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[MarchXX]

New fred!

That Sponlie business is a right mess. At the centre of it I believe is Messiah and also Messiah’s former super hun who is now in Monat (I was wondering if she was linked to @Ladyofthepond ’s friend being recruited - Monat is trying desperately to get a foothold in the UK). She isn’t in the UK much and Messiah and Mrs Messiah are overseas so they are safe as the last thing they need is the spotlight being turned on them. Mr Acti has shifted things to France strangely.

It seems that some of the bosses have coerced lowly bots into making accusations of stalking which aren’t true, especially when those same bots have corresponded with Ms S separately asking for support. The lowly bots are in the UK and likely to get into a lot of trouble if they reported things inaccurately. Lots of questions about the antics of the local constabulary at the time of her arrest. I am not sure if Ms S’s confidence is misplaced or not but I don’t think Messiah et al are going to be successful. It seems a huge waste of everyone’s time but the MLM overlords think they’ve got much more clout than they really have.

Presumably that’s what Nurse is receiving and what lets her hooked

This speaks volumes about how they have brought her up.

Doesn't it just, I bet Castle senior was always up the school speaking to the teachers and other parents over perceived slights against their precious DD, you see it all the time, it's a recipe for disaster because all it does is create entitled adults...

Talking of coaching pyramid schemes the one that’s been bothering me for a while is Belief Coding, started by a runner up on the Apprentice. Like all these things that call themselves a coaching organisation, they quickly strayed into therapeutic areas as that’s where the vulnerable can be found.

Coaching is the perfect fly by night product. Why have a dodgy shake or cosmetic that trading standards can go after when you can create a coaching or quasi-therapy product in an already unregulated area where the victims are going to keep quiet and blame themselves. I’ve seen some people asking for help from a belief coder for CSA and of course the answer is always “we can cure you if you follow the programme properly”. Money is never mentioned but the ex-Apprentice runner up is coining it in.

I actually know ms sponlie in real life! I’ll ask her what is happening.

I see castle has launched her planner! I clicked the link and scrolled through the photos. It's undated so no issue if they don't all sell out before Christmas plus no danger of putting the wrong dates on it 🤣🤣

@HouseofHolbein did you notice the price? I use a planner for personal stuff/admin that cost me £10.99 and hasn’t got any LoA bullshit or QR codes cluttering it up. Everything work related is electronic/online which I imagine is the case for most people with real employment these days. Who is going to buy her’s other than her dwindling band of groupies? Castle has to be the world’s worst advert for a planner.

£27. You have to look for a link because the one in the main body of her post doesn't work. So professional 🤣🤣

@HouseofHolbein l also wondered if Castle has paid one certain hobgoblin mate for the ridiculous otttt comment saying omg a million times on the planner post! It's just plain weird

do we believe she’s sold 250 of them in an hour??

@Spongebobette no way. Who knows the new planner exists? A few active followers who may comment “so exciting” without actually buying one.

It’s a very crowded marketplace, there are tons of planners available, much cheaper. She’s limited its market by adding all the LoA stuff but even among the bots of this world who fall for that stuff who will buy actually buy it? How will they even know about it? After all her reach is shrinking all the time with no chance of riding on the coattails of her FLP “success” as she did with the last planner, which still bombed. If she’s sold any at all it will be because she locked some of the most deluded in her house and got her parents to pay for a few bottles of Prosecco and guilted them into buying it. She’s an absolute joke.

The only individuals stupid enough to follow Castle have clearly smoked muchos crack dust. The simpering and ott omg omg you're simply amazing is beyond cringe. It's actually embarrassing. She's a joke

Castle has invited her “students to advertise their Black Friday offers on her FB feed. So far bots from Body Shop, FL and Herbalife have posted, another less popular MLM. Didn’t see Tropic or Younique though.
The rest are mindset wafflers and tat sellers. One rather disturbing entrepreneur is selling tiny baskets with life size models of foetuses at various stages of development. Obviously, aimed at people who have had miscarriages and want something to add to their shrine.
This may offend some people , and I’m very sorry in advance. I’ve had 5 miscarriages but I’m completely weirded out by these models priced at £18.99. I fully understand keeping scan photos and positive pregnancy tests but models of a 5 wk embryo which is basically a little pink piece of clay rolled into a ball😬

I am actually lost for words.

I'm sorry for your losses. That's shite. X

@dickiedavisthunderthighs they were years ago and like most non mumsnetters you just learn to accept it. I just wanted to make sure no one jumped on me for being insensitive.
I have a real issue with the drugs companies that produce pregnancy tests that detect positives before 6 weeks. They give the impression that miscarriage incidence is increasing. I don’t think it has changed and will never change. Miscarriage is natures way of sorting out healthy conceptions from unhealthy ones. Mine were due to a rare underlying endocrine problem. But we did get there in the end.
They also give too much hope that a miscarriage can be prevented. For a small number of women who have underlying hormone problems HRT can help ( progesterone ) but for the vast majority a miscarriage is just due to the embryo not developing normally.
I studied embryology as part of my degree course, how anyone conceives and carries to full term is a miracle. So many ways it can go wrong.
For someone to fleece women at such a vulnerable time is criminal.

Someone should recommend that yawn by a new planner from Castle 🤣🤣 yawns been properly called put on her so called part time hour work life. Apparently she is the sole earner for the entire family even though her son works full time, her husband works full time but she still insists the part time content creation vanity rubbish supports them all. The delusion is very real and ongoing

One of yawns minions has commented on our local fb page where someone is asking about working from home.
The very first post on the thread though was warning against mlms

The last 10 posts on Nurse’s FB business page have managed three “likes” in total with almost all posts having zero feedback, not even from her mother. On Insta it’s not much better as Insta says 9.93% of her followers like the published posts and 0.34% write a comment for posts. Most of the comments on her posts on FB are her writing @‘everyone.

What’s the betting she will be being told by her coach that if it’s not working then she’s got the wrong mindset and doesn’t want it enough? I wouldn’t be surprised if she disappears soon announcing that she is taking time out from taking time out for mental health reasons. This will be positioned as being good self care as a coach who understands these things, whereas it’s the whole coaching thing that will end up taking her to a very dark place.

Hmm. She's also not handled this horrific accident with the boys from Shrewsbury very well.

Mostly how upset he was with the cancelled light switch on. I think I'd have made it v clear ( for a youngster) why people are sad and its just not right. She's just feeding entitlement I suspect

@spanfan yes, it’s not really appropriate to bundle up her trivia with such a massive tragedy is it? The trouble with alluding to a tragedy on SM is which ever way you do it it’s very likely going to look like you’re making it all about you. Besides the private life of her DS isn’t a relevant subject to mention in her posts on what is supposed to be her “business” insta. The battle for content is more important than appropriateness every time.

We don’t need to know about her DS’s disappointment and we don’t need to hear mention of a tragedy involving the son’s of other people only for her to end the video with “all good today as Mini Nurse is happy again”. Oh well, that’s OK then.

Everything is seen through the lens of how it impacts on her and her son

Shes been charged with harassment not stalking. And to be fair when you publicly accuse people of arson you will get yourself into trouble. Not to mention the fake profiles used to record their zoom calls and publish them on Facebook.

Looks like Castle's been out spending her parents money again.

Another holiday "lodge" in a holiday park maybe?

Which reminds me, whatever happened to the last one. Also, didn't Uber buy one at some point ?

Just had a Black Friday email from Filofax. They are selling a lovely planner for £20.99 with an additional 30% off. The dated pages are fixed and the undated ones can be moved to suit your needs.

I don't need one but I admit to being tempted 🤣🤣 plus a lovely range of colours.

Seems much better value than castles offering...

Nurse trying to push her Black Friday sale again this morning....I wonder if she's had any many takers??

On Sunday she was going on about next week been a busy one but so far it seems to have consisted of:
Monday - grocery shopping and "loads" of her course
Tuesday - trip with her kids school then no time for work
Wednesday - bit of work in the morning then lunch and Christmas shopping with her mum
Thursday - reading at the kids school
Apparently this morning she's not feeling it, so I'm thinking she might have to give herself permission to have a self care/me day!

I often wonder how she ever coped when she was a nurse of the above is what she considers a busy week!!