MLM-Bot Watch SIX - Juice+, Forever Living, Younique, Arbonne, newbie ARIIX, and our own Parslai-powered Timeless Vie

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very well trained and very believable. i can definitely see why they pushed her up the ranks and gave her a mumillion worker bots to exploit.

She might sound convincing, but her body language isn't. She looks quite tense at times - especially around her shoulders. Is it me or does she look uncomfortable?

I bet she makes a lot of her money from training and materials.

EC is under the control of Mr Brain O'Wash so the fact she appears tense and uncomfortable is probably real fear that she will disappoint her FLP overlords. Don't forgot that because she has sold her real house she is effectively homeless without the bot training castle they let her live in. You can see how EC's personality and story has changed from the timeless vie video.

Me Brain O'Wash - haha! Love it! 😂😂😂

At 7:46 "If lots of you feel that your business is not where you want it...a few reasons are (1) you are just not working hard enough (2) you are just not doing enough of the stuff that it takes to build a business. That's it."

Yup, it is your fault you are not successful. No wonder people who fail leave the business and go into hiding in shame. Bastards, the lot of 'em (FL, that is).

Windy- that made me feel sick about recruiting on the labour ward. I really hope midwives will put a stop to it if they see if they see it happening. If I had been targeted there I think that yellow monstrosity would have been shoved somewhere very painful.

EC claims to have recruited her midwife while in labour - they are probably trying to emulate her!

She is actually a very accomplished public speaker. Not sure I buy that she was all shy and anxious before FL.

Darcey- they all seem to claim this lack of confidence. NH claims the same. I used to know her very well many years ago (pre Forever) and she had the most confidence out of anyone I knew. More lies to hook people in.

EC is making a fair packet from her planners even if with being very generous with costs she is making at least £15 on each one. Times that by all the ones she has sold to all the MLM and she has found a good niche. Repeat business as well.

You have to hand it to her, that was a very shrewd business decision.

I wonder why she is prepared to talk about numbers but the others don't, they just make vague sweeping statements. Is she there to set the standard, so that when the other sapphire managers get promoted and only get paid £3.50 they will assume it is just them, they must not be working hard enough as EC is at the same level and gets paid tonnes.

Don't forget, whatever EC pretends to be reality concerning her 'income', she has shown absolutely no independent quantifiable evidence to support. The cash used to fund her rags to riches 'MLM' fairy story, could literally have come from anywhere.

I wouldn't be too sure that 'FLP UK Ltd.' is any different either.

'FLP' is an 'Amway' copy-cat.

'Amway UK Ltd.' ran for 34 years in the UK before regulators took a close look. They then discovered that the company had never once declared a trading profit and that it had lost around £15 millions 1998-2006. A labyrinth of centrally-controlled 'Amway' front-companies had apparently been secretly financing the fairy story known as 'Amway UK Ltd.'

In the 'Amway' racket, the profits have largely come from a 'Scientology' -style esoteric advance fee fraud - i.e. peddling step by step initiation into the exclusive secrets of how to achieve total financial freedom.

I started reading Merchants of Deception last night and was amazed at the similarities between FL and Amway. The mindset tapes and books, secrecy about the product, attraction marketing, names such as diamond and eagle. I know there were many more but can't think of them now.

Hi NH, EC, CS etc.
Bet you are loving these threads as much as we are

Norma27 - All these 'MLM' rackets have been using essentially the same structures, but this system existed literally centuries ago.

'Amway' and FLP' comprise parallel hierarchical pyramids of initiation - one of obedience and one of secrets.

The impressive sounding titles used in these 'MLM' structures could literally be anything: Grand Master,Grand Wizard, etc., but, for obvious reasons, 'MLM' racketeers have usually chosen titles creating images of wealth and freedom (like birds of prey, precious metals and jewels).

There are some 'MLM' rackets which have use titles taken from medieval Catholic Military Orders, they've even presented high-level initiates with swords.

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Don't know if this works but my bot has posted this shot of a webinar recognition with TG. Like the stealing of the facebook like image. Love to be a fly on the wall watching one of those...

MrGrumpy She certainly has made a shrewd move creating her planners, especially if they're available to everyone involved in every mlm out there. If only she could be upfront and say, "I make £X from FL (selling their products and recruiting) and £X from selling planners and training materials." Otherwise it's all smoke and mirrors.

BSintolerant In many ways, EC is in very similar situation to Eric Scheibeler (but before he faced reality). Eric was presented as an 'MLM' millionaire in the propaganda, but in 10 years, he really lost $100k of his own money, and passed around $4 millions to his 'Amway' handlers.

Currently, whatever money EC is thieving from her little unquestioning section of the 'FLP' pyramid, the lion's share is being passed upwards to her own handlers.

I very much doubt whether EC will be left with tuppence to scratch her arse.

Remind me. Did the castle materialise?

Eye Did Eric Scheibeler ever boast of earning six figures (or more) or was that just what others thought he was earning. EC is quoting figures in this video. She's making some pretty bold claims about her monthly earnings - she's not being evasive - although there's certainly nothing to back it up.

I still wonder if there's a short term lease on the so-called castle registered in FL's name. Any lurking lawyers here with cheap access to Land Registry searches?

I've not tried them, no, but the ingredients list on the product and the lack of money spent on the packaging (it's cheap, lets face it and the design is a bit of a Clarins knock-off) tells me, it's not gonna be great.
The eyeshadow doesn't even have a mirror in the lid, it looks like the lowest spec of product you can get in Superdrug.
Ariix have spent a lot more on their brand identity and packaging and it shows. The whole thing is a lot more slick, I kind of see Juice Plus+ as targetting working classes, Forever is slightly better end and I wonder if Ariix is gonna go after people with money as that how it looks to me.

If Juice Plus+ is losing money, is that because their customers investors have none? Why did Pampered Chef fail in UK? I know that the recruiting wasn't pushed so much from what SIL said and most people in her Yorkshire hometown don't have the money to buy products like that that cost so much.

Patzy I didn't think the products were any great shakes either. The lotions made me smell like a walking medicine cabinet.

In one of the video trainings we were told to put all our usual products in a black bin liner, hide it somewhere and replace them with the FL products in the business owners box. I'm sorry FL but you can piss right off - I love my usual lotions and potions (some of them aren't cheap, but they're worth every penny) and there's no way I was putting them in a rubbish bag to retrieve later on - I have more respect for them than that! Being told to put them in a bin liner is probably some sort of not very subtle form of brainwashing ("Your old products are rubbish. Chanel is Crap. Ditch the Dior. Exterminate the Elemis. Accept Aloe!") they didn't suggest putting them away somewhere safe instead.

its the wrong way round, the pupp box goes in the bin bag!

Sminky I wonder if JP has saturated the market? This post seems to suggest it's raining Juice (alleluia).

FL are missing a trick - aloe hair dye!

(only available in blonde of course. Then we can all become brainwashed identi-bots regardless of our hair colour)

I mean, it's only the fact that I'm a brunette that's holding me back from a six figure income.