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Join discussions about low-carb bootcamp plans, meals and progress. Consider speaking to a medical professional before starting any diet.

Low-carb Bootcamps - ongoing chat thread for EVERYONE

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venusandmars · 29/06/2025 08:46

A new thread to gather together those who have been on the most recent short bootcamp, those who were on the previous one, and all those who have followed bootcamp over the years.

It's ongoing chat so there's no spreadsheet. But effective low-carb principles remain the same, and I've copied the rules again at the end of this post. Of course, in ongoing chat most people will be following their own version of boot-camp, not the strict rules. So there may be some fruit (berries, rhubarb etc), some nuts, the odd glass of alcohol. Some may be mixing low-carb with intermittent fasting.

My own ongoing approach is to add in a few healthy carbs (lentils, beetroot, beans) up to one a week - certainly no more often. I think over the long term my body responds well to the change occasionally and I do miss pulses and some veg.

In ingoing chat our goals will vary. Some will be continuing with a stricter approach with a sfecific event approaching or a weight goal in mind; some will be looking for an ongoing and sustainable gentle weight loss; some will be fine with where they are and following this way of eating to avoid the yo-yo of weight gain; and everyone will be appreciating the general support, the reminder to drink all the water, and the fantastic and inspiring recipies and menu ideas.

Whatever you are aiming for, welcome and good luck!

BOOTCAMP RULES
1. Eat three proper meals a day.
You must eat breakfast. It doesn’t have to be a lot, and it doesn’t have to be absolutely first thing, but
you must have something. For the rest of the day, if you’re eating enough food and especially
enough fat, you shouldn’t be hungry between meals. But if you are hungry, eat something. (Hard
boiled eggs make a great snack). After the first two weeks of Bootcamp we will relax this, but these
two weeks are critical in terms of helping you switch easily to a low carb way of eating - and if you
start to feel hungry, it makes things much harder! Eating this way will ensure that your blood sugar
levels are kept stable, which will mean that you are much less likely to experience hunger. A typical
high carbohydrate diet can mean that snacking is a routine part of your day. Once your blood sugar
levels are stable, by eating low carb, you should find that you no longer want to snack. But the rule
of thumb here is ‘if you are hungry, eat!’. (Just make sure you are only choosing low carb snacks, of
course!)"
2. Avoid processed foods.
Focus on pure, natural protein as the basis for your meals - meat/fish/eggs. Things like sausages,
ham, bacon, pre-prepared burgers etc should be avoided as much as possible. You can have them,
but just not at every meal, every day.
3. Eat lots of fat.
Eating fat will not make you fat. Honestly! But it will keep your appetite satisfied, and it sustains your
body’s energy requirements perfectly. Fat does not provoke an insulin spike, unlike carbs which do
(a lot) and protein (a little). Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made
vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet), add mayonnaise
where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Eat fattier cuts of meat – e.g. pork
belly, roast chicken with the skin on and/or eat the fat off your lamb chops. Absolutely no low
fat/light/’Lite’ foods of any kind!
4. Make sure you are eating vegetables and salads with your food.
This is where your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those
vegetables that are on the allowed list. Make sure that you focus on eating those vegetables that are
under 5g carb per 100g, and this will ensure that your carb counts are kept low. You don’t have to
weigh/count carbs – this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you’re new to low
carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how
many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat.
The vegetable carb counter is helpfully colour-coded into green (eat freely), amber (go easy) and red
(best avoided as much as possible), which will help you to make your choices.
5. Be careful about dairy (apart from butter, which is unlimited).
Dairy can impede weight loss for some people. If you are drinking tea/coffee with milk or cream, try
to restrict yourself to max 2 cups per day. There are a lot of carbs in milk, so if you are having
several cups of tea/coffee per day, you will quickly rack up your daily carb count (e.g. 1 medium latte
contains more than 12g carbs!) You may eat cheese but again, don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the
best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. You should choose one
that’s 10% fat – most of the supermarkets have a Greek yoghurt in their premium ranges with this
amount of fat.
6. You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day.
The more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink.
This is from
www.low-carbdiet.co.uk/:
Water is essential to weight loss for those who follow a low carb way of eating. The minimum
consumed in a day should be:
Your Weight----Litres
140lbs-2.5
160lbs-3.0
180lbs-3.0
200lbs-3.5
220lbs-3.5
240lbs-4.0
260lbs-4.5
280lbs-4.5
300lbs-5.0
320lbs-5.5
340lbs-5.5
360lbs-6.0
380lbs-6.5
400lbs-6.5
High levels of ketones in the blood stream can lead to a reduction in ketone production, therefore
being well hydrated could aid in keeping the levels low and ketone production ongoing. Consuming
enough water can have many other positive side effects, e.g. it aids your kidneys with the processing
of protein, reduces the retention of water, helps with preventing constipation, and reduces the levels
of ketones released by your breath, which in-turn will reduce breath odour.
However, drinking a lot of water can mean that you also need to keep an eye on your electrolyte
balance. You need to make sure that you are consuming sufficient sodium and potassium. On a low
carb way of eating, we should eat more salt, so make sure that you are cooking with salt and adding
salt to food, if you like it.
Good, low carb, sources of potassium are spinach (raw), avocado, mushrooms, courgettes and
asparagus, as well as salmon and yoghurt.
7. No alcohol.
Alcohol is the easiest source of fuel for the body to burn, so it will always use this first before it starts
to burn any fat - which is why you need to restrict it, especially in the first two weeks of Bootcamp,
when we are encouraging the body to stop using carbs for its source of fuel and turn to fat-burning
instead. If you really can't do this - at least try and restrict it to the weekend. Vodka with soda is the
best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine.
8. No fruit.
Really. Seriously. Honestly. None at all. Zilch. Nada. After the first two weeks of Bootcamp you will
be able to introduce certain fruits, in moderation, but at this stage fruit is simply too carby. We are
also trying to break the addiction to sweet things, so cutting fruit out is part of this process. If you are
getting all your carbs from vegetables and salad, you will be getting all the nutrients and fibre that
you need.
9. No nuts/seeds.
Although they are a good source of nutrition and contain lots of fat – which is great for us – they also
contain carbohydrate and, because they’re so moreish, you can quickly end up eating a lot of carbs.
When we move to Bootcamp Light, after the first two weeks, you can re-introduce these, but be
careful and go easy.
10. No sugar or artificial sweeteners.
Sugar is an obvious ‘no no’, but artificial sweeteners are also an issue. One of the aims of this way
of eating is to eat pure and natural foods, so including sweeteners is not recommended. Some
people find that artificial sweeteners can impede their weight loss, and there is some suggestion that
your body can respond to sweeteners as if they were sugar, by releasing more insulin - and
therefore laying down fat. Given that the aim of Bootcamp is to help us lose our sweet tooth and
addiction to sweet things, then it is a good idea to avoid sweeteners altogether in this first two
weeks.

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MrsTerryPratchett · 08/10/2025 01:19

venusandmars · 07/10/2025 23:10

Posting here since there is no current bootcamp...

Any wise people know anything about high cholesterol? @BIWI @prettybird @stuntnun @finallyhere and anyone else...

I just got results of a routine blood test and my total cholesterol and LDL are high. My good HDL is also high (not surprising with all the avocados, olive oil, mackerel etc). I really don't want to take statins, unless I really, really have to, and there is no other option and a definite health risk.

The diet advice from the cholesterol nurse is a 3rd of my plate to be wholewheat 'healthy' carbs - brown rice, wholewheat bread, wholewheat pasta... skin on my potatoes etc, lean meats. Plus 0% fat yogurt, cottage cheese, reduced fat cheese, spreads etc. Porridge and banana for breakfast.

I'd really like to know if there's scientific evience about the balance between this way of eating, and 'perceived wisdom'.

I'm determined to try and get the nurse off my back without having to take statins so I may have to deviate from our bootcamp way of life for a few months. I can reduce butter and cream, and reduce dairy - maybe a more vegan approach to LCHF??

It's ironic because my weight is healthy and stable - achieved and maintained through this approach.

How annoying. My uncle did keto for a while and had high cholesterol. I’ve escaped it so far.

I wonder if bumping up fibre (which is what they want with all that brown pasta) with chia, vegetables etc. might help. And eating Mediterranean fats like olive oil would mean you could LCHF. There’s the whole Gascony paradox thing. But I haven’t looked into it.

StuntNun · 08/10/2025 07:49

venusandmars · 07/10/2025 23:10

Posting here since there is no current bootcamp...

Any wise people know anything about high cholesterol? @BIWI @prettybird @stuntnun @finallyhere and anyone else...

I just got results of a routine blood test and my total cholesterol and LDL are high. My good HDL is also high (not surprising with all the avocados, olive oil, mackerel etc). I really don't want to take statins, unless I really, really have to, and there is no other option and a definite health risk.

The diet advice from the cholesterol nurse is a 3rd of my plate to be wholewheat 'healthy' carbs - brown rice, wholewheat bread, wholewheat pasta... skin on my potatoes etc, lean meats. Plus 0% fat yogurt, cottage cheese, reduced fat cheese, spreads etc. Porridge and banana for breakfast.

I'd really like to know if there's scientific evience about the balance between this way of eating, and 'perceived wisdom'.

I'm determined to try and get the nurse off my back without having to take statins so I may have to deviate from our bootcamp way of life for a few months. I can reduce butter and cream, and reduce dairy - maybe a more vegan approach to LCHF??

It's ironic because my weight is healthy and stable - achieved and maintained through this approach.

If you want to PM me with your results then I can take a look at them for you @venusandmars I'm not a medical professional though so you need to make sure that you take on board appropriate medical advice. It's important to look at the ratios and the triglyceride levels to get the full picture - not just the LDL level alone.

Dave Feldman is the expert on the sub-group of low carb followers who have elevated cholesterol levels. https://cholesterolcode.com/

If you want to make any dietary changes, you already know that starting eating bread and pasta again is not going to improve your overall health, especially if it causes weight gain. Go and look at the ingredients of a 0% fat yogurt and I guarantee you won't want to eat that. Another option would be to change some of the saturated fats in your diet to monounsaturated fats such as olive oil, avocado oil and nut oils. Oily fish offer proven heart health benefits so you could look at increasing the amount of fish you eat. It doesn't have to be expensive - tinned salmon or sardines are both good choices.

Don't feel that you have to have a knee-jerk reaction. Do some reading and consider what changes you want to make. If you decide to make some dietary changes then you can ask for another test in a few months time to see whether the numbers are moving in the right direction.

YourFairCyanReader · 08/10/2025 08:42

Have you had this measured in the past for comparison - i.e. do you know it has increased?
As with most things, the ranges used for healthy/too high etc are based on averages. Some people are naturally higher than this and nothing they do will make any difference. I know someone who went through this for years reducing cheese and so on and was always high anyway.

Personally if this was me I wouldn't change my diet. You're a healthy weight and putting on weight could increase your LDL anyway. I definitely wouldn't change without a more detailed consultation and analysis of my results.

Do you exercise already - can you offer this as something to try?

YourFairCyanReader · 08/10/2025 08:47

Interesting article here
https://parade.com/health/why-high-cholesterol-isnt-always-bad-according-to-cardiologists

YourFairCyanReader · 08/10/2025 09:13

Sorry to post again but I actually think you've been given really lazy, blanket approach information and instructions.

For someone with pies, pizza, white bread jn their diet then yes they should change to wholegrain, brown rice etc.

I don't believe someone currently not eating bread should introduce this to their diet, a UPF which would not naturally be in their diet at all. I would ask her for evidence that changing from your current diet to carbs, has been shown to reduce cholesterol.

venusandmars · 08/10/2025 11:53

THANK YOU!! I so appreciate all the prompt and helpful replies.

I agree that I was given lazy generic advice, and not very good advice at that. Particularly since the same nurse saw me last week to take the bloods and knew that I'm not overweight (thank you boot camp for that). I don't have the full results yet (will get a print out on Friday) but HDL is 2.3 and LDL is 5.3 - which is high!

Rest assured I will not be eating bread, processed carbs and never the low fat versions of cheese etc.

I think I do have to take note and be cautious. Less confit duck leg in my menu plans, less butter on my veg and no cream in my coffee. And I'll have to swerve the fabulous IDP moussaka and BIWI's recipe for cheese sauce which is basically double cream and cheese! I also hadn't realised that coconut oil is a saturated fat. If I add in any more carbs/fibre it will be some puy lentils or a few chickpeas or kidney beans. I think chia seeds are OK? So I might add those to my diet.

And I do need to up the exercise, I'm quite active but generally it's a gentle stroll, a lazy swim and a yoga class, nothing that works up a sweat or builds muscle. Time for some weights, perhaps...

I'm off to look at the links and resources you've suggested. And will look at vegan keto ideas too.

I love this woe, and this community, and I also take heed of the results for sake of my own health.

I have an appointment later this week and I'm determined not to walk out with a prescription for statins until I've done everything else first.

Thanks again for the support. Xx

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venusandmars · 08/10/2025 11:53

Oops! On a train and posted twice. Edited to remove it.

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BIWI · 08/10/2025 11:56

I’m not a medic, as you know @venusandmars - but I do know from reading over the years, that advice on cholesterol levels is not always straightforward. Dr Malcolm Kendrick and Zoe Harcombe both write about this.

There is some evidence that higher cholesterol levels can have benefits for older women. Here’s a piece I found this morning:

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9571708/

That said - I’d not dismiss what your nurse is saying/advising, but I’d certainly want to discuss things with her (or actually your GP) a bit more.

Higher Total Cholesterol Concentration May Be Associated with Better Cognitive Performance among Elderly Females - PMC

Background: The brain contains the highest level of cholesterol in the body, and the total amount of serum cholesterol in the blood has a huge impact on brain aging and cognitive performance. However, the association of total serum cholesterol with ...

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9571708/

StuntNun · 08/10/2025 12:23

@venusandmars read up on coconut oil because it is only presumed to be bad because it contains saturated fat. There is some evidence that it raises HDL without raising LDL.

FinallyHere · 09/10/2025 12:03

I’m a happy bunny again, the 1kg that appeared when I changed the battery on my scales has disappeared. Hurrah.

I know what the scales show is ‘just a number’ and how I feel and how my clothes fit really matter. Still very glad to see the back of it.

interestingly (to me anyway) not even a flicker of the fuckits. I was quietly confident if I Loki’s it would disappear again.

meanwhile to the question in hand: does a double expresso (no milk , natch) count as breaking a fast?

asking for a friend 😎

venusandmars · 09/10/2025 20:56

@FinallyHere expresso, not milk? no carbs? I don't think that's breaking a fast.

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FinallyHere · 10/10/2025 09:59

venusandmars · 09/10/2025 20:56

@FinallyHere expresso, not milk? no carbs? I don't think that's breaking a fast.

thanks @venusandmars that's reassuring. It's unusual for me to even think about any kind of coffee on an empty stomach, but hey ho. I think the key for me will be to have it if it really appeals in that moment, but not to let it become a habit otherwise the 'hey, you usually give us an espresso right around now' clamour will start :-)

venusandmars · 20/10/2025 17:59

Thanks to everyone in this community, and especially to those who replied about my cholesterol levels. I have to admit I panicked somewhat (the LDL levels were high) and I even bought a couple of Flora products. They were full of artificial things that my taste buds hated!

Thanks to @StuntNun for your advice not to do anything too hasty. Discussion with the clinic and given all my other bloods / weight / markers they will review in 9 months time.

Given that this woe seems to have worked OK for me, I will stick with it for the next 3 months - being a bit careful to reduce pork belly, confit duck and cheese and increase the avocado, walnuts and sardine (not together!). I plan to have a private cholesterol test after 3 months and will see where things lie then. If my LDL is still very high, I might need another re-think. Then if next summer things have still not improved I may have to consider whether I have some kind of familial hypercholesterolemia and that statins might be the right thing. Until then I will resist!

Anyway, back on an even keel. Dinner tonight is stuffed peppers. Served on buttered courgetti. The filling is minced lamb plus a ragout of tomatoes, garlic and all the left over veg from Sunday lunch: leek, cabbage, a bit of carrot, kale. I blitzed them all up together - an easy way to use the left overs.

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venusandmars · 20/10/2025 18:02

Peppers ready to go in the oven.

Low-carb Bootcamps - ongoing chat thread for EVERYONE
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readyforsunshine · 21/10/2025 07:49

Good morning! I’d like to join having read your friendly thread this morning. I have steadily put on around 2 stone over the last 10 years of suffering with fibromyalgia. I know that I have a poor blood sugar response & previously lost well on dukan so am hoping it may both improve my symptoms & lose a bit of weight. 🤞

SeekingPerspective · 22/10/2025 14:10

readyforsunshine · 21/10/2025 07:49

Good morning! I’d like to join having read your friendly thread this morning. I have steadily put on around 2 stone over the last 10 years of suffering with fibromyalgia. I know that I have a poor blood sugar response & previously lost well on dukan so am hoping it may both improve my symptoms & lose a bit of weight. 🤞

welcome @readyforsunshine Good to have you on board.

We are a tad quiet at the moment, though there is lots to read and catch up on in the existing threads as well in the Spreadsheet of Fabulousness

Hope you find it interesting, and that you can enjoy this way of eating - it has totally transformed my life, after years of struggle i really enjoy eating good quality food.

August 2025 Bootcamp

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1hlJKScntZ78g7eAkaR7hF_uiL0t3WGumIFvHvDAvfJI/edit?usp=sharing

MrsTerryPratchett · 22/10/2025 14:37

readyforsunshine · 21/10/2025 07:49

Good morning! I’d like to join having read your friendly thread this morning. I have steadily put on around 2 stone over the last 10 years of suffering with fibromyalgia. I know that I have a poor blood sugar response & previously lost well on dukan so am hoping it may both improve my symptoms & lose a bit of weight. 🤞

Welcome!

readyforsunshine · 22/10/2025 16:36

Thanks both for the welcome 🙂

LCagain · 23/11/2025 11:05

Anyone else up for some pre/post Xmas accountability? I haven't been here for ages. Still mainly LCHF, the odd break for holidays etc but keep coming back to it as the best way for me to feel healthy and full of energy.

SeekingPerspective · 23/11/2025 19:40

@LCagain Hi, glad to hear from you.

im here , keeping on keeping on low carb because I really feel much better on this way of eating. Always happy to hear from fellow low carbers, it’s just how I eat these days.

LCagain · 23/11/2025 22:08

SeekingPerspective · 23/11/2025 19:40

@LCagain Hi, glad to hear from you.

im here , keeping on keeping on low carb because I really feel much better on this way of eating. Always happy to hear from fellow low carbers, it’s just how I eat these days.

Thank you! I think that's a great way of looking at it - with this WOE as normal and anything else is a deviation from that.

venusandmars · 24/11/2025 12:01

I'd welcome the festive accountability @LCagain

The majority of the time I eat low carb but it is all too easy to find them creeping in, especially if there's more socialising / more alcohol. I don't worry if there's a deliberateness about it (usually once a week or once a fortnight I have something higher carb, e.g. a chilli with beans, or some lentil soup) and if it's healthy stuff, but I still need to work on not dipping my hand into the bowl of crisps. And I'm a sucker for all the M&S nibbly festive party foods!

I've put on about 3lbs in the last couple of months, still within my prefered 'tolerance' range but very close to the top end. It woud be good to lose that before Christmas.

Food today:
B - cheese, ham and beetroot on low carb rye bread
L - chia pudding made with ffgy and kefir; topped with toasted nuts and seeds
D - sausages with stir fry cabbage, red pepper, baby corn, mangetout. Plus buttery spinach and mushrooms

But typing that out I realise I have been lax on the water. Off to get a big glass now.

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LCagain · 24/11/2025 18:43

Hi @venusandmars, nice to see you. Thanks for the water reminder, so much harder when it's cold outside. I like that mindful eating approach, I'm still finding that eating out while veggie is a bit hit and miss so aiming to enjoy it if I eat something more carby and then get back on track.

venusandmars · 26/11/2025 20:42

Food today:
B - coffee with cream
L - left over aubergine parmagiana
D - turkey, ham and leek 'pie' (pastry removed and donated to dh)
Still not enough water

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venusandmars · 27/11/2025 11:23

Going away tonight for our anniversary - dinner is at a seafood restuarant and is full of delicious things and almost no carbs (I'll forgo the dessert). In anticipation we have no lunch planned but have just had brunch - creamy scrambled eggs, bacon, rye bread (with 4g carbs per slice).

I feel like I'm getting back into the swings of things on this woe.

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