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Meno Belly Question

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Sunswiped · 13/06/2024 07:07

Does anyone have a meno belly that literally looks like a third trimester pregnancy belly?

OP posts:
zaxxon · 18/06/2024 07:34

dunkdemunder · 17/06/2024 21:47

@JinglingSpringbells

We all lose up to 10% of muscle per decade, after 30, so use less energy even when sitting still (unless you're doing lots of weight building exercise.)
You are right. That's why women should be incorporating strength training as their main form of exercise. Lifting HEAVY.

So how heavy is heavy? Where would you start, and how much do you need to build it up to?

dunkdemunder · 18/06/2024 07:54

@Overthemenopause something seems wrong about the nutrition the stir fry recipe stated.
Your lunch has more calories and higher carbs than the egg noodle stir fry.

Maybe the stir fry recipe has an error. 27g pp of carbs for a bowl of noodles seems very low.

I do understand your frustration. Many many of us share it.

All I can say is if you are gaining weight then ultimately you are taking in more energy than you need.

It's not about 'fair'. I know we all want the magic key. Some little nugget of info that makes us go 'aha' and we tweak something and it's all good. Because we feel like we are doing all the right things so it's not fair and it must be something else. But it's not. There is no magic key.

The solution is less energy in than our bodies need if we want to lose weight.
The same energy in as our bodies need if we want to maintain our weight.

So we have to do two things. Boost the amount of energy our bodies use and reduce the amount of energy we consume.

We boost what we use by increasing our metabolism through exercise and building muscle mass. We reduce what we take in by eating less 🙁

And we try to eat hormonal helpful foods that boost our gut biome, don't raise our insulin levels, fuel our bodies to give us every and no empty calories.

I found to do this I needed to cut my intake WAY down. I eat VERY little. Something like 1 poached egg, a couple of slivers of avocado, a couple of cherry tomatoes and a sprinkle of rocket for brunch.
A SMALL salad of some chicken breast, some salad stuff, broccoli with olive oil and balsamic late afternoon. Or a small piece of fish and lots of steamed vegetables. Herbal tea and one soya coffee a day. The odd bit of fruit. I don't drink alcohol.

The meals are tiny. I am used to it now and I'm not really hungry. I lift heavy weights and walk a LOT. If I go out and say it's pizza I'll have 2 small slices. If it's a restaurant I'll have something tiny and a single course. If it's formal I'll eat a little from each course and select the vege and protein. I never eat a meal bigger than about my clenched fist. I don't eat after 4-5pm and don't start again until 10:30/11am unless I'm out socially. I drink a lot of water.

Sounds fucked up. But that's what I found worked after trying every keto, fasting blah blah diet and still gaining weight. It is what it is. Pretty much nothing gets eaten unless it is nutrient dense because I eat so little, every morsel counts.

I read wonsn who train like I do saying they can eat 2000+ calories because they lift heavy and have muscle. I lift heavy and have significantly more muscle than typical for a woman of any age let alone late 50s. I train with a huge 6'4 rugby playing PT who knows what my goals are and is not afraid to push me. But I can't eat much without gaining body fat and as I'm gaining and maintaining muscle my body is getting what it needs from my meagre intake

JinglingSpringbells · 18/06/2024 07:56

Overthemenopause · 17/06/2024 22:45

To break the rest of the day down

150g Skyr
80g frozen fruit
25g seeds

Is 317 k/Cal
31g carbs 23g protein 13g fat

Small avocado
1 celery stick
85g radishes
4 cherry tomatoes
5 pickled onions
100g cucumber
10g feta

414 k/cal
30g carbs 12g protein 32g fat

It is likely the carbs doing it looking at it broken down but it is all within my permitted limits.

Edited

Is the 31gms of carbs in breakfast coming from the fruit and seeds? It sounds like an awful lot of carbs for that.

Likewise, the lunch - how is 10gms of cheese and the rest of it veg coming out at 30gms carbs?

Where are you getting your figures from? Is it an online source?

It doesn't look right to me.

I also don't see how your daily intake as listed is giving you that much fat. You should differentiate between saturated and 'good' fat. Total saturated fat for a woman is supposed to be around 20gms a day. Obviously things like olive oil and avocado are different.

What you have listed if it's accurate would be a maintenance 'diet' for me.
And that's being active- hill walking for an hour a day plus some weights.

I don't calorie count as it's a PITA and very hard to be accurate.

It's very hard to see why you're not losing weight on what you've posted, although it's just one day's food (there's no drink in the list) and we don't know how much exercise you do.

dunkdemunder · 18/06/2024 08:06

@zaxxon
Start at wherever you are and build from there.
I don't do PBs as I'm not interested in what I can lift in a single lift.

I'll do different numbers of reps and weights depending on how I'm feeling

Our bodies are not the same every day. Women in particular. Especially menstruating women fluctuate. It's important to know your body.

But I'm over that now. I have some shoulder niggles so I've backed off a bit to let things settle. generally am around
Shoulder press
2x15kg dumbells10 reps or
2x 17.5kg 6 reps

Bench
40kg 8-10 reps

Single arm row
25kg 19 reps or
30kg 6 reps

Lateral raises
7kg dumbbells

Leg press
100-130kg

That sort of weight level.

Of course there are stronger women and not so strong women but for me, this is heavy

Overthemenopause · 18/06/2024 08:09

JinglingSpringbells · 18/06/2024 07:56

Is the 31gms of carbs in breakfast coming from the fruit and seeds? It sounds like an awful lot of carbs for that.

Likewise, the lunch - how is 10gms of cheese and the rest of it veg coming out at 30gms carbs?

Where are you getting your figures from? Is it an online source?

It doesn't look right to me.

I also don't see how your daily intake as listed is giving you that much fat. You should differentiate between saturated and 'good' fat. Total saturated fat for a woman is supposed to be around 20gms a day. Obviously things like olive oil and avocado are different.

What you have listed if it's accurate would be a maintenance 'diet' for me.
And that's being active- hill walking for an hour a day plus some weights.

I don't calorie count as it's a PITA and very hard to be accurate.

It's very hard to see why you're not losing weight on what you've posted, although it's just one day's food (there's no drink in the list) and we don't know how much exercise you do.

Edited

I'm using an online app to track my diet. Fruit is very carb heavy so it does ring true with the figures I'm being given - you scan the barcode and enter how much you're consuming, the nutritional information comes from the packaging.

Since that day I've cut right back on my fruit consumption and eating more vegetables which is helping.

jackstini · 18/06/2024 08:13

Almost 52, on HRT, 2 kids, c-section apron has grown massively

I walk 10k twice a week but think I need to start doing weights

Only eat between 12-8 generally but probably need to start counting calories and I know I have too much wine

An incorrect HRT prescription (oestrogen only, no progesterone) gave me a very thickened uterus lining. Biopsy thankfully has ruled out cancer but I've now got fibroids so that won't be helping either

user8800 · 18/06/2024 08:17

I'm cc atm
I've lost 1.1kg in a week by sticking to under 1200 calories, but I'm hungry all the time :(
Can't do LC/keto as I have high cholesterol and it caused gall stones last time (bite a well known side effect of weight loss apparently...)
Huge belly, massive boobs, utterly fed up
I need to lose 3 stone :(

user8800 · 18/06/2024 08:18

Oh, and I generally fast 16:8 too :(

Overthemenopause · 18/06/2024 08:25

HRT can lead to water retention which is as heavy as carrying the equivalent around in fat.

BigDahliaFan · 18/06/2024 08:41

I've been doing weights 2 to 3 times a week for a year. I'm 55, probably post menopause, no longer on HRT. I've lost a stone, but I think that is eating less, basically lean protein, a lot more veg, more beans and lentils - brown bread and rice. And getting it into my head that my previously healthy ish meals were just too large. I've pretty much stopped snacking.

Anyway the weights, don't know if it's helped lose weight but I'm more toned and I'm stronger. I can lift things I couldn't before and I'm hoping it's helping with the damage done by untreated high blood pressure.

JinglingSpringbells · 18/06/2024 08:43

Overthemenopause · 18/06/2024 08:09

I'm using an online app to track my diet. Fruit is very carb heavy so it does ring true with the figures I'm being given - you scan the barcode and enter how much you're consuming, the nutritional information comes from the packaging.

Since that day I've cut right back on my fruit consumption and eating more vegetables which is helping.

It doesn't look as if you eat THAT much fruit though. Berries for breakfast, and an apple and a banana. The 'carbs' will be the natural sugar (fructose) although a banana does have carbs.

Have you worked out your basic metabolic rate? (BMR).

Being really honest if the food you've listed is ALL you're eating (no snacks, no sugary drinks, no alcohol) and you've gone from a size 12 to a 16, it doesn't make sense.

Are you also using a tracker for exercise? I was shocked to see that what I think is a very energetic walk - 3 miles- half up hills- only used up around 200cals.

(I'm not trying to lose weight. This was just out of curiosity.)

rewilded · 18/06/2024 08:56

I agree about the cortisol and cardio. Every time I up my cardio with jogging and laps of the pool my body retaliates and I put on weight.

I CAN run and swim well and keep pace with people a lot younger than me but I am in my 50s and have to accept my body does not approve anymore.

Lifting heavy and walking a daily 12k -15k keeps my metabolism fast and the weight off generally.

Overthemenopause · 18/06/2024 08:58

JinglingSpringbells · 18/06/2024 08:43

It doesn't look as if you eat THAT much fruit though. Berries for breakfast, and an apple and a banana. The 'carbs' will be the natural sugar (fructose) although a banana does have carbs.

Have you worked out your basic metabolic rate? (BMR).

Being really honest if the food you've listed is ALL you're eating (no snacks, no sugary drinks, no alcohol) and you've gone from a size 12 to a 16, it doesn't make sense.

Are you also using a tracker for exercise? I was shocked to see that what I think is a very energetic walk - 3 miles- half up hills- only used up around 200cals.

(I'm not trying to lose weight. This was just out of curiosity.)

Yes my BMR is 1690 calories BUT that's based on my age (which isn't a menopausal age) so I chucked my age up to 60 to account for menopause and it's around 1520. I suspect it's mainly water retention for me.

TulipsAndZombies · 18/06/2024 09:37

I’m 41, on HRT, lift heavy, am 5’7” and 12st and my BMR as calculated by fancy scales at the gym is 1591

I can absolutely see that by the time I get to 60 I’ll be eating fistfuls of protein and veg for meals. It’s so depressing.

JinglingSpringbells · 18/06/2024 09:39

Overthemenopause · 18/06/2024 08:58

Yes my BMR is 1690 calories BUT that's based on my age (which isn't a menopausal age) so I chucked my age up to 60 to account for menopause and it's around 1520. I suspect it's mainly water retention for me.

Assume you've had your thyroid checked?

Thegreatgiginthesky · 18/06/2024 10:12

I am 4 years into peri and still have a 24" waist. I think the following is helping at the moment but maybe I am in for a shock in the future:

Zero UPF and only eating whole foods (eat loads of veg - at least 0.5 a plate at every meal) and high protein breakfast
No added sugar, very little bread or starchy carbs, no alcohol. I only eat fruit for pudding unless a special occasion/trip out.
HRT - constant struggle to balance hormones
Strength training (I do Caroline Girvan at home 5 days a week)
No running (I don't enjoy it) but I try to get 9k steps a day

At 5'4" and 50kg I maintain weight on around 1800-1900 calories a day but generally don't calorie count and just eat to hunger including lots of fats like cheese, nuts, evoo.

zaxxon · 18/06/2024 10:13

Thanks @dunkdemunder that's helpful, it gives me something to work towards. I'd like to lift heavier.

That said, if I had to go by the diet you're on as you spelled it out above, I think I'd struggle to lift anything more than a pencil...!

dunkdemunder · 18/06/2024 10:16

zaxxon · 18/06/2024 10:13

Thanks @dunkdemunder that's helpful, it gives me something to work towards. I'd like to lift heavier.

That said, if I had to go by the diet you're on as you spelled it out above, I think I'd struggle to lift anything more than a pencil...!

I thought I would struggle but I'm not. It's all a bit discombobulating and I think we all have to find out through trial and error. I've just completed 120x6 hip thrusts this very minute and feeling strong!

Thegreatgiginthesky · 18/06/2024 10:21

zaxxon · 18/06/2024 07:34

So how heavy is heavy? Where would you start, and how much do you need to build it up to?

Lifting heavy generally means lifting close to failure. For muscle growth you want to do around 3 sets of 6-12 reps (with a break of around 1 min between sets) so that by the time you get to rep 6-10 or so you have to rest.

Once you can easily surpass 12 reps you then need to increase your weights.

CulturalNomad · 18/06/2024 14:18

An incorrect HRT prescription (oestrogen only, no progesterone) gave me a very thickened uterus lining. Biopsy thankfully has ruled out cancer but I've now got fibroids so that won't be helping either

Not the point of this thread, but this is just unacceptable! How is a doctor making a mistake like that?! The same thing happened to a neighbor except she wasn't as "lucky" with her uterine lining and had to have a hysterectomy.

Doesn't exactly fill you with confidence, does it?

AInightingale · 18/06/2024 15:02

A GP also made this mistake with me when I started HRT. He prescribed Evorel oestrogen-only though I have never had any surgery. I got another telephone appt with him and he was a bit blustery and didn't even apologise. All I can think is that particular brand has very similar sounding names for the oestrogen-only and combined forms, but that is absolutely no excuse. It's a bad mistake for a doctor to make.

Gemma5678 · 18/06/2024 15:11

Thegreatgiginthesky · 18/06/2024 10:12

I am 4 years into peri and still have a 24" waist. I think the following is helping at the moment but maybe I am in for a shock in the future:

Zero UPF and only eating whole foods (eat loads of veg - at least 0.5 a plate at every meal) and high protein breakfast
No added sugar, very little bread or starchy carbs, no alcohol. I only eat fruit for pudding unless a special occasion/trip out.
HRT - constant struggle to balance hormones
Strength training (I do Caroline Girvan at home 5 days a week)
No running (I don't enjoy it) but I try to get 9k steps a day

At 5'4" and 50kg I maintain weight on around 1800-1900 calories a day but generally don't calorie count and just eat to hunger including lots of fats like cheese, nuts, evoo.

Your weight & height is exactly the same as mine :-).

I don't count calories at all either but I suppose i'm conscious of what i eat. Lots of veg each day, a huge handful of pistachio nuts and turkey, fish, chicken as my protein in the evening. I don't eat much in the way of carbs day to day but one day a week i treat myself to something not healthy i.e. pizza etc. Oh and i have a glass of wine in the evening which i won't give up as i look forward to it.

I'm likely post menopause now as i'm 56 although with the mini pill i have no periods so its hard to gauge. I've always been slim but haven't always undertaken regular exercise or eaten healthily. These days i prefer cardio several times a week interspaced with body toning i.e. planks.

user3344556 · 18/06/2024 15:52

I just think it's a question of finding what works for you.

I'm 61, 5'4", 48 kilos, stomach still relatively flat, on HRT.

I do still run because I enjoy it. It clears my head and lifts my mood. I'm more careful about what I eat than I used to be, but don't think I eat significantly less. I never count calories and don't rule out any food groups, except that I eat very minimal UPF. I don't eat my first meal until I'm hungry, which can be anywhere from 7am to 3pm. I try to start most meals with vegetables, but I do tend to graze almost all day once I start eating. I tend to eat a lot of small bits of protein, complex carbs, nuts and seeds, kefir yoghurt and some fruit through the day and then whatever we're having for dinner, which includes pasta with some regularity, which we tend to finish around 9. I also like chicken bone broth as a snack and will have a mug or two of that most days.

Have just figured out what I've eaten today-

Was up at 6:30
Cup of tea with a splash of cows milk
Cup of coffee with a little cows milk and a spoonful of double cream
First meal was at 10am
-a couple handful sized amounts of rocket and red pepper with a drizzle of homemade mustard vinaigrette (I make up a batch and keep a jam jar of it in the fridge) followed by a piece of chia rye toast with almond butter
A little later
-a few spoonfuls of kefir yoghurt with a handful of Dove's Farm Ancient Grains flakes, a nectarine, some raspberries and few sunflower seeds
A little later
-several olives, a few almonds, a few sultanas
A little later
-a small portion of leftover salad of black barley, broccoli, spinach and hazelnuts, a crumbling of feta, two slices of leftover roast chicken, 2 squares of bottom-of-the-barrel (upf-wise) milk chocolate
-now
A mug of chicken bone broth with a few drops of toasted sesame oil
-We're out for dinner tonight, so will likely have a bit more than usual, including some lovely bread and a cocktail, so won't eat much more before that. Probably another cup of tea with a nectarine and a piece of cheese...

I almost always get in 13,000 steps without the run. Looking at my Garmin, a day with no run and 13,443 steps, I burned 2016 calories. But who knows how accurate that is - I certainly don't.

It certainly doesn't fit into the orthodoxy of how we 'should' eat but seems to work for me.

Nectarinesarenice · 18/06/2024 15:58

Some of these weights are below or only just within the BMI range - I’m not sure it’s necessarily any healthier than being overweight.

Gemma5678 · 18/06/2024 16:24

Nectarinesarenice · 18/06/2024 15:58

Some of these weights are below or only just within the BMI range - I’m not sure it’s necessarily any healthier than being overweight.

We're all very individual and i was just explaining what works for me. I don't 'diet' as such, it's just that this is my body weight and this is the food i eat. What i wanted to show is that i don't count calories, i just try to ensure i eat healthy enough (within reason) at this stage in my life but not deprive myself with so many restrictions. I can't change my weight / BMI - its who i am and i never said it was healthier - it is what it is.