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Husband of 30 years

55 replies

WillTurtle · 28/09/2018 22:08

I don’t recognise my wife after 30 years together and two fantastic late teenage boys. We have lived abroad, live in a nice neighbourhood back in the U.K. now and have a great circle of friends. But my wife’s anxiety over everything is almost unbearable and there is nothing I can say that does not come without a rebuff or comment. Separate beds tonight after another row ... I can’t do right for doing wrong. Any help gratefully received, I fear this might be the end of all that we have built, but there seems to be little that I can do now ... perhaps it’s me and I should just smell the coffee.

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Haireverywhere · 28/09/2018 23:44

Telling her you love her is a minimim requirement of a marriage for most of us. That's not what I meant by support.

Do you have compassion, empathy, do you use a kind voice tone, encourage her to share these worries (as this sounds all new for her if she took everything in her stride before now), are you attuned to her, connected etc? Do you give reassurance, truly listen, try to find work arounds, ways to reduce external worries, offer distraction or cuddles etc?

Haireverywhere · 28/09/2018 23:46

Tears aren't a bad thing if it means she's expressing her feelings. Do you comfort her when she cries?

madcatladyforever · 28/09/2018 23:51

So fresh out of a menopause divorce here. My husband couldn't take it. Shame as we have a lifetime of memories together yet he couldn't be bothered to wait a couple of years for this all to settle down.
The menopause for some is a massive change - I'm through it now but I am not the person I was before, I am better but different.
For me HRT was a saviour but above all I needed understanding and to be left alone to get used to the massive changes that were going on.
It's like turning into someone/something else.
My GP was useless given my time again I'd have looked for a specialist menopause centre for help but it's not all about drugs, this stage will be over and it would be a shame if you didn't have the patience and understanding to wait it out.

WillTurtle · 28/09/2018 23:55

I get it, honestly I do. Warmth, kindnesses, understanding, thinking of each other first have all been the bedrock of our relationship. I get it also that I must try harder, but it’s realy hard when you can not do right for doing wrong, in what you say and do.

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starbrightlight · 28/09/2018 23:55

I agree with Hair, tears show real emotion and a degree of trust. If she was closed to you she would not be crying in front of you.

Your reassurances may not be helping. Sometimes well-meaning reassurances can come across as dismissive of the painful emotions the other person is expressing.

Do you really listen when she talks to you? As in not butt in with comments that deny her feelings but truly listen and show that you understand what she is saying about how she feels?

Haireverywhere · 29/09/2018 00:02

I'm not saying try harder. I'm saying try listening and tuning in. You may be putting energy in the wrong strategies.

WillTurtle · 29/09/2018 00:04

To Hair, Star and Mad, thank you. It’s close to midnight and time to close, little a good nights sleep doesn’t put into perspective. Thank you for seeing past my initial clumsiness ...

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starbrightlight · 29/09/2018 00:06

This: Putting energy in the wrong strategies

I think that is the most common mistake people make when they think they are working on improving their relationship.

He makes her a cup of tea, she wishes he would take her dancing.

HeddaGarbled · 29/09/2018 00:06

Brexit is making me anxious and angry too, and I’m post-menopausal.

Mumsnet can be a really supportive place when we understand what the problem is but you are being a bit vague, a bit Facebook-style-drama-llama (How can it come to this after so much happiness, etc) and a lot stroppy.

Your wife is clearly struggling at the moment. But, I can’t tell whether this is:

  1. She’s experiencing serious mental health difficulties and needs to see a professional

or:

  1. Our relationship is going through a bad patch

or something in between.

What do you think?

PickAChew · 29/09/2018 00:07

Are you more concerned about her or about you? If she's genuinely suffering with anxiety, then you need to support her with seeking help from her gp. If she's pissed off with you, then that doesn't need medical help and may or may not benefit from counselling.

Haireverywhere · 29/09/2018 00:11

@starbrightlight you're so right and it's why some people have failed relationships time and time again never learning that they were working on the right things using the wrong approach for that partner.

QueenoftheNights · 29/09/2018 14:46

My simple advice is suggest she sees her GP for support on menopause. Or she finds a local NHS menopause clinic. But she herself has to feel the need to ask for help which may be hard for her.

I think what you describe is something nearly all marriages go through when the woman reaches menopause. I'm sorry you have had catty replies to a straightforward question.

Have you talked to her about how she feels and how you can help her? Have you actually asked if 'this is the menopause'?
Is she open to trying HRT to help herself?

QueenoftheNights · 29/09/2018 14:48

I think it's a tad uncalled for to make this inot a RELATIONSHIP issue.

This guy is coming here for support. Fair enough?

What would you say if it was a woman coming to ask why her DH was depressed? Would you turn it round and ask why she wan't treating him well?

Menopause and symptoms are due to a hormone issue. Erratic estrogen and low estrogen. Why make it into a guilt trip for the party on the receiving end? Confused

Haireverywhere · 29/09/2018 19:23

PP are right. Sorry I was so heavy handed in the witching hour. I was meaning to give advice about the aspects you CAN control as obviously the hormonal and anxiety element need professional input. Best of luck.

MummaPI · 30/09/2018 18:45

Hi
I think it's nice that advice has been sought. I'm hormonal and I'm not sure how my husband copes with me sometimes so I have sympathy. One thing I will say is, for me personally I just have this overwhelming need to be 'looked after' so for example when I'm at a low point, a simple cup of tea or a bath run or a cuddle and chat while I sob it out and that's lovely.

Its a difficult time for a woman but I do believe it's just as difficult for men to watch us go through it.
Hope that helps

Haireverywhere · 30/09/2018 22:18

I hope he comes back to read the advice.

chockaholic72 · 19/10/2018 07:12

I'm 46 and anxiety is the worst bit for me. I'm single, no kids, (joined MN for the allotment thread!), and what has shocked me the most is that I've gone from a confident, independent woman, to a basket case in the space of six months.

The thing that has made it worse is people who think it's all a fuss about nothing - namely my boss. She can't understand what the problem is, which then makes my anxiety worse, and I ended up in a self-perpetuating cycle of worry and panic attacks. What helped - people being aware of it, and caring, and taking it into consideration. And Prozac. It's a low dose but has made all the difference.

swingofthings · 19/10/2018 07:36

Will turtle I think you coming to post your concerns here, likely to be after you googled to seek info shoes your willingness to help and that you care.

I think, understandably, that many menopausal women forget that it's not just them dealing with the misery of this transition but that our partners do to.

All I can say OP is that your bewildement with her new personality will be the same that she herself is facing. She too won't understand what is happening and will feel as helpless as you trying to not feel and act as she is. She too will hate the person she's become and that will make her feel frustrated as you are. The thing is, she will look up at you to help and that help is to respect that, that's its not her making, that it's not that she doesn't want to be back to the person she was, but that she really feels out of control.

Before it hit me, I was an extremely confident woman, in control, and scared of very little. Then anxiety came like a bolt of thunder. Suddenly I felt anxious about things I would have welcome as a challenge before. As the quality of my sleep deteriorated, I found my ability to cope with anything diminishing on front of my eyes.

Like you my husband didn't like what I became and as he felt helpless and then annoyed, he withdrew from me. When I tried to explain how I felt, he would just tell me what I should do to make things better, all suggestions that I had thought of and tried already, but when I would say this probably on frustration, he would imply that I wasn't trying hard enough and all this did was send me even further down the self loathing path. He said one day that he was withdrawing from me because I wasn't pleasant to be around as I was always miserable. That day, I though our marriage was over.

It was actually me collapsing one day in front of his eyes which frightened him that made him realise I wasn't just feeling sorry for myself. Since then he has been more supportive in that he finally accepts that the menopause is truly a very difficult time to go through. He now knows that when I say I can't sleep nights after nights that it really makes me feel like he does after one bad night over and over again.

The best thing you can do to help your wife is just to be patient and trust that it will get better again. She will get better it just might take some time. Show understanding without telling what she should/could do. Listen and try to imagine what it must be like. Continue to tell her you live her no matter what and do read as much as you can about it so that you gain reassurance that what your wife is experiencing is all but common and normal and is really her hormones making her feel and act as she is not a total change in her personality.

QueenoftheNights · 19/10/2018 08:54

And Prozac. It's a low dose but has made all the difference.

This is not the advised route. meno anxiety is treated with HRT, Prozac is addictive and you should never ever take it long term. Your dr's out of order!

chockaholic72 · 19/10/2018 13:07

@QueenoftheNights I can't currently take HRT as my blood pressure is far too high. I was at risk of losing my job and was being performanced managed - I'm single so don't have a spouse to take up the financial slack. I simply cannot lose my job. I have a mortgage to pay, and the Prozac is working. It's not a long-term fix - it's until I get a date for my local authority's menopause clinic who will be able to work out the hellish mix of PCOS and menopause hormones that I have been saddled with.

I think I'll pay more attention to my female GP than some random off the Internet, thanks.

QueenoftheNights · 19/10/2018 15:18

@chocaholic
The guidelines from NICE are what I am quoting- so they are not some advice by a 'random stranger online'.

FYI high BP is not a contraindication for HRT so whichever doctor told you that is mistaken.

This is a doctor talking about reasons not to use HRT. She mentions the confusion some drs have about high BP and why women can still take it.

24 minutes into this video.

www.menopausedoctor.co.uk/menopause/the-truth-about-the-menopause

If you listen to the whole video you will pick up the message that most GPs do not know much about HRT.

QueenoftheNights · 19/10/2018 15:25

This is the information for GPs . Yours seems to have missed the learning o HRT.

Look at the end of the doc- myths and misconceptions.

www.gp-training.net/training/tutorials/clinical/gynaecology/hrt.htm

HRT is not suitable for women… who have high blood pressure

Not true. Your blood pressure should be treated by your doctor before you start HRT but this is not a reason for not taking HRT.

ignore all of this if you want, because it's been posted by a random on the web Hmm

How rude.

swingofthings · 20/10/2018 07:46

Queen, we know you have a strong view that hrt is the answer for all menopausal women. It might be for the vast majority but it just isn't for all. It is also misleading I think to imply that hrt doesn't come with any risks. It comes with extra risks and extra benefits just as anti-depressants do.

As you know it isn't for me so I need to consider options. My GP has also suggested trying antidepressants as she thinks that sleeping issues are anxiety driven even though I don't feel anxious, at least not as I was 6 months ago.

Her view is that millions of people have been on it and it has helped many. I took some in my 20s so 25 years ago when I went through an emotional difficult time and I was able to stop after a couple of years without much trouble and haven't needed them again for all that time.

I am considering giving a go and see how it goes. If that doesn't do it, I'll pay for private cbd-I but considering the cost, it will have to be the past resort.

MIdgebabe · 20/10/2018 08:01

Reassurances can seem dismissive, be careful of your words. Listen is better than speaking sometimes. Tears need hugs or tissues and waiting with her. Anexiety needs doctors.

QueenoftheNights · 20/10/2018 09:41

Queen, we know you have a strong view that hrt is the answer for all menopausal women. It might be for the vast majority but it just isn't for all

swingofthings Please don't put words into my mouth.

I have never, ever said that HRT is the answer for all women. The posts I've left here are mainly -

1 to suggest women try it if they have no medical reasons not to and to update them on the outdated research from 20 years ago (which is still often the reason women are scared of HRT)

2 to correct any misinformation they have been told (often by drs) so they can make informed choices.

It's very frustrating to hear so often on forums of GPs who are incredibly out of date re menopause and HRT , and in the meantime women are suffering.

It's not so much PRO HRT as PRO correct facts so women can make the best choice for them.