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my best friend is a female GP, I told her I think I'm peri menopausal, she completely dismissed it because I'm 43! What hope do I have of being taken seriously?

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ihatethecold · 20/09/2017 07:26

I'm 43 and adopted so I can't ask birth family for any history of early menopause.
Since I came off the mini pill a year ago my periods have completely changed.
23 day cycle, no pain anymore. Used to be 28/30 days and hideously painful

I have brain fog, my sleeping isn't great anymore, I wake up 2 to 3 times a night feeling unusually hot and I am a person that really feels the cold normally.
I'm having to get up 1 to 2 times a night to have a wee. The volume of wee is unbelievable. I don't drink any liquids after 6 to 7pm so try stop the night visits.

Is there any point seeing my GP?
I feel I will be brushed off.
Should I just try some supplements to help with the night time issues, sleep, heat, wearing!

Any advice is really welcome.

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ihatethecold · 20/09/2017 08:54

I read that peeing a lot at night can be because of a reduction of oestrogen

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Badders08 · 20/09/2017 08:58

Ah sorry I don't mean I'm going about that...i want to go back on my old patches..current ones are irritating my skin

PollyPerky · 20/09/2017 09:08

I read that peeing a lot at night can be because of a reduction of oestrogen

Peeing more can be caused by loss of estrogen but you'd notice this during the day as well. It's the amount you say you are peeing that's worrying. It's because the bladder lining and urethra are more easily irritated by loss of estrogen. But most women say they need to pee more and it's just drops- hardly anything.

Are you at risk from diabetes? Are you overweight or eating a lot of sugar? Inactive?

Peeing huge amounts can be the first sign along with thirst. Have a read online.

ihatethecold · 20/09/2017 09:25

I'm not overweight and I'm active.
2 big dogs to walk twice a day.
I'm not thirsty and only have 1 caffeinated drink a day.

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Discoisabelle · 20/09/2017 10:37

Ihatethecold in my opinion there is nothing wrong asking your friend GP for their opinion or expertise, it is what they have studied and are interested in, i am a psychiatrist and really like to give my views on issues if my friends come to me, as it is something i am passionate about so it comes naturally to talk to my friends about things that i have studied hard for, it doesn't feel like 'work' at all.
I must admit until i went on Vagifem i had the same symptoms of frequent visits to the loo with copious amounts, it all went after a month. Bth i was peri from the age of 42.

ihatethecold · 20/09/2017 10:40

What is Vagifem? Wonder who named that medicine? 😳

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ponzi · 20/09/2017 10:44

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SBGA · 20/09/2017 11:15

http://www.webmd.com/menopause/guide/guide-perimenopause

Your GP friend needs to educate herself!

Teddy1970 · 20/09/2017 11:20

What age did your mum go through menopause OP? That might give you an idea.

ihatethecold · 20/09/2017 11:26

I'm adopted so I have no idea.

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ihatethecold · 20/09/2017 11:29

SBGA
Thanks for the link.
I had to buy lube a few months ago. Sex was becoming uncomfortable at times.

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ihatethecold · 20/09/2017 11:33

Has mumsnet HQ ever had a live chat with a menopause specialist?
There must be loads of us with queries and questions.

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PollyPerky · 20/09/2017 11:42

Best place to look and read OP is www.menopausematters.co.uk
The site is owned and the info is written by Dr Currie who was until recently the chair of the British Menopause Society.

The site is a bit 'disjointed' imo, because some useful stuff is hidden in links within links but it's worth spending a few hours on it all. The Home page has some helpful blog posts by Dr Currie but they are buried at the foot of the page.

BlueButTrue · 20/09/2017 11:49

My sister went through menopause aged 19, so it's not impossible and should be checked out

ihatethecold · 20/09/2017 11:51

Thanks Polly.
Did you used to have a name on here recently that began with M?
I only ask because I was PM'd a few months back with a really useful link to a specialist in London by a poster that had a lot of useful knowledge.

If that's not you please ignore me!

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PollyPerky · 20/09/2017 12:07

No, not me. I've always used this username here.

Willwe · 20/09/2017 12:10

I was certainly peri by 43, your friend shouldn't have dismissed you.

ihatethecold · 20/09/2017 12:20

Omg 19.
That must have been a nightmare for your sister Blue

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LuluandtheNightshade · 20/09/2017 14:22

It is stage and symptoms which characterise peri-menopause, or which warrant further investigation if you are young.

There is quite a strict medical definition of peri-menopause in UK which contrasts with the sometimes somewhat looser definition in general use which is the few years leading up to menopause when women start to notice changes in their periods and experience some symptoms. This is what makes the whole thing confusing

The definition used in the NICE Guidelines on menopause is: “The time in which a woman has irregular cycles of ovulation and menstruation leading up to menopause and continuing until 12 months after her final period (also known as menopausal transition or climacteric)”

This is based on what is known as the STRAW criteria (Stages of Reproductive Ageing Workshop) which categorised these stages from observations of thousands of women to establish certain well-defined stages.

The final stage before peri-menopause is known as the “Late Reproductive Phase” in which ovarian function is maintained but subtle changes in some of the hormones involved begin to take place and in which periods are regular or shortening. This has two sub-stages – and involve differences in some of the other hormones responsible for controlling the menstrual cycle (so in addition to FSH – inhibin, anti-Mullerian hormone – which most of us know nothing about). Specifically the later of the two sub-stages is characterised by the following changes: Women begin to notice (subtle) changes in cycles, Shorter cycles begin, Early follicular phase (Days 2-5) FSH increases and becomes more variable, AMH, Antral follicle count, Inhibin B - low, Subtle changes on flow/length. This phase is when many women begin to experience worsening pms and sometimes even classic menopausal symptoms – hence thinking they are in peri-menopause.

Fine if it is just a question of semantics or definition – but the NICE Guidelines are specific that if a woman experiences unpleasant symptoms having entered peri-menopause then HRT is recommended as the first line of treatment. Some women who start HRT in the late repro phase are surprised when HRT does not work and then give up never to start again. For some though it can work.

So – your doctor friend is right and wrong – right that you are probably not yet in peri-menopause (if based on your cycle) but it probably won’t be long now, wrong that you would be too young if you experienced cycle changes + symptoms whatever age you are.

Some gynaes suggest that women under 50 at this point start the CCP because this will regulate the cycle and prevent the mood swings so worth thinking about. There are a couple of gentler types more suitable for women approaching menopause.

Not wanting to minimise the effect of your symptoms and the need to consult your doc about some of the symptoms you mention.

ihatethecold · 20/09/2017 15:40

Thanks Lulu
That's very informative.

My cycle has consistently become 7 days shorter over the last 9 months.
It's now 23 days every month although this month it's disappeared Confused

I also ovulate earlier in the cycle than I used to, some months I don't think I do ovulate.
I can usually tell by actually considering having a shag and by bodily changes. Blush

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withouttea · 20/09/2017 15:48

I had a very dismissive reaction from a woman GP when I had similar symptoms. It made me feel like an idiot. Ironically I chose her because she is supposed to be my practices lead for women's health. She suggested anti-depressants.

I was a little older - 44. Age 45 seems to be the magic age at which GP's take you seriously for peri menopause symptoms but I've several friends who entered peri menopause earlier. Have a read of the NICE guidelines (my GP didn't follow them - I suppose they can't be on top of everything) and keep going back.

I'm on HRT now and it's really helped with my symptoms. Good luck! Flowers

BlueButTrue · 20/09/2017 20:15

Yes it was quite hard on her OP, but she thankfully had a little girl at 18 so she's not been left completely Childless

ihatethecold · 21/09/2017 10:20

I went for my flu jab this morning and had a quick chat with the nurse.
She advised that I see my gp when she's back from holiday to discuss it further.
Said my bloods that were done earlier in the year were all fine ( thyroid, blood sugar, iron)

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SSYMONDS · 25/09/2017 22:10

I was told I wasn't in peri for 2 years before I went private and found out I had fsh of 137 (should be under 6). I am 42 and have been through the menopause.

It happens, don't let it drop until it's sorted.

ihatethecold · 26/09/2017 07:29

Thanks.
I'm adopted but decided to contact my birth mother last night.
We are not in contact but I had her mobile number so thought I should ask her.
She called me and said she was 38 when her symptoms started. Said she had a dreadful time with it.
She also said she had early onset dementia which at 63 upset me to hear. 😞

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