Week 5 - Autumn Low Carb Bootcamp - Almost half way through!

[BIWIZ]

Welcome to another week!

Here is the Spreadsheet of Fabulousness

I have been a carby twat, I have to confess, but I've been making the most of my last couple of weeks without work. Tomorrow I start my new job, which will also be the first time I've worked for someone other than myself/my own company for over 16 years

So from tomorrow I will have to be more disciplined in all manner of ways - working out what to have for my lunch in an office, rather than just rummaging around in the fridge, planning meals that I can easily cook when I get home from work, etc.

There are now 6 weeks left of this Bootcamp (including this week), so I'm really hoping that I can jettison a good few pounds in this time.

However, firstly there is the matter of the works 'annual conference' that I have been invited to join. On Wednesday I'm off to Marrakech until Friday ...

It's a tough job. Obviously.

Good luck everyone for this week.

Like a few others, I am not losing much actual weight. However, I do FEEL slimmer and lighter. I'm a bit disappointed in the lack of major weightloss and can't decide whether to really go for it and cut out dairy and maybe coffee for a while or just keep on as I am.

Like the sounds of yr slow-cooked pulled pork stuntnun How about buttery green cabbage ribbons or courgette ribbons, or slices of celariac oven-roasted with bit of cream? Just typing that, may be a bit dull but I'm not the most inventive cook! I also have popped back on for recipe advice. Am having family over for later this month eve and in the past have done a huge meat/potato pie with pastry crust so I could do with a low carb replacement that will feed the hoards at not too much expense – something I can bung in the oven and leave. Suggestions gratefully received!
Also, a question. I totally get what everyone means about scales not shifting much and it's the same with me BUT many of us are feeling slimmer and lighter so maybe it shouldn't matter so much (and speaking as one who does get dispiriting, too, to keep seeing the same damn numbers) – and is it because fat weighs less than muscle anyway, so it takes longer to show up on the scales?

For all those who are wavering due to to lack of results on the scales, what is your ultimate goal? Too be physically as thin as possible no matter what the cost, or to be smaller, healthier and enjoy your food? You are complaining about lack of weight lost whilst saying your shape has changed/feel healthier. You are in the middle of the period of adjustment where there is not expected to be any weight loss. BIWI warns of this in her ops. So it really comes down to this are you stuck so much in the short-term view of life that you are not able to step outside and see the bigger picture giving this a proper chance with an entire 10wk introduction which will properly allow you to assess whether this actually works? Stop whining about no weight loss. Stay away from the scales if needed, keep to basic bootcamp for a few more weeks being strict and no cheats, or the strict during week and light at weekend to allow the odd drink. Give this a proper go before you write it off and leave the instant result approach behind. Because that is a hang up from all the approaches you have tried before, instant result with less long term result. You want a long term result it is going to take the time it takes and you never know you might just get a visit from the whoosh fairy in the next couple of weeks.

Googoo how about boeuf bourguignon? With celeriac mash?

You are complaining about lack of weight lost whilst saying your shape has changed/feel healthier.

No I am complaining because my shape has not changed and I don't feel especially healthier either (though that may be unrelated to this woe atm)

Stop whining about no weight loss.

I'm sorry I thought this thread was as much to support those who were struggling as it is to cheer those who are doing well. I'll fuck off then

So back at ya i will throw the questions:
how much water are you drinking? Is it at least the amount suggested for your weight on the spreadsheet?
how far are you from your target weight?
how much sleep are you getting?
what meds are you on?
what week are you on?
Have you cheated even slightly?
How much fat are you eating?
How much stress are you under?

There are so many reasons for not losing weight and there is a hell of a lot of support on this thread. But there is also the feeling that this woe is a short term fix for years. This is a way of eating or more correctly a way of life. And there are so so so many people who will help with this. There are so many good ideas for recipies, so many helpful breaking down of where the problem is. You will get this and you will sort this. BIWI has helped so many as have so many of the other regulars.

And admittedly that previous post was on the harsh side. I could ask for it to be removed but then only aspects of it will be quoted and not all of it so ignore it and ignore my posts if you so chose. the others are more helpful anyway.

NSNS - has BIWI given you the big stick??? - I do agree, this is a WOE not a quick fix. Who was it said upthread - was thinking of going back to a tried-and-tested (WW,SW can't rememebr which) diet ; I did suppress a smile, as these may be tried and tested and work (short-term) but if they worked, we would not need them (more than once) They don't work longterm, as anyone who has done WW or SW knows, that's why so many are on this thread, and others.

Highjinx - not aimed at you at all. Sorry if you are feeling sensitive. Please stay.

I hope not captain with my rampant foot-in-mouth disease i am likely to have upset everyone to the point of there being no one left.

"Highjinx - not aimed at you at all. Sorry if you are feeling sensitive. Please stay." *highjinx -this. it was not meant to be specific and definitely not meant to drive anyone away. Just to highlight that an entire new way of thinking is the hardest part of getting this to work. Please please stay. Promise the others have good advice and might be able to spot something to help you!

(hides)
think newstart has large pole rather than big stick (not meant to sound rude!)
OK maybe NSNS's words were harsh but this WOE does seem to work if you stick with it long term. Look at timidviper captainmummy and others, who've had some amazing results, so I for one am really planning on giving it a good go this time for the full 10 weeks if I can and see where it gets me. Am sure I'll wobble and fall off the wagon further down the road, but am hoping I'll be able to get back on more quickly this time using some of the tips everyone's been giving. I'm truly trying to be supportive here, not preachy, because I need the mutual support too! Hope those wavering stay, get a whoosh – and then support me in a few weeks when I'm probably wavering too!
And NSNS is right in that it's got to be better to look slim/feel slim rather than be a certain weight?
Thanks for recipe idea. Is a good idea – just the expense of all that meat for 14 puts me off (and a few of the little ones don't like mushrooms etc that can bulk it out) Maybe I'll just do something different for me... (and hide my plate when I'm tucking in to a rich beef daube or something and they're all on spuds playing hunt the meat!)

Sorry been so absent for last 2 weeks, RL getting in the way. Had an interview today and have managed to get back to the gym in the last fortnight which always makes me feel better.

Hope everyone is doing well, looks like some fab losses. I have lost a total of 5 lbs since start so not bad as I am a long term LCarber
Can I please be re added to the spreadsheet Willie

If you do it in a slow cooker you could get cheap meat?

I'm glad so many others are really enjoying this woe. I'm also sorry that I'm not enjoying it because I really, really want to. I love not being hungry but I find I am feeling nauseated by the extra fat. Probably too many years of listening to Rosemary Conley et al.

I have tried to follow BIWI's excellent advice pretty much to the letter, even logging how much water I drink to make sure I get enough.

I don't mind if the weight loss is slow if there was something to hang on to like my clothes being loser or feeling healthier but there isn't. Maybe it is a side effect of being ill for the last couple of weeks but I don't feel better at all and that it is making me sensitive. Right now another 5-6 weeks of feeling like this seems like a very long time.

I don't want to start eating carbs again. I don't miss them at all. But I AM struggling with this woe.

Anyway I will keep trying for a while longer and also investigate alternative low carb ways of eating.

*looser not loser

NSNS I think your posts were harsh & although true in your eyes, mean and unsupportive. I don't have time to answer all your queries, but I often drink 4l of water, I haven't cheated once and only do light at weekends, I get enough sleep, have no real stress, although I'm logistically busy and I have lost as I mentioned but I have neither changed shape nor still feel slimmer.

I was the one who mentioned WW and not as a l

Oops, long term thing, but a way to she'd weight more quickly and then switch over to this woe again as I don't feel hungry etc. I am aware it's not a quick fix, but with a lot to Los and body image issues I can't be doing with sts for 3 weeks. I desperately hope that things will move very soon; either shape or weight.

I and others have also been very clear that we WILL stay out the 10 week period, but are feeling low and unmotivated.

Your big stick was not very expertly wielded in terms of supportive motivation. Just so you know.

Ohfuck sorry to hear you are feeling demotivated, I know to sts can be annoying. I have found over the last 18 months of doing this woe properly and light (with a few cheats over holidays etc) I seem to loose then stay the same for a while, then have a whoosh and of I go again.
I try to vary what I eat so I dont get sick of the same food and quite often reduce dairy to help loss more when sts.
I really hope things start to move for you soon, I m sure they will

So today I have had home-made soup for lunch, loads of water and am having roast chicken with veg for dinner.
Am also having a V & T to relax after stressful interview today

Thank you Half

Good post Ohfuck

As Maryz said support is great but a kick up the arse can do us good now and again too and I'm sure it was that spirit in which NSNS posted.

Ohfuck I'm glad you've decided against going back to WW. I have wasted too many years of my life on that sort of crap and would hate to see others do the same. Over those years my weight went up instead of down.

I still have at least 5 stone to lose so, while I have done well to lose 3 stone overall, I still have a long way to go. As I've said before I have wasted most of this year zigzagging up and down but, whereas on SW and WW, that zigzag showed an upward trend, on this, I have lost half a stone, have enjoyed what I have eaten and feel I have taken positive steps to address the eating issues that got me to this weight in the first place. Sometimes I have had weeks with no visible loss in lbs or inches, then to have a sudden whoosh and lose a lump all at once.

I think we all need to be aware that this is not an easy, short term fix but is a healthy, long term change and six weeks, or even ten weeks, is nothing in terms of the years over which most of us have battled with our weight. The weight loss industry has us conditioned to think we should lose weight quickly which is why most people then put it all back on. It took me 25 years to become double the weight I should be, hopefully it will not take me that long to lose it but we all need to be wary of the thought process which tells us we should do it quickly.

Are all the people who are saying 'don't be impatient, lose the weight slowly' actually sts on the scales and with the tape measure for week after week too then?

I would find it easy to say to others 'be patient' if I was slipping into a pair of jeans in the next size down or feeling better than I had in years too.

Quite Highjinx And for the record WW worked for me. I ate healthy food, albeit I felt hungry some days and not others. I lost 2 1/2 stone, felt healthy not deprived and kept the weight off for 7 years, until I got pg, had hyperemesis and ate anything I could keep down for 9 months. 2 bouts of PND didn't help and I had no motivation o do anything.

I understand the loyalty to this woe and I desperately want it to work, but the dismissive criticism of other woe is naive & unhelpful. It worked for me, but I now have 2 children and dont have the time to get to meetings. I also thought that this might be better for my new circumstances (ie no longer able to curb food craving with a ciggie) & age.

Anyhow. I am committed to this and I'm still hopeful for a much publicised whoosh, but it is hard to keep the faith, especially when others are desperate to belittle genuine doubts as to whether this actually suits me.