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MLM Bot Watch 40 - Forever Living is 40! Yet still 99% of people in all MLM's lose money

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Whiterangey · 29/05/2018 12:27

Not making money with Forever Living?

Not making money with any MLM?

How to make money with Forever Living?
How to make money with MLM?

Maybe this report done for the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) by Jon M. Taylor, MBA, Ph.D., of the Consumer Awareness Institute may have the reason why.

www.ftc.gov/sites/default/files/documents/public_comments/trade-regulation-rule-disclosure-requirements-and-prohibitions-concerning-business-opportunities-ftc.r511993-00008%C2%A0/00008-57281.pdf

When someone urges you to join an MLM in their downline with tales of the riches you can earn, all they are trying to do is use you to earn themselves more money. They know the stats, they know you won't make money and you will lose money, and friends.

They will lovebomb you, be your best friend, be all over you and then drop you like a stone.

Look at the person who is your uplines facebook. See how the people who were tagged in her statuses a year ago the same way you are tagged now are doing. Are they still with the company? Many won't be. Those who are will still not be doing well, exactly the same as a year ago, or two years ago.

If you are in Forever living, check facebook for the global rally cheques of your upline, notice how they have been going down year on year? The market reached saturation point in 2015, it's downhill since then and things will get worse, not better.

Most MLM's in the UK are at the same point, we are not a huge country and MLM's have reached saturation point.

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TrippleFlappyDiamondSparrow · 08/06/2018 11:44

I'm sure Salon went to purchase a luxury home in cheshire but was refused the mortgage last year. That may just be a rumour, but the way she spends money I doubt there is little of that inheritance left. Hubby does not work, and if all she earned was 34k last year well (that would be the whole household income if hubster doesn't work don't forget) no mortgage lender is going to touch her for a sizeable expensive house... lets not even talk about her employment history, that certainly does not look stable! Her current house is mortgage free apparently, so I suppose it is sensible she stays there. A bit tight though if with 3 kids and a 4th on the way. Oh well, who cares if the kids have there own rooms, as long as we get the quarterly Louboutin delivery.

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ArbunneHun · 08/06/2018 12:22

Wig today is shamelessly joining the bloodsucking scammers trying to recruit on the back of the awful House of Fraser closure news. Utterly vile.

Look a bit deeper into some of her replies to comments on recent posts and you’ll find her admitting that she has been “burnt many times” by her involvement in crypto scam after crypto scam. And yet she is still pushing these schemes, still claiming this one is (once again) THE ONE. The big opportunity that will make her rich.

Does she not know how stupid/corrupt she and her cohorts look? When you know you know MY ARSE.

Whiterangey · 08/06/2018 14:59

@ArbunneHun They do appear to have stopped the Vlogging.

They have such a high opinion of themselves that they thought they were going to be the next internet sensation and have millions of followers on youtube and be making 7 figures a year from that.

Unfortunately it's truly unwatchable by anyone other than their downlines because it's absolute rubbish. They really were truly atrocious and just served as a vehicle for their egos.

They are full of themselves and it showed in the videos and it was all so boring. Nobody knows you and nobody cares about what your family or kids are doing, they don't care at all.

You need to be relatable and watchable to go viral and get a loyal following in the Vlogging world.

Ladbaby is a good example. He's funny, does crazy things and his wife's reactions are very watchable. The kid is also cute. The first one of his videos I saw that went viral was when he cut the kitchen door in half instead of a stair gate. That was funny, he seems like someone you could talk to, as does his wife. You'd also recognise them if you saw them out.

The castle siblings just don't look special, there is nothing special about them and they haven't got the x-factor for want of a better word. Castle and her sister are so full of botox that they don't have enough expressions for video, you need to express a full range of emotions and they can't. They have really had a lot, overkill, and I can't understand why when a little would have been a lot better.

They may be 'famous' within the FLP UK world, but that world is getting smaller and smaller. They think they are important but they really aren't. More people despise them than not, given all the ex-bots they will have screwed over and pissed off.

If their vlogging had taken off and they had become internet famous what they have done to other people would have been shared everywhere and they would have fallen hard.

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ArbunneHun · 08/06/2018 15:26

Within their little FLP world, the Castle Siblings are indeed treated like little gods. Their egos are such that they honestly thought that would translate into the real world.

I’m pretty sure that they paid for a videographer/editor to make it all look good too.

Reality bites.

Norma27 · 08/06/2018 16:28

Apparently House of Fraser Oxford st closing proves that mlm is the way forward and that nuskin is the best company. Really??!!
The best status was ‘this will never happen to us!’.

rainbowfudgee · 08/06/2018 16:44

Any links to castle famalam youtube vids please?

Whiterangey · 08/06/2018 18:02

If you go to her facebook page there are some links to her other facebook pages. I think it's the last one will take you to the facebook page where you will be able to access the youtube links.

They are very cringe inducing and embarrassing, and boring, very very boring.

They must have seen one of the successful vlogging channels on youtube and thought they could do that and as they already had a base who would watch the videos they would get big and go viral very quickly.

They even have put clickbait titles on them.

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Tupperwarelid · 08/06/2018 18:15

They are not full of botox whiterangey they are full of aloe goodness surely!

ForTheTimeBeing · 08/06/2018 18:40

I just had a quick look at the videos. They're like an unintentional MLM version of BBC's Our Country, only not funny.

Paddy1234 · 08/06/2018 20:04

For the last few years they have indeed been in a protective bubble of self worth. It's going to be an interesting journey back into the real world. I wonder how long the top bots are going to held up as poster girls/boys by the top brass as they fail to deliver.

Willowsauntie · 08/06/2018 21:28

Does anyone know why Yawn was not at the cowboy party on Wednesday?

Whiterangey · 08/06/2018 21:40

They appear to have already dropped Yawn, she hasn't spoken at an event for ages, although it's possible that is due to her weight, her as a spokesperson telling people how great and effective the health and weight loss products are wouldn't look good.

It's a shitty thing to do, especially as their products don't actually cause weight loss, but it's FL so not surprising.

They were all over her when she lost a lot of weight years ago, her before and after shot are all over facebook, but then they dropped her when she regained the weight and more.

I don't like Yawn, but that is a shitty thing to do to someone regardless.

She never attends events any more, not sure if that is because she isn't working her business or she just isn't good for their image.

It makes me feel bad for her, and I hate feeling bad for her considering what she does to other people.

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OhMyGodTheyKilledKenny · 08/06/2018 22:09

Let's not forget she's also not performing well enough to get a cheque.

There have also been allegations of bullying. Not great for a spokesperson

BSintolerant · 08/06/2018 22:25

Remember that video where Castle's brother lied about how Forever Living had enabled Castle to buy the Castle (which isn't a castle, it's a folly)?

Did he think he'd get away with telling a whopper like that? Seriously? Is he stupid, arrogant, or a bit of both? Could be a lot of both.

Whiterangey · 08/06/2018 22:39

That's true @OhMyGodTheyKilledKenny I think it's also possible that Yawn is now out of Uber's inner circle.

I remember people here pointing out that she was missing out of tagged statuses from Uber while still in Dallas, like she had dropped her.

They are still doing the weekly cult sessions. It might be that Uber is trying to get rid of Yawn and take over her downline for herself. Would that bring her more money and more chance of a bigger cheque?

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Paddy1234 · 08/06/2018 22:42

Yes the way the top hierarchy have dropped Yawn like a stone must be worrying for the others. Actually I think not, I don't think they are concerned one bit and think it can't happen to them. However how FL management continue to let tax bill bot take centre stage and soon to be hammered by the taxman Welsh bot and doll bot I will never know.

By the way the profit margin on FL must be absolutely huge for the price they sell it at in order to pay everyone the required percentage - customer very and truly screwed.

Paddy1234 · 08/06/2018 22:45

I wonder if any of the high bots complain to Mr FLuk about this page - of course not as all the home truths will come out. Even I was surprised about whiter than white tax bill bit not being quite as they seemed - she's there current poster girl speaking at everything

ReformedBot · 08/06/2018 23:33

As a former Castle worshipper, I have just for the first time watched the blogs and I cannot believe how boring they are - I've only watched/skipped through 3. Sister is so boring in the doll story and ex-city worker driving the car is dull as dishwater, her inane fake grins were more entertaining as she tried to put life into the video.

Castle going to spinning and IKEA, for someone who is an avid endorser of mindset she is one miserable, boring moaner!! When she waved bye to her son all smiles then dropped her face and sighed once she was out of sight that shows how good she is at putting on her act and reminded me of exactly what I was told by someone who knew her outside of FLP, that she would tell people how much she cared about them and their family then put the phone down and exclaim "god these idiots drain me!". On stage she is a completely different and endearing person.

But yes what stands out most is it all looked so boring, the 'fun' was fake and forced. The drive to Scotland was not a great advertisement. If this was the highlights of their life shown on video, I pity them!

Whiterangey · 08/06/2018 23:47

There also appears to only be about 50 people, including spouses and children at the wild west VIP thing. I wonder if that is because nobody wanted to go, or nobody reached the correct status to go. It looks like it was empty.

I looked back at one held on almost the same date in 2016 during the boom, same set up minus the wild west theme and it was booming, there were so many people, the one yesterday was just empty.

It is so shocking how bad it is gotten in only 2 years.

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Norma27 · 09/06/2018 07:34

Just seen Uber’s pics of the Wild West party. Ha ha! It is dead there and looks like zero atmosphere.
There were more people on my team at a charity quiz night last night.

rainbowfudgee · 09/06/2018 08:34

Ugh. Boring staged videos. Even castle herself looks bored. Crazy family? Yeah right.

SSDGM · 09/06/2018 09:13

Bit confused by Broke’s “ThursPay” post. He says the CBD oil isn’t”flowing” yet... does this mean that he’s actually trying to sell something that is 1) illegal and 2) isn’t actually on sale?

Paddy1234 · 09/06/2018 09:26

😂 go and see Messiah's post on 'haters'. I better go and get changed out of the dressing gown I wear all day and book myself in for therapy for my mental health issues pretty damn sharpish.

Norma27 · 09/06/2018 09:35

Just watched a couple of mins of castle’s family videos. Oh my God. What a load of shite!! What a fun, zany family they really are! I bet life is a laugh a minute if you know the brother with his amazing pranks.

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