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Can I come out now??..... Wow that was an intense day.

It felt like the custard pie scene at the end of bugsy Malone!

Hi everyone

Your wonderful posts have prompted me to join mumsnet for the first time.

I was just wondering if anyone had any knowledge of other similar schemes? I'm in particular thinking of kleeneze and usborne books at home? Are these a similar set up?

I had experience with kleeneze in recent years and it sounds very similar to the experience of many involved in FL. numerous training days, meetings, harassment. I only joined as a student to get some money for driving lessons and I ended up having my own 'recruiting' website and my boyfriend had a car sticker within a month I only 'worked' for three months and I lost nearly £500 which went on a credit cardtakes a long time to pay that back on student income!

Currently usborne books at home are bombarding my local social media pages and I was thinking about it- until I read these threads!

I am a mother with a little boy with complex S.E.N. Working in a 'traditional' job is not likely to ever work for me so I am kind of drawn to these sorts of companies sometimes unfortunately when FL have stalls at my son's S.e.n school's Christmas fair and at a local hospice's summer fair it seems more legitimate than they are.

Thanks for your thoughts x

Apologies for spelling/ punctuation issues I am figuring out the app!

eyes you are my hero! You have my permission to throw it around with impunity as the bots on here have proven more than worthy of the title

They're both MLMs.

Hi Unicorns 👋👋 great to meet you, and Im so glad to hear you have found these threads useful! How awful to end up in that debt!!! To be honest my knowledge on usbourne/kleeneze is limited so I will let someone else answer that question, although it is my belief that they are a form of mlm... I stand to be corrected though! Anyway, glad you are here and you have all the support you could ever need on this thread 😊, please do dive in!

unicornspoopingrainbows

You now seem to be able to spot the red flags yourself. In general, if you suspect any scheme of being a fraud, just google search the name + the word: scam, fraud, etc. If you drop on piles of sites explaining why the scheme in question can't possibly be a scam, fraud, etc., it's a pretty safe bet that it is.

chimps you sound frantic, I really think you need to step away

As for your ridiculous thing about the nurses :

1. it was in discussions with a senior and highly respected specialist nurse that she made it clear they should and would be struck of for making such claims
2. I have no intent ok if reporting them myself. My point was just to make it clear what enormous risks they are taking
3. if they have paid attention in any of their training it should be clear that aloe, at best, has a placebo effect and at worst is a pretty dangerous thing to dish out to ill people!

Lets also bear in mind the anecdotal evidence of the bee pollen products causing severe and dangerous reactions in senstive people...

eyes hahaha. made me laugh for the first time

Thanks everyone.

I kind of realised with kleeneze fairly quickly that something was 'off'.
The training and stuff was all about recruiting and I naively thought I was popping in catalogues about cleaning stuff. My up line was pretty batshit also to be honest! But took me a while to get out as 'success is just around the corner.'

Thank you for the usborne at home info. Am embarrassed for being tempted but glad I asked the question. Their advertising is less 'obvious' to me anyway, looks more 'wholesome' so I hope that info helps others too.

Clearly I am a prime prospect for these things. Probably not surprising given home life situation. Not helped by MLMs stands/ leaflets in many of the disability/ special needs support things by me. Talk about tapping a vulnerable group of parents.

Here is the link for the first steps to manager book mentioned earlier. www.onlineflp.com/media/files/First-Steps-to-Manager-01700-I-Singles.pdf the health claim bit is on page 20. It is dated 2013. Is there a newer version?

Unicorn Don't be embarrassed
There are lots of us out here
Set yourself free you are better than this

Without sounding like a cult!!

See unicorns thats exactly the kind of thing that brings us here and gives us all the rage...😡 The deliberate and encouraged targeting by mlms and their bots, of vulnerable people for the purposes of generating more income for the upline, they (the teamies) are being convinced by the company and the uber bots that they are 'helping' people... So they think they are doing the right thing, but the only people that really benefit from these people joining, are the ubers and the top of the pyramid. Thank god you saw it for what it was before you got sucked in too deep! Sorry you lost £500 finding out though 😟

And yet all they do when you challenge them is make veiled stalky threats, insult you, send in the lawyer/s, and side step direct questions...

they absolutely target the vulnerable which is what gives us all the rage.

thanks for coming forward unicorn

I'm so glad you guys have grabbed the baton and run with this idea. I don't want to speak out of turn but many bots in my situation simply do not have the time or the energy to kind of 'rage' back if you like.

My son has many disabilities/ conditions but one of them is autism. A FL bot near me posted that advert about autism and aloe pills and when I saw it I sobbed. As a mother whose little boy can't speak and do all sorts of 'normal' things when someone tells me some aloo gloop could help him you want to do it. It's not just the recruitment with FL it's the whole bloody thing

Also those blimming pills were on the stall at my son's school Christmas fete. Needless to say by the end of the evening they had sold and more ordered

I'd be furious about that too - both my son and I are on the Spectrum and anything like that makes me see red.

natasha, hats off for sticking around so long.

Here are some questions I don't think you've had a chance to answer-

1. do you know anyone who has retired and living off residual income?

2. do you think FLP market is reaching saturation levels?

3. what is your view on recruiting in less developed countries where people in desperate poverty are recruited?

On an aside, I personally don't think it's mainly about selling products. If yout look at virtually all Facebook pages, most no longer even mention products anymore (I think the training advises 80/20% lifestyle to products), it is so much more about getting people to join than getting new product customers. Same with all the sponsored posts people pay for.

Cubic it's not the latex in the aloe, because they don't use that bit, it's the saponins in the inner leaf gel (its soap, basically and it's probably the same thing that makes some people throw up).

Further to that, when my not first joined and emailed me, she didn't mention the company name, and has never once asked em if interested in the product. She emailed only about the opportunity, and I also got a video link to one of the top bots who posted about her lifestyle, again no mention of what the products did. Surely if it was all about the products and selling, the focus would not be so much on recruiting?