premium Bonds at face value are 1 in 2,489,469,818 if you have £25 in PBs.

However most people have more than £25 so the odds depend on how much you do hold.

If you have £100 the odds in any given month are 1 in 49,563,028

£1,000 in PB the odds are 1 in 4,954,991

£50,000 in PB the odds are 1 in 96,839

To win anything odds are 1 in 22000

So providing you have more than £100 you have better odds than winning the lottery 😄

And obviously far better than the lottery - you don’t lose your stake !!!!!!

Bonds have to be in for a clear month before going into the draw

If you want to cash bonds in then usually takes 3 days to go into your account

Winnings can be reinvested if holdings are under £50k

This means they will go into the next months draw without losing a month

Or sent to named bank account if winnings take over FH /want winnings in bank account

More info here

www.moneyhelper.org.uk/en/savings/types-of-savings/premium-bonds

The best time to buy premium bonds is on the last day of the month, as this means they are only held by NSI for one month and one day, without being entered into the prize draw.

PB to me is the fun and thrill each month of what if I win big and a millionaire - to then hoping win thousands to a day or two later being grateful if win £25😂

I have nowhere near the maximum and probably never will unless I win £50k + on pb

But only takes one £1 to win that million !!!

I love seeing the low holdings win high amounts

We've seen over the years £100 win £100k and £50 win £25k and even £1 won £10k

Maximum is £50k per person so some do have all for family- mum dad and 2 kids so £200k etx

Those on the thread are varying from few hundred /few thousand - to 20/30k to full holdings of £50k

Everyone is welcome to join in whether small or full holdings

One would expect if had full holdings of £50k to win something every month and think over the year to earn the same as if in a high interest account to win around £1925 in prizes

If have £5k average luck is £175 winnings a year

Obviously some people have better 'luck' than others and some worse - Ie full holdings and not winning anything a month or two or even longer

PB odds calculator below

moneymarvel.co.uk/calculators/premium-bonds/

Or this one is quite good as shows the interest rate of the winnings - obv anything over 5% is good as if in an account you wouid be taxed so be more like 3.75%)

In August 2023, NS&I hiked the prize fund to a 24-year high of 4.65 per cent from 4 per cent, a level not seen since 1999.

But it has been steadily falling since, with the last cut to the prize fund to 4.4 per cent from 4.65 per cent in March

From Dec 2024 it will be at 4.14%

www.candidmoney.com/calculators/national-savings-premium-bond-calculator

From google (august 2023) - The consistent winners are the 1.16 million people who have the maximum £50,000.

They hold almost half of all premium bonds and, at current odds of 1/22000 can expect a monthly stream of tax-free prizes: two a month and three almost every other month, 28 or 29 a year totaling £1,925

From google (Jan 2024) Tho equally With Premium Bonds, for every person who wins £1 million, a lot of people have to win nothing. So the median average will always be lower than the mean average.

This means that, with average luck, most people will win less than the prize rate each year, regardless of how many bonds they hold

To work out your own personal % rate

Take your total prizes, divide it by the number of months and x by 12.

Then divide that figure into your total holding and x 100.

So say £500 prizes in 6 months / 6 x 12 = £1000.

Holdings £30,000 = 1000/30000 x 100 = 3.33% interest rate.

But many on here do have £50k and then consider moving it to an account that pays 4% if their bonds aren't doing very well as would then def get extra money

But remember savings /interest get taxed

PB and their winnings don't

So they do dither whether to pull out from pb and put in high interest account if not winning anything so that they will def earn x amount of interest

But then lose the what if won a million or £100k

If you have PB but not sure if you have ever won esp if moved about a lot

you can write to NS&I. Include these details in the letter:

	Current name

	Current address

	Premium Bond holder number 

	All previous addresses where you might have registered bonds

	Your signature 

You can send your letter to:

NS&I,
Sunderland
SR43 2SB.

There are 2 apps afaik

Cream - prize checker and if won previous month will show a pic - which we all get excited over 😂😂😂

Blue - the app its self works but the showing early often doesn't work for me but those who reinvest their winnings say it shows if won the day before app shows 🙀🙀🙀

Seems the higher the winnings the earlier it shows and can be from 6pm the night before the app shows

And to confuse things I have a White app that is a bookmark - which shows info/list 😄😄😄

Now this has been debated on MANY times but seems to be correct

When do we find out if going to get a visit from AM 😂

The two winners of 
the £1million prizes will be contacted by Agent Million (AM) 😂😂 the day before the first working day of the corresponding month.

There may however be 
exceptions to this, such as when the first working day of the month is a 
bank holiday, for example.

So

Day before first working day - Millionaire knock /call

First day of working month - list showing all winners million to £1k winners - which I always put up for those who can't find it

Day after first working day , including weekends - cream app showing all winnings

You can also check to see if have won via this link with your holders number

www.nsandi.com/prize-checker

Hopefully I've covered everything

Good luck one and all 😄

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PremiumPrizesPlease · 29/12/2024 01:20

Is it better to max out an ISA first? I'm so clueless about investing money it's embarrassing.

BibbityBobbityToo · 29/12/2024 01:22

shuggles · 29/12/2024 01:14

@BibbityBobbityToo It isn't an either/or scenario though and some of us will have multiple investment types.

The overwhelming majority of people (probably the 99%) don't earn nearly enough money to max out either an ISA (annual 20k allowance) or PBs (max 50k).

We're all at different stages of life and this thread does tend to attract people with higher savings/disposable income.

25 years ago I couldn't buy enough food for more than one meal per day. (Literally no breakfast, lunch or snacks for me as it was me or the kids).

25 years later, kids have left, mortgage paid off, several promotions at work etc and finally found myself living with a modest income and savings but still with the make do and mend mentality i had 25 years ago. There is no shame in being poor but equally no shame in being comfortable after a life of hard work and sacrifice.

BibbityBobbityToo · 29/12/2024 01:26

PremiumPrizesPlease · 29/12/2024 01:20

Is it better to max out an ISA first? I'm so clueless about investing money it's embarrassing.

Personally I would go ISA first as the interest is guaranteed (presuming I am a tax payer). Then, if I maxed out my £20K ISA allowance, anything extra would go into PB.

Then, next April, I would start with the ISA again.

PigletJohn · 29/12/2024 01:40

PremiumPrizesPlease · 29/12/2024 01:20

Is it better to max out an ISA first? I'm so clueless about investing money it's embarrassing.

Any money that you "save" will lose value over time as it will be eroded by inflation faster than it gains interest.

Over a year or two it doesn't matter much, but for pensions and long-term, you need an investment, preferable simple, and definitely with low charges.

PremiumPrizesPlease · 29/12/2024 02:25

PigletJohn · 29/12/2024 01:40

Any money that you "save" will lose value over time as it will be eroded by inflation faster than it gains interest.

Over a year or two it doesn't matter much, but for pensions and long-term, you need an investment, preferable simple, and definitely with low charges.

We have investment properties (one of which is mine pre-marriage) so I don't know if it's better to pay it off before I do anything else? It currently breaks even rather than earning. My work life is likely to be cut short due to a progressive illness but if I medically retire my private pension will only be around 5k a year at the minute. I'll be relying on the property to give me an income plus potentially other property income (although DH manages these and I'm honestly clueless about them - I take no pride in this but it's complicated).

I hope to be able to work part time self-employed alongside my part time salaried work for another year or two, then I'll need to be self-employed earning around £500-800 pw.

shuggles · 29/12/2024 02:37

@BibbityBobbityToo and finally found myself living with a modest income and savings

How do you max out your annual ISA allowance on a "modest" income?

FiveShelties · 29/12/2024 03:20

shuggles · 29/12/2024 02:37

@BibbityBobbityToo and finally found myself living with a modest income and savings

How do you max out your annual ISA allowance on a "modest" income?

I suppose we all have a different idea of what a modest income is.

shuggles · 29/12/2024 03:49

@FiveShelties I suppose we all have a different idea of what a modest income is.

What are you talking about?

"Modest" would mean anything ranging from a little bit below average to a little bit above average.

Average salary in the UK is in the ballpark of £30k - £35k last time I checked. So let's say that "modest" means an income from £25k - £40k.

If we go for a higher "modest" salary of £40k, this would result in a take home pay of about £32k (this is subtracting income tax and national insurance only. Most people would be investing a few thousand £ into a pension pot annually.)

If you want to max out an annual ISA allowance of £20k, this means living on £12k annually, or £1k a month.

I don't care how frugal anyone claims to be- living on £1k a month is not feasible.

So I am telling you now that maxing out an ISA on a "modest" salary is not possible.

FiveShelties · 29/12/2024 04:51

@shuggles

I think it was obvious what I was talking about, but if you don't understand or just want to be rude then that is fine.

RubbishDay · 29/12/2024 06:09

Good luck everyone that has PBs.

I too think AM might be on the 31st given the bank holiday but given I never look on the high winners list my 'date' will be the 3rd.

AhBiscuits · 29/12/2024 07:34

I'm someone on a modest income and never had more than about 10k in savings total. I'll be inheriting 100k at some point this year, waiting for a house sale to go through, and am considering PB for the first time. I'll be spending about 50k on our house but thinking of spending the other 50k on PBs.
Following for now so I can see your winnings 😀

mauvish · 29/12/2024 07:44

I've checked, and my PB winnings this year equate to an interest rate of 3.1%, tax-free. So that's not bad.

DobbyTheHouseElk · 29/12/2024 08:11

I’ve had about £15 of PBS since 1977 and never won a penny. Probably need to reinvest them somehow.

PrioritisePleasure24 · 29/12/2024 08:43

@shuggles its almost like you’ve come here to start arguments…. This is a nice thread without that. Majority of us understand that other investments may work better dependant on circumstance . Many have those other investments/savings. Some of us just like the what if?!

You are not telling us anything we don’t know or are you adding anything useful to the thread apart from seemingly trying to wind people up or take digs at them.

ConversingWithStrangers · 29/12/2024 08:53

@DobbyTheHouseElk Reinvest £15 somehow?

EmotionalSupportPotato · 29/12/2024 08:55

Ooooog it's nearly time for the draw!!!!

Phase2 · 29/12/2024 08:58

My other savings are low £100s , I know PBs are far less likely to earn anything but I love the thrill in an otherwise quite challenging life (carer, disabled kid, tough job etc)

Ficklemind · 29/12/2024 09:14

Watching and waiting with interest, thanks for the thread and info Blondes

DustyLee123 · 29/12/2024 09:19

DobbyTheHouseElk · 29/12/2024 08:11

I’ve had about £15 of PBS since 1977 and never won a penny. Probably need to reinvest them somehow.

I was the same. I had £6 for over 50 years and never won a penny. I put £2K that I was given, and then won £50, but that’s it, no more. I’ll leave it in this draw, then think about moving it to an ISA.
But if you’ve still got your old holders number it’s worth putting £25 in to get an up to date number. I think that’s what helped me.

JollyHostess101 · 29/12/2024 09:30

@Bimblesalong hope you get a knock from AM and wishing you all the best for the new year!!

Good luck everyone!

SimplyTheGuest · 29/12/2024 09:46

I bought £100 pb 30 years ago, I couldn't really afford it but wanted to get in on the "excitement". I have never won a penny! 🤦‍♀️😅

paranoidnamechanger · 29/12/2024 10:00

Phase2 · 29/12/2024 08:58

My other savings are low £100s , I know PBs are far less likely to earn anything but I love the thrill in an otherwise quite challenging life (carer, disabled kid, tough job etc)

I can strongly relate. Any opportunity I get to have some fun I take. I religiously scrutinise the HVW list every month so I know the chance of winning big on a holding of less than £30K is teeny tiny, but I’d rather have the chance than guaranteed interest every month.

Phase2 · 29/12/2024 11:06

@paranoidnamechanger ah thank you, and good luck to you for finding some fun this coming year

LatteLady · 29/12/2024 13:12

I just want to say, what a lovely thread this is... Like @AhBiscuits I also inherited just over £100K earlier this year and am using the PBs as a little bit of fun... Although I will admit to leaving it in my current account for a couple of months, purely for the thrill of seeing a big number sitting there! I am not in the draw this time around, but wish everyone, every success in the coming year.

I seem to remember a number of years ago when a radio programme was talking about debt restructuring and the person that they were talking to said that they usually factored in a couple of quid each week for the National Lottery as no one should have hope taken away from them, no matter how dire their circumstances.

PremiumPrizesPlease · 29/12/2024 13:17

I really like this thread too and while I'm very happy to get advice (and even asked for some) I'm like the rest of you - it's just a fun and nice flutter! I would love to win enough to get a camper van and do some home improvements without worrying that's my dream!

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