MLM Bot Watch 20 - chat about Utah based tragicomic cultastic racketeering scamalangadingdongs like Forever Living, Ariix, Herbalife, Younique, Juiceplus etc etc etc

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Bot Watch 19 - chat about Utah based tragicomic cultastic racketeering scamalangadingdongs like Forever Living, Ariix, Herbalife, Younique, Juiceplus etc etc etcThread 19
Links to follow...

Like they say, anyone can do MLM, you don't even need GCSEs. 😉

#bottymcbotface

I agree, they seem like they're written in a rage, fuelled by gin. They try to hide it by being flippant, but underneath that there's a rage. They go on and on about people being bitchy, when the conversation moved on a long time ago.

When you watch the videos you can hear the digs made about other high fliers, if you know what to listen out for. It's a cut throat business that's for sure that lurks under those 'huns' and 'forever friends'.

People might find it productive to repost regularly some of the links in the OP and early posts. (In particular, app users don't have those presented to them each time they rejoin the thread if they're using bookmarks.)

I was going to write a post, but this meme deserves resurrection.

I'm going back to lurker heaven again

cozie provided the links are in the first post then you just have to click "show op" (next to the thread title)

It's funny how the trolls seem to appear everytime former MLM recruits post on the threads, i'm sure this has happened numerous times now. And the trolls write much but say nothing of substance, just make accusations of bitchiness etc etc.

I have massive amounts of respect for all the ex-mlmers on the threads & really admire their courage.

Thanks throwing. I'm afraid I don't have that on the app as far as I can see. Could you indicate where it might be?

throwing They hire virtual assistants, copywriters and content management experts to write their social media content for them. That's why their websites and FB pages are relatively coherent, but their posts here are not.

It frees them up to spend more time touching their biznizz, and gracing us with their presence here.

What would Rex and the family think?

Ah - that's on the mobile site?

chucking

Proper punctuation and grammar is the difference between "helping your uncle, Jack, off a horse" and "helping your uncle jack off a horse."

Ah, my phone is too full of photos of my kids and screen shots of dodgy claims by MLM bots so I don't have room for the app

BS I love the grammar example. Sadly I think that it will be lost on the majority of bots hehehehe

No problem, throwing. That's why I mentioned the possible repetition. Some thread readers may not always have had the prompting to go back and delve into some of eg the remarkable links in the first few posts.

This is from the opening post:

Talk Money matters
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MLM Bot Watch 20 - chat about Utah based tragicomic cultastic racketeering scamalangadingdongs like Forever Living, Ariix, Herbalife, Younique, Juiceplus etc etc etc565
28/04/2016 06:20 stopfaffing

Bot Watch 19 - chat about Utah based tragicomic cultastic racketeering scamalangadingdongs like Forever Living, Ariix, Herbalife, Younique, Juiceplus etc etc etcThread 19
Links to follow...grin

28/04/2016 06:35 stopfaffing

Check these links for history and background information about MLM.

mlmtheamericandreammadenightmare.blogspot.co.uk/
timelessvie.wordpress.com/
www.facebook.com/timelessvie
twitter.com/timelessvie
botwatchblog.wordpress.com/
www.facebook.com/liestopper/
www.facebook.com/hommetrepreneur/
twitter.com/hommetrepreneur/

28/04/2016 06:36 stopfaffing

More notes to read....

"MLMs make money by exploiting the salesforce"

Legitimate companies (LCs) use salespeople to sell their products. LCs pay
their salespeople basic plus commission on sales. LCs fund training, meetings, and kick-off events. LCs supply sales materials and tools free of charge. LCs incur, therefore, some costs per salesperson. LCs do not make money on salespeople purchasing their products. LCs make sure that each salesperson has a designated area such that salespeople don't saturate the marketplace. And of course, LCs don't allow salespeople to recruit other salespeople without OK from the company!.

Multi-Level-Marketing companies (MLMs) pay no basic to Independent Business Owners (IBOs) who, purportedly, sell their products. MLMs charge IBOs for joining. MLMs then charge IBOs for - and make money from - all training, meetings, kick-off events, sales materials, demo kit and tools. Therefore rather than incur costs per salesperson, MLMs make money off each IBO. MLMs encourage IBOs to purchase their products and MLMs profit off these; MLMs use jargon to blur the distinction between IBO personal purchase and "sales". MLMs are happy that IBOs recruit new IBOs below them (as MLMs make money off each salesperson, whether they sell anything or not); due to this, there are no restrictions on IBO-saturation of an area.

Bottom line at the bottom: "MLMs make money buy exploiting the salesforce(IBOs). And I hav'nt even mentioned the cult-like mind control hooks that MLMs use! Beware!

The issues we have with MLMs are-

• people don't make money in them but they are told they will.
• people put a lot of time and effort and their dreams into these schemes only to have it not work.
• when it doesn't work they are led to believe it is their own fault.
• attraction marketing - ie people bring bad things on themselves, even plane crashes and floods. You can have anything you want just by 'being positive'.
• fake it until you make it bollocks.
• the legal health claims made for the wampum being sold.
• vulnerable and desperate people targeted to buy products and join the scheme.
• the personality takeover of new recruits (hence the term 'bots') into the inanely smiling, meme-posting, emulate-my-wonderful-lifestyle bot who will defriend friends and family if they disagree with the MLM.
• the fake smiley 'family' that are other bots that will turn on you and bully you when you leave their MLM.
• the sneery dislike of people with jobs and the assertion that people who have fulfilling careers that are well paid with holidays, sick pay, free training, expenses, spare time, pension are worthless and not as good as a scheme where you will lose money, have no spare time, no pension, no sick pay, no expenses.
• the blind faith that, even when presented with all the above facts and supporting evidence, bots still think MLM is a good idea because they see people who say they are rich through it, clutching massive cheques.
• the whole cult aspect of mind control and some very dubious methods of making people comply in these schemes.
• the ridiculous arguments that are presented by MLM adherents that are just plain wrong e.g. It's not a pyramid scheme because the person below me can make more than me, all companies are pyramid schemes, pyramid schemes are illegal so this one must be ok as it hasn't been shut down, the MLM is in lots of countries therefore it must be ok if those governments have accepted it, if you disagree with MLMs it is because you failed at one yourself, you can't understand MLM unless you have been in one yourself.

A brief history of the threads so far-

A few people were bemused at their friends' strange personality changes when they joined MLMs.
Eyespying told us they were tragicomic, thought stopping cultic racketeers.
We told him to go away, he was clearly obsessed, and can he go to his own serious thread?
We delved a bit deeper into the issues.
Eyes started creeping back. We told him he was too serious.
We became more horrified at the information being turned up and were sharing links.
Eyes told us aboutMerchants of Deception.
Timeless Vie was set up as a parody about MLMs.Facebook, Twitter, blog, Instagram and YouTube were all used.
People started coming forward, telling of their experiences in MLMs.
We became more horrified.
Bot Watch started on Facebook where links were put up of interest to do with MLMs.
Botwatchblog started and produced factual analysis of the discussions from MN.
MLM members (bots) waded in saying it was all ok. You can earn great money. You just have to work 19 hours a day and not worry about morals.
Bots complained about their names being used. Their lawyers complained to MNHQ so that MN now do not allow us to use bots' names or show screengrabs of their writings even if it is in the public domain.
Blogs and FB posts increased, with the increasing amount of facts and whistleblowers coming forward.
FL lawyer tried to get TV YouTube video banned.
Bots claimed we were bullying them because we were asking them questions they couldn't answer. we were called middle aged women and accused of being drug dealers.
It got a bit nasty so we ate some cheese for a bit and they went away.
Health claims from FL bots now reducing dramatically as a result of pestering from all of us.
We stopped telling Eyes he was too serious. We all started thinking in his language and realised he was right.
Eyes turned out to be very funny and entertained us all.
Sunday Times article produced exposing FL. With a little help from people here.
Lawyers still persisting in trying to ban TV's videos.

Another one has popped into my radar. LifeVantage. Seems to not have reached the UK yet but an adherent is currently targeting one of the medical groups I am on. In a way in makes me madder in America because I read posts all the time about how people are struggling to access health care so many are 'soft' targets for cheaper alternatives.

I am not sure what the product does though. I was lost with the really long words

Summed up nicely by this

Well done, DoThe.

I'm sure people will be having a look, MrGrumpy.

Well.

What do you think?

In fact, I'm hesitant to even suggest that BotWatchBlog people visit their Facebook pages. I think they'd have coronaries.

BS

It would be peddled as a cure for cancer I'd imagine given the nature of the group I am in.

I wonder what the law is in other countries in regards to medical claims.

I cannot comprehend the amount of brainwashing going on in mlms. The defenderbots who visit this thread clearly genuinely believe what they are saying. I actually find it quite terrifying just how deluded and out of touch with reality the defenderbots are. Cognitive dissonance is one thing but this is a step beyond. Complete delusion. There is nothing we can say to defenderbots, they are lost.

Their main point seems to be "you're all bitches"

Ok I don't like the term but what goes through my mind is "pot, kettle, black"

Other than a clear stated loathing for MLMs and a pathological hatred of Bad Science I have no agenda. I'm not protecting my source of income, and we don't have a shady multi-million dollar company behind us. Our genuine wish is to stop people being conned by MLM pyramid schemes, and ideally for such schemes to be made explicitly illegal.

It's not personal, but as the top bots use their personalities and their position in the pyramid to con yet more people they are open to criticism. It is through their own efforts that more and more people are being recruited. And we are hearing more and more tales of vulnerable people joining, because there is no process, except an individual bot's own conscience and ethics, to prevent people little suited to MLM from being conned in this way.