MLM Bot Watch 38 - Large cheques are not forever

[Whiterangey]

I think the members of the Anti-MLM Coalition in the UK deserves to be recognised for the reduced cheques that have been received by the Forever Living bots in the UK.

They have worked tirelessly to spread the Anti-MLM message which seemed like a pointless battle when they started.

Yet here we are, the message is getting out there, and people are beginning to get the message.

People are listening. Ex-bots are telling their stories and encouraging others to leave or not to join MLM's.

You are all awesome and have worked so hard, you deserve so much respect for helping so many people.

I don't think that it was saturated in 2015, sadly. There has been a terrific growth in all MLMs over the past year - and cryptos have soaked up much of any spare cash/available debt. I reckon that the 'old' organisations are recognising the inevitable now.

The amount of cc you get for a new recruit changed from 2cc to 1.something.

That would have had a big impact. Before training was always recruit 2 people and retail 1cc so that gave you 5cc. That’s much harder now plus they also dropped the amount of XC to get to manager (to make it easier) but in the long term that will make it harder to hit the incentives

CC not XC

That will have impacted individuals, certainly.

They’ve actually made it easier to get to Manager I believe

It's quite hard to imagine someone signing up without at least googling the company; there's so much info out there now, you'd need to be deliberately ignoring it to go ahead and part with 200 quid

If someone trying to recruit me discouraged me from doing a bit of simple research I'd be very suspicious!!

Can I just say how great it is to see new people finding and commenting on this thread. Welcome!

I presume it's been spotted in Active Convos a lot since all the activity in Dallas and that's meant that occasional lurkers and people curious about the title have come on.

Interestingly enough there haven't been any comments defending MLMs.

Ah, in the olden days we used to get the odd MLM defender on here.

They went through the usual script

'why are you attaching women who are trying to improve the life of their family?'
'it's not a pyramid scheme, those are illegal!'
'network marketing created more millionaires than any other industry'
'the products are amazing'
'the company does a lot for charity'
'people who fail do so because they didn't work their business'
'treat it like a hobby. it will pay like a hobby'
'I am creating a residual income'
'you are all just jealous neg heads'

etc etc etc

Saturation point is not something that is reached in a steady, even way.

Because of the nature of MLMs, market saturation is not reached when every potential gloop drinker is drinking gloop, but when there are no longer people around to be convinced to join.

The number of people who will not join has grown exponentially. Those most likely to join joined first. They have now left. With each cycle, the pool of potential recruits, not just in numbers, but in 'quality' (as in likely to be taken in by an MLM).

Multiplying this trend massively is the experience of those joiners (the vast majority now leavers). Their experience had been a negative one. They will share this with friends and family. Even if they quietly retire to lick their wounds, friends, family and those that they have interacted with (potential clients/prospects) will have been alerted to the noxious nature of the MLM- they, in turn, become multipliers, further reducing the pool of potential recruits.

Among the latter, as well as some ex-bots, some become super-multipliers, such as the people on this and other fora, who actively spread the fight against the scourge of MLMs, by using every opportunity to call out their lies.

As the pool of potential recruits declines through simple maths, this effect is massively amplified by the work of those 'activists'.

Arbunne was right on Saturday morning after the (no) cheque debacle. Those who have persistently and tirelessly fought the poisonous lies of MLMs, and provided resources for those bewildered by their (direct or indirect) experience of MLM have played a massive role in cutting the grass from under FLP's feet.

Despite the bots putting on their best 'Phoenix from the ashes' mindsets on, there is no way back (the corpse may twitch for a while).

I salute you all!

Personally, I think that if only one person looked at these threads and decided to steer clear of Forever Living (or another MLM), or decided to get out, it's been worthwhile.

But I suspect that it's been more than one person we have 'saved'

I agree, Sponge.

Is there a list out with the U.K. Bots and cheques yet? I suspect my FL friend didn't get anything much this year.

There is a list on fl uk page of top 10 cheques. Don’t know if there is a list anywhere of others.

The "top 10" is on FLP UK's Facebook page.

@ Norma- there were only 11 "stage cheque" bots. Number 11 got 18k.

What is it with bots and selfies? All of mine are constantly taking pics. Always to state how amazing they think they look. I find it totally bizarre. Can’t remember the last time I put a pic of myself on Facebook. And as I am in my 40s I have never taken a selfie to put on social media.

What is it with bots and the word “hun” I’d like to know,are they told to call people “huns”.

Norma I know what you mean. I do t get why they think endless selfies would attract sales or recruits. If I was thinking of joining up it would put me off big time as they so self-absorbed that I would feel they wouldn't give a hoot about anyone else.

Someone earlier in the thread described the false smes of selfies as a "rictus grin" which sums it up perfectly

Ha ha rictus grin! If I started calling people hun and putting a load of selfies on Facebook my husband would divorce me. My friends would also ask me i what the hell I was doing acting like a prat!

They take the selfies for their fans 😂😂😂 I remember Yawn once referring to her recruits as her fans!! It was incredible and cringe worthy

It's to sell "their (fake) lifestyles" designed to make you jealous. So while you work they are at the gym, while you work they are out for coffee etc etc and apparently a picture is worth more than just telling people they have to show people their lifestyles. Although it's fake I'm sure many (as I was) are sucked in by these selfies! I joined cos it looked like my friend was having a ball and I felt like it looked appealing and glamorous. Believe me though there's nothing glamours about it. It's all lies