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How long does it take HRT to start working?

264 replies

higgle · 12/08/2009 11:28

My GP prescribed me Kliofem on Monday, strted taking it yesterday ( Tuesday) my only menopausal problem is hot flushes and they are driving me mad - how long will it take for the effects of the HRT to kick in? desperate to see an improvement. Also does anyone have any good or bad experiences on this drug?

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Jinnty · 15/10/2013 20:21

Hi Missbopeek, ty for replying. I'm not sure why my GP prescribed this one, I have had the usual common problems, hot flashes, night flashes, not sleeping, mood swings etc. My GP made two suggestions, she mentioned an anti depressant which she claimed was showing good results for hot flashes and night sweats, but I didn't want to try these for fear of addiction. She prescribed Tibolone saying she felt these showed best results? Last year I tried a bio natural progest cream that worked for a few months then stopped working. I'm about 12m period free.

MissMartian · 15/10/2013 20:45

I just started HRT today, femoston 2/10. I didn't know what was wrong with me I was so depressed for the whole of the last period. I'm 46 and have had symptoms since I was 41, I actually thought I was probably through the worst of it. A few years ago I had dreadfully heavy periods. Now they are more manageable but every 21 days! My life is quite stressful and to top it I was temping. Temping is probably the very worst thing to be doing, because the hot flushes, brain fog and anxiety make it difficult to learn a new job. Really I was learning a new job every week I worked!!! Last June and July I felt really on top of the world, periods getting lighter, I thought, hey I must be over the worst! But then I started to get nervous and flushie, then lack of sleep, no energy. So I wasn't sure how much was lifestyle stress and how much was the menopause. But I took a few weeks off, couldn't work and things have just been getting worse. It's really sad, at this stage when I am reasonably young, so fit I have a 6 pack, only my 13 year old daughter still at home. Instead of enjoying anything, I'm so sick. Anxiety, hot flushes, hardly able to string a sentence together, sooooo tired and miserable. Instead of feeling, bright, intelligent and a little bit funny, I feel dead. Even yesterday when I somehow gathered myself together and crawled to the doc's I'd a hot flush that lasted the whole appointment, at least she could see it first hand!! Now it's only 8 o'clock in the evening and I've been dying to go to bed since 4pm. How can I have a career and a life with this? I heard it said that menopause is easier with a husband. Well I wouldn't fancy my chances meeting a nice man to marry right now. It's strange how many people have been telling me I'm too young to be going through it, yet lots of ladies here are fairly young, around 41-43, same as when I started. If this HRT doesn't work, could someone just shoot me.

Missbopeep · 15/10/2013 22:00

Jinnty that's not really true saying it has the best results. I don't know what she means by that.

It's one that can be given to women with low libido as it has added androgens, but it's also one that as a side effect can give you more hot flushes. As I said, my friend was swapped to it because normal HRT was making her fibroid grow due to the oestrogen in it.

Tibolone is not 'normal' HRT- it's for women who can't use other sorts or need a type with is better for osteoporosis. Try googling and you should find out more about it.

Missbopeep · 15/10/2013 22:03

here we are Jinnty

www.webmd.boots.com/menopause/menopause-tibolone

Jinnty · 15/10/2013 22:35

Hi and thank you for the link, I've given the taking of HRT some deep thought and I'm still not 100% comfy with it. I did read a few things about it and all I am really looking for is something to stop the hot flashes and night flashes and allow me to sleep without wakening up 8-9 times an night. I don't really think I should be on this one to be honest and I've not had any blood tests or my BP checked. Just told her my symptoms, what its costing and causing me and nothing related to sexual desires or lack thereof..I'm more confused and puzzled. I did feel they should have done some tests or something before I was given there, also experienced some dizzy spells this evenings, these and the headaches are new to me too

and thank you for your views, its good to talk to others going through this and get you *

Missbopeep · 15/10/2013 23:01

Your GP is not doing anything wrong by not doing blood tests- they aren't the norm for anyone in peri- because your hormones will be fluctuating hour by hour and day by day- that's what causes the symptoms.
But you should feel positive about HRT because if you aren't then that in itself may cause anxiety and make your symptoms worse. Research shows that there is little else that helps with hot flushes as well as HRT but if you really aren't happy on it then maybe you could try things like sage tincture, black cohosh or yoga and acupuncture- but these obviously take time and money to try out.

MissMartian · 16/10/2013 00:08

What about FSH levels, surely they indicate ovarian failure and progression towards menopause? I'd blood tests today, for fsh, thyroid, ferratin lots of boxes were ticked. There has to be some way of seeing how near a person is to menopause. They can predict with body changes in puberty, to within a few months when a girl will have the menarche, many different types of girls, just with physical cues, why is menopause such a mystery?

Is it Doctors just haven't focused on it enough yet, for generations women have been embarrassed/reluctant to go into detail about this time. Women are suffering unnecessarily I believe. Men just would not put up with losing so many years of life, at an important age.

Missbopeep · 16/10/2013 08:38

MM- yes those tests are important for some women- if you are under 45 and think you are peri meno then it's important to a) rule out other causes and b) establish the facts so you can be given HRT to avoid osteoporosis.

But if you are in the majority of women who will have the menopause between 45-55, then the NHS simply doesn't have the cash to do routine blood tests- it's not an illness as such.

The point you're missing is that one test alone is not enough because hormones can change day to day- so two tests in a month are needed and maybe the same again a month later.

The point of the tests is not so much to rule in the menopause as to rule out other conditions that have similar symptoms such as thyroid problems.

MissMartian · 16/10/2013 10:33

Yes, menopause is "not an illness". But the degree to which it affects women goes right across the spectrum and it can cause or accelerate a host of other serious illnesses. So it should be treated seriously when a women is suffering or at risk of osteoporosis, depression and a host of other conditions.

I hear some women speaking about their menopause, Sailing through it appears to be the favourite mode of transport. However, I remember those very women several years ago, and they stayed in a lot more, went about with very red faces, which now are lined and with aged skin, some divorced, (surprise surprise). I know myself the Truth is they did not 'sail' through it. Possibly Alzheimers is setting in and they forget what they went through, or they may wish to downplay it. This is part of the problem, women trying to be superwomen, women pretending it didn't affect them, the issue not receiving enough attention in the medical world. Maybe women are embarrassed about it, and not want to advertise the fact they are getting older, I don't really know. But I do know I was not well enough informed before I was 40 and women should be extremely well educated about this inevitable part of being female. If you speak about menopause to women aged 38 even, they think they have until their 50s before they worry about it. Just like I did. I was talking to my sis in law, who is eight years younger than me and her friend, around the same, they knew NOTHING about vaginal atrophy, irregular periods, palpitations. My friend, who is 43 (and peri) and I looked at each other, we were only 2 years older than these women when our symptoms started. Why are women kept in the dark? I would not have put things off til my 40s had I known what a disastrous decade was facing me.

It is shocking how little information/interest some doctors have,. As I said, when I was attending specialists in hospital they said I was too young to have menopausal symptoms at aged 41-43!!! Such rubbish. It should be taken very seriously when menopause affects a woman's quality of life. For NHS to even think of 'saving money' with FSH testing is surely a false economy when you see the other illnesses brought on by not treating menopause properly. And it seriously NEEDS to be treated in lots and lots of cases, my own included.

Women with severe symptoms who wish to be tested, should have some way to show where along the meno path they are. There is not enough research done if we do not in 2013 know how to test this. It's necessary to know where you are along the journey - within a year or so. Then you can have an idea of whether you can face without HRT, another 6-12 months say, or a another 10 years, of bad symptoms. Even though FSH levels fluctuate, once they reach a certain level, you won't ovulate any more, and you are reaching the very end of menstruation - much nearer the end. There are online tests available for less than 10 euros, which can give you some indication. Here in Ireland they do test for FSH on Medical Card / NHS system, you can ask, within reason, for testing quite a few times, along with thyroid and other blood tests.

Missbopeep · 16/10/2013 11:06

MM
I agree with 90% of what you say but TBH it's down to women to educate themselves- the info is out there on the web, there are books about meno and there are meno clinics and gynaes who specialise in meno.

I don't agree with your push for blood tests because my own experience and that of friends shows it's not clear cut.

I had blood tests at one point and was told I was post-meno ( at age 52 ish) Ha! I went on to have regular periods for almost 2 more years. Similarly, my close friend had blood tests that showed she was nowhere near meno ( again aged about 53) and yet a few months later she had her last period.

Online tests are a complete waste of money- they test you on a certain day. My dr told me you need 2 tests- one on day 3 and another half way through your cycle. That gives you 1 reading. This might need to be repeated over many months and each result- considering meno wind-down can last 10 years- could be different.

You can't predict how long your symptoms will last by taking blood. Some women have a lot of symptoms due to oestrogen deficiency, others have none. Some women get through this is a couple of years, others still have symptoms after 20-30 years. So you cannot predict if you can put up with symptoms or take HRT because you would only know with hindsight how long your symptoms lasted.

MissMartian · 16/10/2013 20:05

That's the exact frustration about it. A difficult journey of uncertain length is really a heavy sentence.
I am lucky with my GP but I was shocked at how little help and information was to be had from the 'experts' in the hospital. One guy was about 27, and insisted I wasn't near the menopause, even though my body had different ideas.
Maybe it's something in the water here, but 3 of my friends have been without periods for over a year, they are 47/48, also two Polish ladies I know say they are taking isoflavins and have not had periods for years, they are only 49/50. It is shocking. How can you educate yourself when you could easily be peri at 40, but you didn't know you'd have to think about menopause til you were 50+. Finding information out on the internet means trawling through pages for hours.
Overall it's a raw deal for women when you have these symptoms, to say nothing of calcium going from your bones etc.

Missbopeep · 16/10/2013 21:57

I agree it's frustrating but none of us has a crystal ball!

The normal age of meno is between 45- 56. So your friends who are menopausal at 48-49 are not unusual by any means. I think something like 50% of women are post meno at that age, 80+% are post meno by aged 54 and then the rest are by the time they are 55-56.

There is a lot of info available- books by specialist drs- mine has written a very good book on meno- and the website www.menopausematters.co.uk and the Daisy network for prem menopause.

oscar2tia · 29/10/2013 20:21

Is it me , or has anyone else felt so depressed? I'm still trying out the prempak but going back to gp next week. Life just doesn't seem worth living. The one thing I thought was solid (my marriage), now seems uncertain. Anxiety levels are through the roof. Can anyone offer any advice or suggestions. My problems seem to be more psychological than physical.

Hopeful99 · 30/10/2013 21:44

I wondered if anyone has any experience of femostron ? I was taking elsette duet 1 mg but I bled nearly all the time, quite heavy too! My GP prescribed trimester but I couldn't get them, the pharmacy tried to order but there's a manufacture problem so he gave me femostron. I've been taking them for 2 weeks now and to be honest I feel awful! I've not had bleeding yet but am terribly anxious ( same as before, which is why I went on HRT) I'm very tired, exhausted actually , I feel emotional, like I can't cope and I've had a funny upset stomach and funny head. Maybe Hrt just doesn't suit me or I need to give it longer? My GP says if this type doesn't work he will maybe treat my anxiety and I won't take Hrt . I have suffered for a few years now with very heavy painful periods and had a TCRE to try and sort it out, eventually after about 11 months my periods stopped but I still had the pain each month. I am fed up of feeling Off colour all the time and don't really know what to do next. I was hoping the HRT would help but it now seems as though I'm going to have periods again so my operation was a waste of time! Any advice ladies please??

jolllyrebel · 01/11/2013 11:28

Oscar2tia - please go and see your GP and demand that he/she takes you seriously. I really feel for you. I was feeling pretty rubbish - that slow deterioration over the past 8 years that you put down to feeling older and a bit redundant and past it (I'm 52!) but fortunately we have a locum in our surgery. Get your doctor to do full bloods on you and especially thyroid function. Mine questioned why, but did it anyway to humour me - and the results came back saying that as well as being fully menopausal, my thyroid was packing up on me. Several friends' 'depressions' turned out to be underactive thyroid and they are all so much better now it is being treated. Sounds like it may be the key to your own probs too. In the past 4 months I have been diagnosed coeliac, menopausal and hypoactive thyroid - no wonder I felt rather crap. It seems to me that a lot of what you're feeling is very similar - it's only by asking / demanding ever-so-nicely, that the medics will actually take you seriously. Please do go and find help - I really feel for you - and don't take 'no' for an answer!!! You go, girl!!! Oh, and my lovely locum has prescribed Evorel Sequi patches, started today. Just having her sympathy and a diagnosis of the hypothyroidism - someone listening to me - has made me feel better. Get on that phone to the surgery! Best of luck

speromum · 02/11/2013 21:05

Hiya, feeling much better after reading this thread!
Can now see that other symptoms I have been having , like the night awakening, painful knees( thought it was my way of predicting rain on its way!) are to do with the menopause.
My GP has put me on elleste solo, ( have a coil fitted) and have been on it for a week now, good things like night awakening is less ( or just so shattered that I'm sleeping through anyway) but I'm having a heavier period, which considering I hadn't had one for a couple of months prior to this is a surprise, is this normal? can I expect it to continue for a while? Can I expect my libido to make a reappearance soon?

medezigns · 07/11/2013 13:28

I'm 46 and going through menopause; well at least I have many symptoms. Anyway, I am experiencing depression, fatigue, hard time losing weight etc.... How many of you have used HRT for these symptoms? I'm dying here!!

missbopeep · 07/11/2013 20:28

Med- you might get more posts if you start a new thread because your post might get lost in this one.

Phoebegirl81 · 10/11/2013 22:24

I have been menopausal for 4 years but in the last few months have developed awful night sweats and mood swings. Ok one day and tearful the next. Reluctantly started Elleste duet 1 mg a month ago. Felt so much better very quickly. Then started the green tablets. By the end of these felt very pre menstrual but have not had a bleed. My gp has now given me Elleste conti so i dont have a bleed. But am getting headaches on these and mood is low,feeling anxious. Not sure what to take now!

Hopeful99 · 15/11/2013 21:58

Anyone taking femostron 2/10 please respond I need advice!?? I've been taking them for just 5 weeks which I know isn't long but I feel like I just can't cope! I'm fine on the red ones at the beginning of the pack but almost immediately I start on the creamy coloured ones I start with the most awful anxiety imaginable. Is this normal? I've nearly had to come home from work twice this week and my colleagues have been really worried about me saying I look like I'm on the edge! That's exactly how I have felt. I've been crying at nothing and really do feel like life's not worth living. I've got nothing to worry about, lovely family, good friends, nice lifestyle etc and this anxiety is so out of character I just don't know what to do. I'm waking up with palpitations, and it feels like I've got a lump in my chest and throat and I can't breathe. It feels like I've got really bad asthma. I'm snappy and tearful. I wake in the night with a sense of dread and with my heart pounding. I'm going to the drs on wed but if anyone has any advice please please I would appreciate it?
Thanks,

Missbopeep · 15/11/2013 22:43

If you are taking any drug which doesn't agree with you, go back to the dr!

Was it explained to you what is in the pack? Oestrogen then a progestin which will bring on a period. It's the progestins that often cause side effects- like bad PMT. This is VERY common and something that your dr ought to know about. Go and have a chat and maybe they will prescribe another brand of HRT.

Hopeful99 · 20/11/2013 14:12

Thanks yes I read the info but didn't expect to feel so bad. Been back to drs and he thinks that maybe the anxiety isn't menopausal so he's treating it separately and he's given me Citolapram. I really hope these work. I've read that they can take up to 2weeks to kick in so fingers crossed!

xxPinkyFlynnxx · 16/01/2014 12:59

Hi Im 44 yrs old today started oin PremPak-C after a solid year of flushes that have become a nightmare, no sleep and I am hell to live with, no social life as Im just too tired after working all day. I just wanted the world to swallow me up. Hopefully these tablets will give me a bit of my life back, cant come soon enough for me. Any words of wisdom will help . Any other side effects I should expect? thanks for reading. x Pinky x

Hotpink2 · 16/02/2014 20:27

I am new to this form, thanks to everyone who has posted on here. My life has been miserable over the last 2 years, I was diagnosed with Crohn's in 2004 after given birth to my second child. Crohn's was getting really bad and I was in a lot of pain on different medication, steriods and infusions but it came to the point I had to have surgery. Had my surgery last October a few complication but hey you have to get on with it, I love life to much to sit and whine about my aches and pains but Wow the surgery along with an autoimmune disease has put me into early menopause I'm 43 and was not ready for this. I'v been through quite a bit medically in the last ten years but nothing like this. My superwoman acts smile and get on with it dosent work. The hot flushes(hot showers more like) lack of sleep and feeling old and depressed its suicidal. I'm at a very low point in my life right now started kliogest 2mg on Friday it's 3 days now and no improvement, I need sleep, taking sleeping pills stilnoc 10mg and still night sweats wake me up. Help.

FuckyNell · 16/02/2014 22:52

pinky I had no problems on prempak! apart from sore boobs etc. it made a huge difference to my life. I had no problems at all.

hotpink I would give it a while more. It can take time to settle. The recommended time is 3 months. However if you feel after a month nothing has improved ask for a different hrt. There is a huge choice and there isn't a one size fits all fix :)

Also check www.menopausematters.co.uk out. It's hugely beneficial.