Recurrent MC--Testing and beyond--Part 5 continues here

[LAF77]

Here is the list of us on the thread and where we are in our journey through RMC. Nearly 4,000 posts in a year, so mark your place for the next thread.

Part one Part one

Part two Part two

Part three Part three

Part four Part four

STARTING TESTING
LOLA78: mc1 Dec 07 (6wks), DD Oct 08 (problem free pregnancy and natural birth), mmc2 Nov 10 6wks ERPC at 10wks, mc3 Feb 11 at 7wks - suspected ectopic but mc naturally, mc4 mar 11 at 5wks (started 75mg aspirin from a week before bfp) - hospitalised for excessive bleeding and clots. Now referred for testing at local fertility clinic, we have started having blood tests and am on 5mg folic acid.
SCOOTERCHASTER: DS Oct 08 (managed for SVT heart from 35wks), mc1 Sept 10 (7wks), mc2 Dec 10 (9 wks - hb @ 8wks), mc3 April 11 (7.5 wks, hb day b4 mc).
HAIRYLIGHTS, age 42, MC1 (Jun 10, very low HCG, suspected ectopic, methotrexate), MC 2 (Nov 22 2010, MMC,ERPC, no heart beat at ten weeks, fetus 8 week size), MC3 (MMC - Medical Management, Feb 13 2011, MMC at 7 week scan). Waiting to TTC
PANDA 3MMC, no.1 (embryonic loss - empty sac) 7weeks, no.2 at 12 weeks, no.3 at 8 weeks. Awaiting raft of tests for recurrent MC
CLAIREDELOON Age 38 1st mmc, development stopped approx 5 weeks (2007), 2nd mmc development stopped at approx 6 weeks (2009), 3rd mc development stopped at 9 weeks after seeing hb at 8+3 (2010). Bicornate uterus, starting testing Feb 2011.
NOTSOBARRENBROOK Age 35. 1st mmc @ 6 weeks (Jan 2009), 2nd mmc @ 6 weeks (Jan 2010), 3rd mmc @ 11 weeks, development stopped at 6 weeks 3 days (March 2010), 4th mmc @ 5 weeks (August 2010). Possible adenomyosis, awaiting hsg and results of testing from St Mary's.
MILKYWAY2007 Age 28 - DD age 3. 1st MC Oct 2009, 6 weeks. 2nd MMC March 2010, 11 weeks (baby passed away at 7 weeks). 3rd MC July 2010, 6 weeks. 4th MMC 24 Jan 2011, 9 weeks - no amniotic sac, baby measured 7weeks 4 days, no HB, had seen a healthy HB at 7 weeks. Blood clotting, hormone, genetic karyotype and shape and health of uterus checked and all clear. High dose folic acid prescribed.
LUCKYFOR2 Age 32 - DD age 5. DD age 3. 1st MC May 2010 found at 12 week scan passed away at 9 weeks. 2nd MC September 2010 natural at 8 weeks. 3nd MC January 2011 at 16 weeks, saw hb at 13 but no hb at 15.5. All tests have come back clear. Going to take Aspirin and Progesterone in next pregnancy (will be on Promise trial) currently ttc.
IGGI999 - Age 40, 3 year old DS. 3 MC last year, at 6, 8 and 8 weeks. Last two had hb detected. NHS blood tests came back clear, except for presence of antinuclear antibodies. To take aspirin for this. Going to see Shehata in May as think steroids are needed.
CONFU3ED - Age 35 1st MC 1998 14 weeks. DD age 11. 2nd MC July 2009 5.5 weeks. ERPC Twice. No tests. 6 months Clomid 3rd MC January 2010. The foetus sent for testing - came back fine. Been referred to recurrent MC clinic at the hospital for tests, waiting for appointment. Was told I have PCOS through a scan but never diagnosed.

UNDERGOING TREATMENT
HAVINGKITTENS Age 41 - MMC1 Nov 07 8wks (discovered due to bleeding at 10.5wks) ERPC, TOP1 for TS21 Aug 08, TOP2 for TS21 Feb 09, TOP incomplete, ERPC performed, Genetic Counselling & tests confirmed no chromosome problems with us, "just bad luck ", MMC2 Feb 10 5.5wks (seen at 8wk scan, no bleeding), MMC3 May 10 (as MMC2), RMC testing at UCH, no cause found - empirical 75mg asprin & vit D + early & regular scans for next pregnancy, MMC4 No fetal pole seen at 6.5 wks, follow up scan 10 days later, told of MMC, then "Something" spotted so instructed to wait another week before they would allow ERPC, ERPC a week later, waiting for NK Cell test results from Mr S on NHS, taking 75mg Asprin, Vit D, Pregnacare Plus (w/Omega 3), 5mg Folic Acid (been taking since 1st TOP to try & prevent TS21 or similar issues), NK Cells levels almost double what they should be. 25mg Prednisone from ovulation - CD1 or if BFP then 'til 12 wks and then weaned off 'til 14wks plus Progesterone pessaries from BFP - 16wks, Folic Acid, Omega3, Vit D - 12wks, Asprin - 20wks.
CRYSTAL5 Age 38 - DS age 4. 6 m/c 1 at 11 weeks, 5 at 5/6 weeks. Ok blood tests, under Endocrinologist for Hypothyroid
LADYBEE 37, MC1 (5wks), DS (2), MC2 blighted ovum discovered @ 8 wk scan, MC3 natural @ 9 wks following hb seen at 7 1/2 wk. PCOS previously diagnosed, Factor V Leiden heterozygote discovered in recent testing. Treatment with aspirin (from BFP) + clexane started at 6 weeks. MC4 MMC @ 8.1 wks (discovered @ 11 wk scan) following hb seen at 6+6 wks. Consultant suggests aspirin + clexane to start at 4 weeks, plus progesterone pessaries. Management of MC tbc.
DIGITALGIRL Age 32 - DS 2.8 - 4MCs since ttc#2. MC1 Nov2009 @5wks. MC2 Apr2010 @6-7wks. MC3 Oct2010 @7-8wks. MC4 Mar2011 @8wks. All natural, except MC4 managed with ERPC for karyotyping. Clotting tests normal. DH & I genetically normal. On Metformin for mild PCOS, plus 75mg aspirin, Pregnacare Plus & 25mcg VitD3. Diagnosed with high NK Cells (1.25) after MC4. Starting TTC in May with prednisolone from ovulation and will add cyclogest once pg. Under care of Mr S.
PUREEQUEEN Age 34, MC1 (7 weeks Jan 08) MC2 (6 weeks March 08), DS born (prem) 2009, MC3 (9 weeks Oct 10). MC4 Jan 2011. First 2 natural mcs latter 2 mmc/ERPCs. Chromosome test MC4 showed she had a genetic abnormality (cri du chat). Karotyping for me and DH fine but with "increase in length on satellite of short arm 13 and 15" (??) . Also have endo &septate uterus. Now TTC and will take aspirin and progesterone.
LAF77 , Age 33, MC1 (7 weeks Apr 10) MC2 (5 weeks Sept 10) MC3 (9 weeks Dec 10). All have been natural mcs and number 1 and 3 were embryonic . No children, First appointment with St. Mary's in April, second round of bloods in May, with results in June.

PREGNANT
MATTSMAMA Aged 41. 1st MMC November 2004. My DS (who I love with all my heart) born 2006. 2nd MMC July 2010. 2 chemical pregnancies September and October 2010. Under Dr Shehata and got BFP on first round of treatment for high thyroid antibodies and high killer cells.
BANANA87 Age 30- 1mmc@7 weeks, DD (2), 1 mmc 6 weeks, 1 mc 7 weeks, Going to try aspirin and progesterone as per consultant. Clotting bloods normal.
MUMMYABROAD Age 36, 1DS (2.9), 1MMC Mar 2010 (@14weeks) Ashermans diagnosis and treatment Nov 2010, Started TTC Jan 2011 BFP on Cycle 2 EDD 4/11/11. Heartbeat seen at 10 weeks.
GLITTERYBITS 1 anembryonic MC (12 weeks), unexplained infertility, 1 round of clomid, currently pg and terrified!
JUSTMEE Age 21, MC1 (7 weeks), MC2 (6weeks), MC3 (5weeks) currently pregnant with 4th pregnancy using clexane injecting 20mg a day
LOVELYBUNCHOFCOCONUTS Age 23, 1 MC (13 weeks), 1 MMC (10 weeks - growth stopped at 7), 1DD born 2008, PCOS diagnosis, bi-cornuate uterus. EDD 03/10/11
LOVEMYSLEEP Age 39, 1 mmc, dd born(now 5), 2nd mc (9wks, 2days), 3rd mc (9wks, 3days) and 4th mc at 5 wks. All tests on NHS came back clear. Currently undergoing treatment with Dr.Shehata for very high natural killer cells - aspirin, progesterone, steroids, omezaprole and one intralipid infusion completed.

GRADUATES WITH BABIES!!
LUNATIC dd1(4) 2 mmc (8 wks) dd2 stillborn (32+5). Seen at St Mary's. clotting problem, pg #5 aspirin 150g daily. Ds1 born 9/2/11 c/s @ 35 wks
STILLFRAZZLED Age 35, DS1 (3.6yo), 1 mc @ 5 weeks Jan 09, 2nd mc @ 9 weeks March 09, DS2 born @ 35+3 on 04/01/11 with Intra Uterine Growth Restriction but currently home and doing well.
MUMATRON Age 28 2 dc then 4mc, 3 @9weeks 1@5weeks, tests showed possible free protein s ishoo. dd2 born 06/01/2011, aspirin, claxane and high dose folic acid through pg.
JULEZBOO Age 29 1 mc @ 14 wks, DS1 (8yo) 4 mc @ 5/6 wks, DS2 (3) 2 mc @7 wks... DS3 (14/01/11 @35 wks) Dx with Factor V Leiden and Septate Uterus. Clexane and Aspirin throughout pregnancy and progesterone with DS3.

Amuminwaiting just to say when I went to get my tests done after my 3rd mc, I couldm't believe how many heavily pregnant women there were in the waiting room. Found out I'd been booked into the antenatal clinic by mistake
It is so hard isn't it.
Sorry I haven't read the rest of the posts yet. Hope everyone is ok.

Amuminwaiting just to say when I went to get my tests done after my 3rd mc, I couldm't believe how many heavily pregnant women there were in the waiting room. Found out I'd been booked into the antenatal clinic by mistake
It is so hard isn't it.
Sorry I haven't read the rest of the posts yet. Hope everyone is ok.

So, here's something nice to share with you....

Last night I went for dinner with an old friend that I'd not seen for a long time. She was asking me about my "baby situation" as the last time I saw her was after my third pregnancy. I told here what had happened since I'd seen her and that I was now taking steroids for NK Cells and she said "Oh, yes! That's what happened with xxxx & xxxx (won't mention names on MN just in case!)." She then went on to tell me that they'd discovered this after something like 5 miscarriages and that they had just had their 3rd (!) baby on the steroid treatment plan. Isn't that amazing to hear?! She did say that they had a couple of miscarriages between those pregnancies - but we know that there isn't a 100% success rate. But with perseverance at around 41 years of age they now have 3 kids after thinking they had no hope.

That cheered me up no end! I'm going to cut and paste this and put it in the new thread too in case there are new members not on here. I just think it's such an inspiration.

Thank you for that positive start to the day!

Thank you for that positive start to the day!

lucky I am so glad your scan went well again. I know how hard it is accepting the pregnancy and getting past that milestone, but you must remember that this time you are being treated and the results from the promise trial so far are exceptionally good. I know it's not much coming from me, but keep positive and try to enjoy this pregnancy.
I've also been trying to avoid my friends and family with this pregnancy. I just think my friend will think I'm stupid for trying again so soon, even though she has been very supportive through my losses. I feel bad, and I think she knows I am avoiding her, although she told me I had put on weight last week when we ran into each other at nursery.

LAF77 I'm sorry you didn't find a definitive answer from all your tests. After 4 losses, I still haven't found a reason for them either. Have you had your vitamin D levels tested?

digi Don't worry about it! Alot of my posts on here are a way of self help, and writing down how I feel helps me so much, even if I don't get replies, so don't feel bad. I can't remember where I have read this - maybe in one of the earlier RMC threads, but St Mary's meet alot of women who are being treated privately too, and they don't raise eyebrows at women being treated for NK cells either. So don't worry about that. St Mary's also have an 80% success rate with women suffering from RMC - they really take care of their patients, and even Dr Regan has written in her book that the TLC of women with weekly scans and appointments can result in a successful pregnancy.

amuminwaiting I am sorry you are feeling so low. I don't think there is any woman on this thread who hasn't been forced in a room with women with big bumps, whilst they have just been told they have miscarried. It's a horrible horrible thing to go through. That stupid programme, Mums to be Behaving Badly or something was being advertised on Iplayer the other week, so I decided to have a peek. Won't be watching that crap again.

Nothing much happening with me, I was in bed all day yesterday with flu - backache and leg ache and vomiting. I was really scared because the backache felt like labour pains. I'm feeling a little better today, but feel like I have been running the marathon. I'm also a little worried because I'm getting painful twinges in my lower abdomen since I vomited. I'm just praying that nothing bad has happened. I was supposed to have my bloods taken early this morning for my follow up Vitamin D and Calcium test, but I just couldn't get myself out of bed so missed it. I feel bad I didn't cancel the appointment too.

Hope everyone else is doing well.

kittens what a lovely positive and inspiring story.

milky I would just ring the docs up in the morning and say how sorry you are that you completely forgot and ask for another test. I'm sure that your baby is perfectly fine but understand your concern as every twinge makes us feel uneasy after everything that has happenned. Try and rest, I hope you feel better in a day or so.

Scan okay today and they have agreed to scan me again next week. I was 15 weeks today - all the docs think I need to get a grip...and of course I will next year when the baby is safe and sound!

sorry, another self absorbed post here, but my life is turning into a bad soap opera.

DH has another child from a relationship when he was a teenager. He hasn't seen her since she was about 2 years old because they moved to another country, and was adopted by her grandparents. I've always been supportive of him finding her, but of course, they manage to get in contact this week. It's just like I've been kicked in the stomach. I don't need this added complication in my life right now after I've been waiting for my RMC results for 6 months to find that there is "nothing" wrong with me. It's a smack in the face to say, well there's nothing wrong with him, the problem is me, but who knows what it is.

It adds an extra layer of drama to my whole RMC saga that I don't need. I have so many thoughts running through my mind, like he won't want to have a baby now that he has found her, i'm a failure because I can't have a successful pregnancy, how on earth could I cope with another pg/mc in this backdrop, do I want a baby now...The daughter is living in another country, so there is unlikely to be a face to face meeting in the immediate future. I'm putting on a brave and supportive face, but inside, I'm in turmoil and upset. I'm not going into work today, as I'm in tears. I don't want to tell him how I feel because I don't want to put him off communicating with her as he spent a long time looking for her and never found her.

And to top it all off, we have friends coming over for a BBQ tonight and I'm 99% positive that she is going to announce her pg to us. I've had my suspicions about her status for the last 6 weeks, but DH said that they are on a tour of various friends this weekend. So I have to practice my happy face for them, whilst inside I'm crying.

Big hugs LAF - first of all i'm so sorry this is happening at the same time as you dealing with the results from St mary's. Im sure your dh is very aware at how this must make you feel whilst struggling to deal with his own emotions. I dont think for one minute that finding his daughter (how old would she be now?) would be any sort of replacement for starting a family with you. As for assuming the problem is with you because he has proof of his fertility - this is nonsense. You are dealing with this together. It's your shared problem, not one you are dealing with alone. You will get through this. But you should talk to him about this. Don't let any feelings simmer away because it's very important that you both feel that you have each others support.
I have to go now but I couldn't read your post and not respond. I may sound a bit tough love - but I hope you take it in the right way.

LAF I'm not surprised you feel overwhelmed by this situation. You have a lot on your plate emotionally as it is right now and this is bound to feel a little bit close to the bone in your current circumstances. I do agree with what Digital says though and would also add that you shouldn't take this as "proof of his fertility" - I don't think there are many people who have problems with fertility in their teens, so the sentiments of "he can father a child but I'm a failure" is not really justified. Please don't think like this. I know as much as you how easy it is to feel like this but like Digital say, this is something you are dealing with together. It's emotional enough without finding a way of blaming yourself. Communication is really important so that you don't end up feeling unintentionally resentful or sad without him realising what's going on.

As far as the possibility of your friend's impending announcement, that's a tricky one. Does she know of your situation? I've been quite lucky in that my friends always seem to manage to tell me of their pregnancies by phone so I'm then able to go off and deal with how I feel on my own before I actually see them. I don't know how I would deal with a face to face announcement. Perhaps if she does know of your situation she will be sensitive enough to tell you in a low key way at least, and then change the subject. The most difficult thing is when the announcement is over and then everyone starts asking about plans, how she's feeling etc. and you just want to scream "Please just shut up!". I have been in this situation with people I meet on jobs quite often rather than socially, as you have seen me moan about in the past weeks, but it is that much more difficult when it's friends.

Thanks digi and kittens His daughter is 23. I don't know where their relationship will go from here. I've got so many thoughts floating around my head at the moment, I need to compose them before I talk to him about how I feel. I just feel so vulnerable with all of the results coming back and the thought of putting myself through the ringer of a 4th pg in less than 18 months.

My friend had one miscarriage about 18 months ago. She does know my history, but not about DH's situation. I did drop her a line about my results earlier in the week, so I will try and deflect the talk about me tonight. I hate having to talk about my situation with someone who is pregnant. I will try and hold myself together, but God help me, if there is a comment about pregnancy being contagious or something like that.

Hello everyone

lucky so glad your scan went well yesterday.

milky how are you feeling today?

That is a lovely postive story kittens - will give hope to lots of people.

Sorry you're having such a bad time LAF - I don't have any advice other than what has already been said. Hope things start to look up for you soon x

Its been one week since I was told I was going to mc again - and no sign of anything happening yet. I still feel sick and exhausted, and tummy appears to be growing. I'm not sure if I can stand potentially another 2 weeks of it - till a rescan.
The thing that confuses me is that if it is a blighted ovum (although as a yolk sac was seen at one point not sure if it technically is) can this still be caused by a RCM type problem? I've read that they are usually a one-off.
It just seems strange to me that whatever is causing my MC's (if there is anything) has so far caused a late loss at 20 weeks (no reason found), a complete natural mc at 7/8 wks (no pregnancy symptoms) and now this.
I'm sure there must be things that could cause all these but I just don't know what, and I'm not entirely convinced my consultant will either when I see him in 3 months.

iloveblue completely unscientific theory but potentially the loss at 20 weeks set of a chain of events on your body that is 'over protecting' it from pregnancy? Whether this is nk cells or some other anti-bodies you'd only find out by testing. But it's worth looking into.

Oh dear, I'm going a little crazy I think! The steroids, and my hormones, have sent me a bit over the edge these past couple of days and I'm bouncing off the walls, obsessing over whether or not I am pregnant. I suspect I am not as I have been POAS since a couple of days ago with no whisper of a line and am very grumpy and over emotional. I have also been having cramps on and off for 3 days now. BUT, I have also woken up for a wee 3 times before my alarm the last 2 mornings which is triggering all sorts of irrational musings, like you do during the last few days of 2ww. Help me, I'm loosing my mind! Lol! The steroids have made me a bit manic again - a bit like the first cycle, although at least it's not as early as it was then. Only 2 more days to go. I think.

Ended up doing a FR this morning so I could decide whether to stop the steroids early. BFN confirmed - still, at least I can stop the pills. They were sending me up the wall these last 2 days.

Hope you all have a good weekend. I'm off to Suffolk. x

Oh kittens I'm sorry for the bfn .

I'm still waiting for af. I can definitely feel it's about to start. It has to come today - I'm 17dpo, any later and we're in ovarian cyst territory kittens you haven't found the meds lengthen your luteal phase?

Correction, af's here.

LAF I'm so sorry you are going through this I think getting the results back is enough to take on at the moment without everything happening with DH's daughter. I'm sure your husband will understand how you feel, there is no reason why everything that has happened is your fault. Its horrible but unfortunately these things do happen and we are the unfortunately people who have to bear it, it is a horrible place to be in but you are definitely in it together. Also, having your friends round is probably the last thing that you need when you are dealing with all this and I hope that you can get through it without anyone being insensitive. You've been strong for so long I think its probably just all a bit too much at the moment. Good luck for the weekend, let us know how you get on.

Ilove As annoying and painful as this is theres probably no connection at all and its just that you've had horrible luck with all three pregnancies. If this is the situation there is no reason why your next pregnancy will not be successful but I think the only way to put your mind at rest is to have all the tests done so you can try again with confidence. It is a horrible place to be in and I know exactly how you feel but you might feel stronger knowing that there is nothing wrong and if there is there may be some sort of treatment. I can't believe they're waiting another two weeks to rescan you, I thought they'd have done something much quicker than that. If you're feeling uncomfortable with it I would ring your midwife or EPU.x

I'm very sorry for the BFN kittens, you did seem to be doing much better on the steroids this time but it obviously caught up with you near the end of the month. I hope you're feeling okay, I can't imagine all the hormones are helping. Take care of yourself and have a nice weekend in suffolk. X

milky will be thinking of you on Monday, let us know how you get on.

If you're reading hairy I've been thinking about how you are, I hope everything is okay, let us know how you're getting on.

It was my due date yesterday and I strangely felt quite relaxed and okay about it. I think because I delivered my baby and said goodbye to him in January it just felt like a date rather than anything else more significant, I miss him every day and wish so much that he could be with us but yesterday didn't feel any different than any other day.

Hope everyone is doing okay. have a nice weekend x

hello everyone, it has been such a rubbish last few days. On top of all of the other drama, the dog that I've been looking after on Saturday mornings for the last four years died too. You honestly couldn't make it all up.

My friends came over and as expected, the pg was announced. I don't know how I held it all together, I nearly ran crying from the room, when she said that they were hoping that I'd get pg so their baby would have someone to play with. I just welled up and didn't say anything. It's hard to listen to all of the happy talk of plans for a baby when I feel like I'm staring into a black hole. I've had my suspicions about her pg for many weeks, but I haven't said anything because I realise after 3 failed pgs, that you don't want to talk about it until you are ready.

DH thinks that I can always find a reason to be negative about anything. I broke down in great sobs on Saturday morning with all of the pressure. I told him that I've had a lot to cope with this week. He said that I was being stupid to think that him finding his daughter will replace us having a family. He thought that I was jealous (!) of my friend for being pg. I told him that I'm not jealous, I'm just sad that I can't have a baby. He said that I haven't had a baby, not can't, but it feels like can't to me. He doesn't have an easy way of comforting me when I need it, I have to say.

I'm just so fragile. He's taken a new job and will be working away from home in 3 weeks. My thought process is that he's got a new job away from home, his daughter and her mother are back in his life and somehow they'll all end up re-connecting and being a happy family somewhere else, whilst I'm left alone. I have to prepare myself for the worst case scenarios because that seems to be what comes about. I should be happy for him that he's found his daughter again as I know he has wanted to know about her for a long time, it is just spectacularly bad timing for me.

End of my moaning.

kittens and digital sorry that AF has come again and another cycle hasn't brought the hope of a pg for you both.

Iloveblue hopefully, since you are feeling symptoms things are progressing OK. do you really have to wait another 2 weeks for a scan?

milky hope you are feeling better. thinking of you for your scan tomorrow.

justmee when are you due?

knitter hope you were able to sort out your blood test and go away for the weekend.

Oh LAF I'm so sorry you're feeling like this. Men don't always understand the way we feel but to me you sound completely normal and to be honest if I found out my friend was pregnant I would be as jealous as hell, its hard not to be when its something that you want so much. I don't really know what else to say, just that I understand and I'm sorry you feel so sad. x

Oh LAF what a terrible few days you have had. You are bound to have so many negative emotions going around your head, it is alot to deal with all at once. I din't want to read and not reply to you

It is really hard to be happy for other people when you essentially aren't happy yourself. Men deal with these things so differently from us, it will never be the same. Not knocking men in general, just saying it is hard for them to understand the physical and mental effects that a mc can do let alone multiple mcs.

You are allowed to be fragile. And that fragility is putting that thought process together. You don't need me to tell you that I'm sure your DH loves you very much.

Hope everyone else is ok. Sorry to read of AF for some of you :(

I lurk quite a bit but tend not to post to often, but regularly think of you all :)

xx

LAF I am so sorry for how you are feeling. Men can be stupid with their words sometimes. How you felt after hearing about the news of your friend's pregnancy is completely normal, and I would have been the same. What your husband has said to you about the negativity, really rings a bell to me, as my DH has accused me of the same in the past during some of our heated discussions. I can really just put it down to the fact that no one will ever understand what a woman suffering with all these losses is feeling. I hope you are feeling better this evening. x

lucky I am happy you handled your baby's due date so well. It's always a hard day to get through. Well done for another fab scan too.

digi and kittens Sorry AF arrived. Hope you are both okay.

Iloveblue It could be that all your mc's are unrelated and bad luck, but seeing as blighted ovums are thought to be due to chromosomal abnormalities or quality of the egg, it could be just that. Did you have a PM done for your baby at 20 weeks? Ofcourse, please don't take my word for this, I am just giving my thoughts.

Hope you're recovering well iggi.

I still haven't fully recovered from the flu - I did about about 6 loads of washing and drying and ironing today which left me totally shattered and even more snotty than I was before. I also got an appointment letter for my 20 week scan (if I make it) on Saturday. It is in the same week my baby would have been due and although I knew it would be around the same date, I still had a good little cry. Ever since I found out she was a girl, I just feel so sad - I saw her heart beating slowly at 7 weeks, and she must have been dying then. I just think things like did she feel pain when it stopped beating? I don't know. Unfortunately, I don't have a scan tomorrow, as they couldn't fit me in due to being fully booked, but I'm meeting my MW on Tuesday, so will still be feeling the TLC. My next scan is on the 4th.

Hope everyone is okay. I am so sorry that so many of us are feeling down right now. Maybe the brighter weather will do us all some good :)

Hi everyone - hope you are all okay

I'm sorry you're still feeling so down and having a rough time LAF. You do seem to have had a lot on your plate recently. I hope you start to turn a corner soon and something nice happens instead x

Milky good luck for the next scan. I can totally understand your sadness when thinking about your little girl. I don't know for sure but I'm pretty certain that she wouldn't have felt any pain. Hope you start to feel better soon x

I'm sorry the AF's have appeared digi and kittens - you always think you're prepared for it, but it always feels like another kick in the teeth.

Glad things are still going well lucky - you are my inspiration, as our histories are so similar. x

I've noticed recently that it seems that the 4th pregnancy after 3 consecutive mc's is successful in many cases. Thinking about it, this could be the fact that testing after the 3rd leads to treatment and a successful pregnancy with the 4th, but I've also come across a few ladies recently whose tests have been inconclusive and have still gone on to have a successful 4th. Has anyone else noticed this?

I started spotting yesterday and have had period pains for 2 days so think my body is finally starting to realise this pregnancy is not viable. I was hoping it would be over with last night - but seems to be getting worse today.

I had a bit of a breakthrough yesterday.
My DH has an anxiety disorder which started just after DS2 was born.
He has had quite a few low points over the last 5 years but has had CBT and is much better at dealing with it now. Anyway, he has been on anti-depressants since he was first diagnosed, and is currently on one called Venlafaxine.
One of the first things that went through his mind when we had our late loss was the possibility that it could have been caused by the pills.
We had seen a report on the internet a while before we decided to TTC which said they could cause infertility so DH spoke to his GP who said it was fine and to go ahead with TTC.
We again asked the consultant who dealt with us in hospital after our late loss if the pills could have been a cause and again she said no.

I've put it to the back of my mind recently but was doing a bit of research earlier and found this [http://www.cchrint.org/tag/venlafaxine/ article]].
A study done last year showed that women on Venlafaxine were 110% more likely to miscarry.
Now, I know that the study was done on women and the medication may have a different affect on sperm but it has certainly raised alarm bells for us.
If it has such a massive affect on women then surely it must have a negative affect on sperm too.
He is due to come off them in September, and it is definitely something I will be researching more over the next few weeks.

What does everyone else think?

iloveblue I was on Venlafaxine when I had my second MC... They took me off the drug so quickly when I found out I was PG that the side effects were awful... it was like coming off heroin.. Really was bad... after coming off it and having the second MC I was determined never to go on any antid'S again... I also stopped taking the pill as I want to see what my body was up to, as I was told I would have problems falling PG with my PCOS... but I don?t seem to..

Not at any point did I get told that the medication had any relation to the MC.. But I did have my own thoughts on it.. After the 3rd and 4th MC... i kinda thought that something must have been up and it cant have just been the medication....

Love and hugs to all those that need them...

I'm off for my first scan tomorrow at St Marys... so I'll let you know how it goes... I've been trying to remain positive and upbeat with it all but it?s such a rollercoaster...

I also not thinking about how far along I am as with the last two PG they have dated me at least a week behind what I though as I only have OV to go on as my cycles are never regular... So I think I'm 6 but no doubt they will say I'm five....

Thats interesting steph - thanks for the info.
The study I found about the 110% more likely was only done last year so quite recent I suppose.
How long after you came off the venlafaxine were your 3rd and 4th mc's?

Fingers crossed for your scan tomorrow - i really hope you get some good news x