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Bot Watch 50 - watching the mighty fall.

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Whiterangey · 11/05/2019 13:54

Its forever living's global rally. Watching the top bots collect greatly reduced cheques.

Remember to always check companies house to check if someone in your upline is really earning what they say.

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jonrotten · 11/05/2019 20:36

@fromdownwest wow. You wouldn’t be the brightest spark to live like that would you? You can never assume anything.

Whiterangey · 11/05/2019 20:38

Roomie had been a forever bot from at least 2015. She really should know I'm 4 years she isn't going to be successful.

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ClubSandwich · 11/05/2019 20:43

Noticed that the photo comment on Yawn’s business page has been removed. If it was posted by someone on this thread, I salute you Grin

ElektraLOL · 11/05/2019 20:43

I know Roomie. She is quite likeable in person but I don't really understand her. So I can fully believe that she had an abusive childhood. She says dubious stuff like 'I joined forever because I'm a mum of 6 and I couldn't afford to put food on the table' but what she doesn't say is that the reason for that was because she had at least 4 children in expensive private schools.

I believe she was one of Yawn's downline. Yawn tried to recruit me in 2008 - luckily I saw through it.

Twentytwentyhindsight · 11/05/2019 20:52

@jonrotten - They are also taught that the most effective way of attracting the constant stream of new recruits they need is through "attraction marketing", i.e. projecting as successful and desirable a lifestyle as possible.

This usually means displaying expensive purchases, from cars through designer fashion items to houses and holidays.

Since they think the good times will keep on rolling, they think that by spending big, they are killing two birds with one stone: satisfying their shallow instant gratification cravings and 'building their biznis'. Taking out large director's loans from their limited companies appears to be the easiest way to do this (thinking it can be paid off from their 'guaranteed bonus').

So when the gravy train hits the buffers, they find that their use of their previous wealth was not the most prudent, leaving them exposed to some very nasty fiscal situations...

Norma27 · 11/05/2019 21:00

Receipt bots latest live just shows how brainwashed they are. I had to turn it off.

I agree with whoever said forever shite isn’t trendy now. The only 2 getting huge cheques are someone I was friends with but is now middle aged like me. And bloodsucker who is god knows how old!

Jonsey32 · 11/05/2019 21:00

I started following these threads in early 2016 when I was on maternity leave after doing some research after a “friend” tried to get me in to FL. she kept sending me videos of castle as some sort of incentive.
Castle was at the top of her game at the time and had got there incredibly quickly - literallynwithin 2 years I think, and that was what I just couldn’t buy. I convinced myself that she was being used as some sort of poster girl nd was being paid by the company- as even the Uber’s took a lot longer to get to the big money.
Now I don’t understand. It almost seems like castle has been thrown under the bus while the Uber’s and bloodsuckers are riding high..
I just don’t know what really goes on behind the scenes or did castle literally get lucky for a couple of years and now reality is kicking in?

jonrotten · 11/05/2019 21:06

@twentytwentyhindsight it’s just madness and I cannot believe they can’t see that. At least when I was doing Cambridge the only thing we were told to lie about was weight loss.

Spongebobette · 11/05/2019 21:18

Castle’s videos have disappeared now but I remember her saying things like she never mentioned the company, it was all about her lifestyle (attraction marketing)
She rented a ‘castle’ and pretended she owned it and had bought it with her income from FL
She did eventually buy a nice house, presumable the years with big bonus cheques helped with that but she was also spending a lot of money so I imagine she’s got a hefty mortgage
She probably thought the money would keep rolling in

Twentytwentyhindsight · 11/05/2019 21:19

Yes, Castle was paraded as part of a new generation of social media age superstars that would ensure the continued growth of FLP by making it attractive to a younger generation,

I am sure she was 'helped' to the top in various ways (was it not FLP who paid the rent on the eponymous 'castle' she claimed to have bought).

I'm sure that her assisted rise was probably resented by a few of the FLP 'old guard' who saw her as an upstart who had not had to put in the hard slog over many years. This was probably not helped by her brashness and the way her and her siblings seemed to believe that they were minor celebrities in their own right, and expected to be treated as such (possibly failing to show Rexy the due reverence expected).

The thing about a rapid rise is that it is unlikely to be built on solid foundations, so when the going gets tough, the fall can be equally swift.

Those who felt their toes had been trodden in when she was on her way up will secretly be enjoying this.

Twentytwentyhindsight · 11/05/2019 21:20

she and her siblings

Jonsey32 · 11/05/2019 21:27

The rise almost seemed too quick for someone who was a police officer who had never been involved with it before. I just always assumed there had been an almighty leg up along the way.
To be honest her cheque last year and even more so this year surprised me.
Imagine thinking you’stumbled across something so amazing and surely it could only get better..... to actually seeing it crumble is spectacular style. When you’ve lived a £400k plus bonus lifestyle for a few years £43k is pocket change surely ....

yorkshirepud44 · 11/05/2019 21:41

Nurse is still all excited by the cheques and merrily recruiting on Uber's Facebook thread Shock

It will be interesting to see how this all pans out and who's still standing at the next rally.

Whiterangey · 11/05/2019 21:46

I agree with the comments about castle. She is no longer part of the in crowd. Part off that will also be that she isn't bringing in the money. Social media is good for getting new recruits but to brainwash them and your existing recruits you need to work on them in person. Hard to do that in another country.

Plus she let herself go, FLP prefer the people who they use to be thin and looking good, which sucks but so do FLP.

She is also an entitled cow who I imagine is rude to waiters and will ask to speak to your manager. FLP like their top bots to worship them, not expect it to be the other way round.

Look at her behaviour and that of jet siblings when they rented that house. That would reflect badly on FLP if that ended up in the papers with forever mentioned.

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Twentytwentyhindsight · 11/05/2019 21:50

The fall of each senior bot may have its own particularities, but the fundamental cause remains the same. FLP's rapid growth a few years ago led to the inevitable saturation, which all MLMs encounter - ironically, the more successful they are, the quicker this tipping point comes.

Essentially, there are no longer enough potential recruits to replace those leaving. This is not only a mathematical population thing, but ever more people also know people who have been burnt by FLP, or come across anti-MLM forums such as this one, or see something like the BBC documentary.

When a normal business is confronted by a saturated market, they scale back, lower production, close a few outlets, etc. The MLM model is predicated on continual headlong growth. When this is no longer happening, the whole edifice crumbles.

Those at the very top of the pyramid, those closest to the real owners of the company, who have played a long-term role in its strategic operations, will be afforded a measure of protection, partly so they stay onside and don't make any damaging revelations, partly because keeping a couple of 'headline' top earners will hopefully help slow the decline by convincing some of the dwindling pool of existing and potential bots that it is still possible to attain riches.

What those top bots will find out is that the mathematical laws at work will win in the end, and it is the owners, not them, who call the shots. They are also ultimately disposable when they become too expensive relative to the money being made.

This will not really be of too much concern for Bloodsucker and Uber, as they will have made more than enough to actually be minted and/or have diversified into new markets early.

The likes of Castle, Yawn, their respective BFFs, Lanza, PhD, Insolvency, Homeschool & Co are finding out the hard way that it was never their company.

Norma27 · 11/05/2019 21:52

I agree whiterangey. I know I am a broken record about uber but to be fair she would schmooze her way into vip areas etc when we were younger by being nice to people when necessary. She probably learnt from that.

Castle and her family are very much 'do you know who I am' and act like arseholes to everyone. I despise uber but she knows how to play the long game unlike castle.

ClubSandwich · 11/05/2019 21:55

Wow Nurse’s comments on Uber’s post - she sounds so desperate

Spongebobette · 11/05/2019 21:55

Great post 2020

We can see why the top shills have been protected straight away in Nurse’s comments on Uber’s page; she’s using the big cheque to draw in a friend who had been dazzled by the amount

Teddy1970 · 11/05/2019 22:07

Any shred of sympathy I had for Nurse (which wasn't much I hasten to add) has gone, harrassing that woman to join her team is disgraceful.

Spongebobette · 11/05/2019 22:09

I’m afraid I have lost any sympathy I had

Underhiseye2 · 11/05/2019 22:20

I thought I had got nurse then but now I'm not so sure. Surname is a shape??

ElektraLOL · 11/05/2019 22:25

When I look on Uber's FB it all seems set to private. Does she have two?

Whiterangey · 11/05/2019 22:27

Surname is a famous rock star whose wife was a panel member on x factor. They had their own reality TV show.

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thetemptationofchocolate · 11/05/2019 22:31

I was thinking of a biscuit for the surname, not that I'm a greedy sod, oh no :)

thetemptationofchocolate · 11/05/2019 22:34

What those top bots will find out is that the mathematical laws at work will win in the end, and it is the owners, not them, who call the shots. They are also ultimately disposable when they become too expensive relative to the money being made.

Yes, twentytwenty, and this did happen with some of the top bots in Amway, some years ago. They were hung out to dry by the company and booted out. Even for the bots at the top of the pyramid, it is NOT their own business.

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