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FWP - panicking about money and school fees

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Parttime1 · 08/04/2021 14:36

I know this is a first world problem but I wanted to get some outside opinions.

Sorry, this turned out really long.

My DH is pretty rubbish with money. He sticks his head in the sand, as long as there is money in the account he doesn't really care. I usually deal with finances and he doesn't really want to discuss this with me he just tells me everything will be ok.

We moved house last autumn, it's a lovely big house but I am slightly panicking that we didn't think things through and have moved as a knee- jerk reaction to lockdown and WFH etc. Our previous house was ok, needed a bit of work but was in a desirable area of London and sold quickly- I think we rushed into buying somewhere else. DH was the driving force behind moving because his job has become fully remote. I work 3 days a week, a mixture of at home and in the office in London.

We have moved out of London and have put our DC in private school (they are 6&4) mainly because we couldn't get state places organised in time but now we love the school they are in and so it is unlikely we will move them in the near future (plus 3rd school in 2yrs for DC?). Their names are down at our preferred state school just in case but last time I checked they had gone down the list, not up!

I am worried we have bitten off more than we can chew. Previously we had a small mortgage (£600 a month but we overpaid a few hundred each month) and childcare fees/ tutoring of £500 a month. Now we have school fees of £28k a year and a mortgage of £1,300 a month.

DH didn't get his bonus (which he usually does, it is contractual but there is a force majeure clause which his company activated despite their annual profits not being affected by Covid) which means we cannot save as much as we would like (we do not rely on it for living expenses but there were a few things we needed/ would like for the house which we will need to wait for now).

Our monthly net income is £9k - previously we saved about £2.5k into pensions and for moving/ renovation (my pension is poor but my DH has a decent amount put in by his company), DC went to a state school but the remote learning was basically zero so we topped up with tutors and we then changed to private school when we moved, until last August DD was at a private nursery costing £1,300 a month. Then we spent about £4k on bills and everything else.

I think lockdown made us feel richer than we actually are.

For the first couple of months we had additional moving expenses - all new uniform for DC, changing locks, having the alarm system updated, fencing repairs, some redecorating costs (paint is so much more expensive than I had realised!) and a couple of bits of additional furniture (this house is twice the size of our old one), new pans because the ones we had didn't work on an induction hob etc. The garden is massive so we still need a ride on lawnmower, oil powered heating which needed topping up when we moved in and will probably need a top up again soon(ouch!). It goes on...

Things have kind of settled down now but still I think we are going to find things a little tight which seems ridiculous.

Income: £9k
Outgoings:
£1,300 mortgage

£2,500 school fees (we have paid the remainder of this year's and so want to start saving for next and uniform costs and other extras)

£1,500 bills and food (our food bill seems ridiculous atm, this includes all essentials - council tax, water, oil, electricity, car tax, MOT, petrol (we drive a lot more), insurances, tv and internet, private dental (because we have never managed to get an nhs dentist).

£1,000 spending money - this includes things like clothes and shoes (I set aside £200 a month for all of us, it doesn't seem to go far and DH barely spends any of it), Christmas, birthdays - I set aside £100 a month for Christmas expenses (parties, extra food, clothes, presents for our large families) and £50 a month for birthdays - presents for us, friends and DC's party), DC activities (£200 a month, usually paid termly though so probably a little less), socialising (not much recently but perhaps £200 a month before?), my commuting costs (which are now £30 a day as it isn't feasible to buy a season ticket for ad hoc days, I probably do 5/6 days a month in the office, I paid £100 a month before) and £100 each to DH and me for small spends (for coffees/ bits for hobbies, my makeup etc) - this expenditure has been low during lockdown and we have been saving most of this/ spending it on the house but already things are creeping back - music/dance / swimming lessons starting up again, we all needed new shoes/ trainers and all booked in for haircuts next week etc. I don't know if it just because everything is coming up at once? I also feel like a lot of the DC's activities are costing more here - not much, maybe £1 a session but they do three things a week each so it adds up.

£1,000 pension and ISAs/ JISAs (I get the bare minimum through work so put an extra £600 in, £100 a month into each of our JISA and ISA) for longterm savings

£700 for holidays and holiday childcare (our holidays are usually £6k ish a year (less this year because we are staying in the U.K.) and then holiday clubs another £2k or so depending on what they do

£1000 - top up rainy day fund, car fund (our car is 10yrs old and will need to be replaced in the next couple of years, we might even need a second car) and to put towards some things we need and would like to do to the house - like I say, the house is big and has about 1 acre garden - nothing is immediately required and the kitchen and bathrooms are new. We didn't do much to our old house (because we planned to renovate) and so I would really like to keep on top of maintenance in this one as I know how things can easily slip if not kept on top of. Our rainy day fund (£15k) is down to less than 3 month's expenses which I know is more than some but we always had a decent buffer - I want to get this up to 6 months ideally. We do still have money in our ISA's too but this is supposed to be for the future - university, retirement etc. But I suppose if necessary we do have them there to dip into.

I tentatively plan to return to work FT - DH is not that supportive as it is generally me who does all the dropping and collecting of DC, housework and cooking - he likes the status quo Hmm but even then after deducting additional childcare costs and travel it would be about an extra £500 a month coming in - and some of that would have to go on a cleaner.

I guess I am just panicking about all the outlay after a few years of saving pretty hard.

Our original intention was to do up our old house - add an extension and loft conversion, it was when we got the quotes that we decided we may as well spend the money we had saved (£100k) and extend the mortgage (quotes were £250k + for our London house, it would have been a big job and so we would have moved out and rented somewhere for a few months too) for an already bigger house out of London. Then there was the stamp duty, agents fees etc - we have spent most of our savings and increased the mortgage. Our mortgage is £250,000 but we kept the term of our original mortgage, 18 years.

School - we were not happy with our DS's old school, even before lockdown and were thinking about private schools then. I distinctly remember sitting down and working out all the costs and it all seemed fine - but then moving has drained our reserves and everything just seems more expensive. Council tax is £350 a month. Water £50, electricity £80, oil - we just spent over £1k and I don't really know how long that will last. Food - I'll admit I have been buying more convenience food as I have been busy working, homeschooling and sorting out the new house but we are spending over £600 a month at the moment.

Then there was the kick in the teeth with DH's bonus - it is usually £25k after tax and we usually squirrel it away either in pensions and ISA's so I don't know why it is worrying me that we don't have it this year. I think it wasn't paid because the company claimed furlough money for other employees and it would seem wrong to give a bonus and payrises (even though their profits remained pretty unchanged).

Do you think this is all manageable? The house overwhelms me at the moment - everywhere I look there seems to be something needed to be done (lots of small jobs that we can do ourselves and also bigger things that worry me - it has a huge roof and although the survey said it was ok, if that needed doing it would be £30k at least). I feel like I knew our old house inside out and could forget about the small jobs, it feels different now.

School feels like such a massive commitment but DC love it there - I would gladly give up other things to keep them there (DS's first school just was not the right place for him and he is a different boy here even after a few weeks) but then the fee increase letter came through with the bills for next term and I got in a panic (4% increase when I had planned for 5% so I have no idea why it made me anxious).

Our jobs are pretty secure, I do not maximise my earning potential at all - I have been plodding along in the same old job for 10 years with one pay rise in all that time, DH could probably earn more too but he likes his current job and loves WFH.

Would you worry at this level of expenditure with our income?

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UserTwice · 08/04/2021 14:46

In the nicest possible way. No.

Look at your list of expenditure.

Then highlight all the things that are actually essential (mortgage, food, utility bills etc). Look at how much money you have left that you can choose to spend or not.

You have a huge amount of disposable income that you are using the fund a certain lifestyle. Your question perhaps should be "can we sustain this lifestyle on our income" but even then it looks like you have lots of slack. You are so far away from the worrying stage that I'm amazed you can even see it.

LooseThreads · 08/04/2021 14:51

Yes, I'd be worried! Shock

Before you moved and had school fees you had a lot of disposable income and you haven't readjusted your spending accordingly.

You need to trawl through your outgoings together.

Small children are cheap as chips compared to bigger children.

Chihuahuacat · 08/04/2021 14:53

You earn £9k net with what I would say is quite a small mortgage. New graduates will be paying about £700 a month in rent in London on a fraction of that take home.

Yes the school fees are high but you have so much you could cut back on if you really needed to.

You’ve got holidays, birthdays, savings all budgeted for - what else do you need?

TheAuthorityofJackieWeaver · 08/04/2021 15:02

No, I wouldn’t be worried. You save a lot, and you are obviously used to and comforted by large savings pots to the extent you’ve started to think about them as essentials/must haves. You have two large savings pots, plus mini pots that pay for Christmas, birthday etc.

Your actual essentials - mortgage, school fees, food, utilities, child care and commuting, are absolutely more than covered, and you have plenty of headroom should you need it.

Savings are brilliant and sensible, but of course moving will wipe them out to some degree. That’s what they are for! To spend when needed, like when you move house. Ideally you leave a bit in for total emergencies (as you have), get your house how you want it then build them up again.

I wouldn’t be at all worried, and in fact I would loosen the reins a bit and live for today. You can pause the university and retirement savings for six months and get your new place exactly as you want it, and enjoy your life now.

Antiqueanniesmagiclanternshow · 08/04/2021 15:05
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Parttime1 · 08/04/2021 15:07

@loosethreads I think that's it - a year ago we spent half of our income and now it seems it all goes.... somewhere. I don't think we had the balance right then either as we saved too much and let our house get pretty run down.

I think not spending anything for most of last year lulled us into a false sense of security and now the payments are ramping up again (DS had a birthday party at go ape type thing this week - he had no decent trainers to wear so I bought a new pair and we had to buy a card and present etc - it was £50 altogether - I have barely spent that in a week for a year!). Before I could spend without really thinking, although I have always had separate pots for things, the amounts haven't changed for a long time and there was always slack to spend more.

I hate seeing our savings so depleted and before there would always be some money coming in the near future to top it up again, I don't feel that at the moment.

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Mosaic123 · 08/04/2021 15:10

You are OK. Everything in the house does not have to be done immediately and you have a new kitchen. Don't worry about a roof that isn't even giving any trouble. And you don't have to spend 6k on holidays. You won't be going on longhaul holidays anytime soon.

Parttime1 · 08/04/2021 15:18

@Mosaic123 - oh, I know, I just spent the rest of the holiday fund on the school fees. We are going to an apartment in Devon (hopefully!) which was still pretty expensive for what it is but it feels that everything is getting more expensive (I priced up a trip to Tenerife for next Easter recently Shock )and our budget is staying the same.

Plus I worry about the DC getting more expensive... expectations being higher because they are at private school and so on.

I slightly regret moving even though I love the new house and the new area because we were comfortable before. I could have quit work tomorrow if I wanted to but now we actually need my income to keep the wheels turning.

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Babyroobs · 08/04/2021 15:28

Tutoring for 4 & 6 year olds ??

Babyroobs · 08/04/2021 15:29

@Antiqueanniesmagiclanternshow

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SwimBaby · 08/04/2021 15:30

I think you’ll be fine. You could go on cheaper but still nice holidays, maybe cut down on children’s activities as the school may offer some of them. If a state school place does come up then you’d have that option.
What are the secondary school options in your new area?

Oddbutnotodd · 08/04/2021 15:33

I think if you add up your essential spending including school fees you have plenty of money left over. Ok you may need to reduce some of your other pots for a while. A 10 year old car is hardly a big deal. My last car which I had from new lasted me 16 years and could have kept going for longer.
You say you could spend without thinking before; that’s where a lot of money goes. Just be grateful you have managed to move to a big house and just do things gradually.
Your children also needn’t stay in the private sector long term.
As for food etc a lot of people have spent more in lockdown but that can be reduced again.
Give yourself time to adjust and don’t panic. You are in a very fortunate position financially even if you don’t realise it right now.

NoSquirrels · 08/04/2021 15:40

Of your £9,000 per month take home you are allocating £2,500 to savings & holidays every month.

You’re fine!

Yea, it’s a big increase in expenditure if you’ve doubled your mortgage and added 2x school fees. So I would see it that you’re working for the school fees and that decision has been traded off against the opportunity to quit working. But you say you like your job and so that’s not a problem, really.

Parttime1 · 08/04/2021 15:40

@Babyroobs for my 6 year old, yr 1, he could barely read or write last April. He wouldn't sit down with me to do it but would with a tutor and so we paid for one 5hrs a week for 3 months from June and he has come on in leaps and bounds. His old school told me he was at the "expected" level which was clearly untrue.
I do not regret it.

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Parttime1 · 08/04/2021 15:43

@SwimBaby we are in a grammar area which is great if you can get your child through the 11 plus but pretty bad if you don't.
We would aim for grammar but stick to private if not.

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moochingtothepub · 08/04/2021 15:49

You are fine, just save a bit less. Holiday clubs etc are only an expense when they are small, have cheaper holidays to compensate. We earned £6k a month net and had plenty to put into savings even with teens (not private school). With holidays you can do pretty adventurous things if creative on a £3k budget

Parttime1 · 08/04/2021 15:57

@NoSquirrels yes, you are right but I only really see £1k as true "savings" as the rest is earmarked to be spent in the near future.

@Oddbutnotodd the car is fine, I am not precious about them but I do wonder if we will need another. At the moment I use it for the school run and then to drive to the station if I am going into the office - DH doesn't really leave the house! However, if I start working FT I may need to commute every day and I will need DH to pick up some slack with the school run which will require another car (probably something cheap to do the station run but it is all the other costs).

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Mn753 · 08/04/2021 16:10

I know this is mumsnet but a 50k bonus every year! If you guys can't afford school fees then the independent sector is going under

Mn753 · 08/04/2021 16:12

Also I love that you have one old car. 2x new cars are so nouveau riche

Parttime1 · 08/04/2021 16:23

@Mn753 I'm not convinced we can afford it... fees go up between 3-5% each year, my pay certainly doesn't and bonuses aren't always paid (like this year).
It's about £45k bonus - it is supposed to be guaranteed if certain targets are met (and they have been for the last 15 years) but like many they are using Covid as an excuse not to pay. Fortunately we don't need it to live but others at DH's work definitely do, they count on it arriving each year.

It's precarious and I don't like it, especially as it seems we have chosen this. It feels like I have been sleepwalking this past year.

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PotteringAlong · 08/04/2021 16:29

But also, you need to work out what you actually need to spend £50 on new trainers and a card and present for a birthday party is ridiculous. No one needs new trainers just to go to go ape and what happened to a card and a £5 present? You could have saved £45 right there.

Parttime1 · 08/04/2021 16:31

@Mn753 I don't really understand the comment about the car? We lived in London and didn't use the car much, it is 10yrs old and has less than 50,000 miles on the clock. It's a nice car though, not some old banger!

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SwimBaby · 08/04/2021 16:35

Your old fixed outgoings were incredibly low compared to your income.
What was your 5/10 year plan if it wasn’t the pandemic?
I think how you feel is quite normal (but in a more scaled back way) for many families when they upgrade to their family home that will be their home where the DC will grow up.

Parttime1 · 08/04/2021 16:38

@PotteringAlong DS needed new trainers, his old pair have a hole in, the party just speeded up the decision, they were £35. Card, present and wrapping paper were £13 from Sainsbury's- is that extravagant? Presents used to range from £10-£20 in DS's old school and I don't really know the norm at the new one. At least there are only 15 in his class now.

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Northernsoullover · 08/04/2021 16:38

I do love these threads. I could be snarky and say that you live a lifestyle most other people could dream of. But I won't.