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Inheritance protected so that benefits can still be claimed

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JustACountryMusicGirlInCowboyBoots · 04/10/2023 09:01

Can inheritance of around £200,000 be somehow protected so that benefits can still be claimed if provision is made in a will to hold that inheritance in some kind of trust? The claimant will never work for various reasons.

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Livelovebehappy · 04/10/2023 09:22

Thewizardbinbag · 04/10/2023 09:14

You really think it is amoral for someone with life long conditions (disabled etc) who cannot work to be able to have a trust set up to ensure they are cared for without losing their only income?

In this country, we provide for disabled people who cannot work. But what we provide is the bare minimum and they live in poverty. Do you really want to take that away from someone who cannot work due to disability because they’ve been given some inheritance, which could actually improve their quality of life, pay for care, provide them a home suitable for their needs?

The nazis just killed disabled people. Would you prefer that? Just get rid of them so we don’t have to bother paying to keep them fed and housed and clothed. Maybe that would be more moral?

Some people cannot work due to conditions they cannot control. We do not abandon them. We support them, as any civilised society should. That is their only income; that’s all they can ever earn. They’ll never have security or savings or the money to enjoy life sometimes, not because they’re lazy but because they are not capable of earning money on their own. If their parents have managed to earn enough to leave them something; then why would you want to remove their only income rather than just letting them have a bit more comfort and a bit of security?

But they can live off and enjoy the £200k once received. If they need to use a chunk to live off, but also pay out for treats and enjoyment, they can do so. Then once the money has gone, they can go back on benefits?

Thewizardbinbag · 04/10/2023 09:22

Houseplanter · 04/10/2023 09:19

IF the benefits in questions were DLA or other non means tested then the problem of losing benefits wouldn't exist. So it was pretty clear from the OP that it was dubious.

OP has clarified this further on.

So do calm down

People on benefits due to being disabled receive means tested and non means tested benefits. They shouldn’t lose either because of an inheritance. Neither should a carer. For all the reasons in my previous comments.

If a trust can avoid them losing any benefits then it is absolutely the right thing to do. It isn’t dubious or fraud or anything nefarious. It’s ensuring they don’t lose their only income, which often leaves them living in poverty anyway, so they can have a safety net and a little bit extra money to bring them out of poverty.

autiebooklover · 04/10/2023 09:22

Anyotherdude · 04/10/2023 09:20

OP, if the Dad is claiming Carers allowance, he can still do that, inheritance or not. Carers allowance is not means tested…

Carers is means tested pip and dla isn't

JustACountryMusicGirlInCowboyBoots · 04/10/2023 09:23

I think carers should get a lot more than they do. The living wage would be a start! Carers allowance works out as about £2 an hour. It's disgusting. I know that UC is not available with £16k so was interested in how my op works. The man would be much better off using his inheritance though. That's what doesn't make sense to.

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Thewizardbinbag · 04/10/2023 09:24

Livelovebehappy · 04/10/2023 09:22

But they can live off and enjoy the £200k once received. If they need to use a chunk to live off, but also pay out for treats and enjoyment, they can do so. Then once the money has gone, they can go back on benefits?

So go back into poverty? That’s what you want? Rather than being able to use the inheritance to top up what they have for quite a long time and also be allowed to keep a safety net.

autiebooklover · 04/10/2023 09:24

I don't fully understand is this inheritance for the disabled person or carer?

Justifiedcheese · 04/10/2023 09:24

Anyotherdude · 04/10/2023 09:20

OP, if the Dad is claiming Carers allowance, he can still do that, inheritance or not. Carers allowance is not means tested…

Carer's allowance stops being paid at retirement age.

Spendonsend · 04/10/2023 09:26

My aunties house is in a trust, when she dies a specific disability charity can the do what it likes with it, but she has the benefit of it until then. She is paraplegic with learning difficulties, and is partially deaf. She then has the appropriate benefits for day to day life.

Secondwindplease · 04/10/2023 09:26

Thewizardbinbag · 04/10/2023 09:22

People on benefits due to being disabled receive means tested and non means tested benefits. They shouldn’t lose either because of an inheritance. Neither should a carer. For all the reasons in my previous comments.

If a trust can avoid them losing any benefits then it is absolutely the right thing to do. It isn’t dubious or fraud or anything nefarious. It’s ensuring they don’t lose their only income, which often leaves them living in poverty anyway, so they can have a safety net and a little bit extra money to bring them out of poverty.

People on benefits due to being disabled receive means tested and non means tested benefits. They shouldn’t lose either because of an inheritance. Neither should a carer. For all the reasons in my previous comments.

Yes they should. They should lose the means tested benefits. Because they are means tested. Obviously.

Lougle · 04/10/2023 09:27

Justifiedcheese · 04/10/2023 09:24

Carer's allowance stops being paid at retirement age.

It does, but if there is an underlying entitlement there is an uplift to pension credit.

@JustACountryMusicGirlInCowboyBoots I don't think a carer's inheritance can be left in trust. Disabled Discretionary Trusts require the person to be disabled. Discretionary Trusts need a group of beneficiaries, I think. He would need to see a solicitor because he could be seen as intentionally depriving himself of benefits.

Secondwindplease · 04/10/2023 09:29

Spendonsend · 04/10/2023 09:26

My aunties house is in a trust, when she dies a specific disability charity can the do what it likes with it, but she has the benefit of it until then. She is paraplegic with learning difficulties, and is partially deaf. She then has the appropriate benefits for day to day life.

This is a lovely arrangement. It utilises a trust so benefits aren’t affected, but the compromise is that the house is then a legacy for the charity to use - hopefully to help someone else in need.

Riverlee · 04/10/2023 09:30

So the inheritance is for the dad, who has no special needs, not the dependent son.

In that case, surely he would be expected to live of this pot of money , not the benefits.

Is He is asking whether he can ring fence this money to pay for the care for his son? I’ve got no idea. I guess he could gift some to his son, but you need proper legal/benefit experts for this.

loislovesstewie · 04/10/2023 09:30

I've just been thinking about this myself; I have 2 adult children with disabilities and currently am trying to ensure that they don't become homeless and that they don't fritter away any inheritance. It's NOT about cheating the system , but trying to save the state money by not relying on them for housing or care.

KeepTheTempo · 04/10/2023 09:30

Thewizardbinbag · 04/10/2023 09:24

So go back into poverty? That’s what you want? Rather than being able to use the inheritance to top up what they have for quite a long time and also be allowed to keep a safety net.

They could put the inheritance towards a house, for example, and still claim benefits, which could leave them much better off. Or as others said, it could be put in a trust - this is what we've done for our family member who needs lifelong care.

But you can surely see that as a country it's not sustainable to have some people gain large inheritances, keep them in the bank, and still claim full benefits while there are so many others in need, on waiting lists etc?

Secondwindplease · 04/10/2023 09:34

Thewizardbinbag · 04/10/2023 09:24

So go back into poverty? That’s what you want? Rather than being able to use the inheritance to top up what they have for quite a long time and also be allowed to keep a safety net.

Yes, I would like someone to live off the £200k they have in the bank and not still expect to receive means-tested benefits.

Non-means tested benefits that they receive for reasons unrelated to their financial circumstances - no problem.

Thewizardbinbag · 04/10/2023 09:38

KeepTheTempo · 04/10/2023 09:30

They could put the inheritance towards a house, for example, and still claim benefits, which could leave them much better off. Or as others said, it could be put in a trust - this is what we've done for our family member who needs lifelong care.

But you can surely see that as a country it's not sustainable to have some people gain large inheritances, keep them in the bank, and still claim full benefits while there are so many others in need, on waiting lists etc?

On waiting lists for what? There are no waiting lists for benefits. Giving allowances to those with disabilities and those who care for them does not cause anyone else to be left without. But it does leave them in poverty because the amounts given are so small. If an inheritance can be used as a top up then that’s a good thing. I just don’t think we should remove benefits from carers or disabled people once they go over £16k.
Im sure this dad wants to have some of that money set aside to leave to his son, so his son is cared for after he is gone. I think that’s a very legitimate reason to “sit on” some money rather than live off it.

Livelovebehappy · 04/10/2023 09:44

Thewizardbinbag · 04/10/2023 09:24

So go back into poverty? That’s what you want? Rather than being able to use the inheritance to top up what they have for quite a long time and also be allowed to keep a safety net.

Yes. And btw, we don’t know that this person is living in poverty whilst on benefits. That’s not always the case. As many people on benefits have said on these threads, they can live comfortably off benefits, depending on what lifestyle you have. There are many working people who also live in poverty. Particularly atm with the COL crisis.

Robinni · 04/10/2023 09:44

JustACountryMusicGirlInCowboyBoots · 04/10/2023 09:23

I think carers should get a lot more than they do. The living wage would be a start! Carers allowance works out as about £2 an hour. It's disgusting. I know that UC is not available with £16k so was interested in how my op works. The man would be much better off using his inheritance though. That's what doesn't make sense to.

Maybe he wants the money held in trust for the child after he’s dead.

200k isn’t a lot when you consider the costs of care without family help.

LakeTiticaca · 04/10/2023 09:44

Skyblue92 · 04/10/2023 09:13

This, my nan has done the same for my uncle who needs to live in supported housing due to his needs. His share of the inheritance wouldn’t last long enough to cover all the fees etc

it’s a shame that people on here didn’t bother to think before accusing deception etc.

If it had been made clear in the OP, which it wasn't, then the pps wouldn't have jumped to incorrect conclusions

CarterBeatsTheDevil · 04/10/2023 09:45

Thewizardbinbag · 04/10/2023 09:19

Family carers save this country millions and millions every year. They provide a role which we simply cannot fill; we don’t have enough trained caters to cover all the people who need it. Without family carers the country, and all those people who need help, would be abandoned; there would be deaths, starvation, neglect, extreme poverty. It would not be a world I want to live in.
Unpaid carers take on a role which we, as a society, desperately need them to keep doing because our government will not ensure enough care is available. Do you seriously think his carer’s allowance should be removed? Do you genuinely not think he has earned that? Do you not want to live in an country where we show even a little gratitude to the role people like him play? For the millions of pounds saved by him taking it on?

This in spades. People do not understand either the complexity of providing care to another person or the cost of it when provided professionally.

ginandtonicwithlimes · 04/10/2023 09:46

No idea. I am not sure if they would be able to claim UC with that amount. They might see it as "you have that money so use it".

JustACountryMusicGirlInCowboyBoots · 04/10/2023 09:47

I'm wondering now after reading what people are saying if he has misunderstood and the money is being held in trust for his adult son and not him. Otherwise it makes no sense. Or maybe the money will get released a set amount at a time.

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