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Pre-Christmas Low Carb Bootcamp - the final weigh-in!

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BIWI · 13/12/2021 09:09

Morning all.

Here's the Spreadsheet of Fabulousness for its last outing

I hope it’s been a successful experience for you all - and that the shorter Bootcamp has worked.

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venusandChristmars · 19/12/2021 20:20

@BIWI even after all these bootcamps I can't remember whether you set up a new thread for the ongoing chat or we just carry on here...

Anyway, between the end of this bc and the start of the next I have a very clear maintenance plan. It does include a roast potato on Christmas day, and a very tiny helping of christmas pudding. No cake (haven't made one), no mince pies (usually not very good so easy to resist).

My shopping list includes watercress, salmon, cream cheese, lemon, prawns, peppers, broccoli, forest mushrooms... We're having indian food (home cooked) on Christmas Eve.

I intend to have no other discrepancies than the aforementioned potato and pud. But if I do, I won't be posting them on the continuation thread. I don't think we need lots of confessions and forgiveness. I think we need support and encouragement to keep on going. So I'll post about my successses, the alternative choices I made, the moment when I said 'no thanks' to a carb laden canape.

I'll applaud everyone who posts about a positive choice, or a plan that helps them to minimise the risk and damage.

prettybird · 19/12/2021 22:19

I think we usually just continue on this one.

My planned "aberrations" are a roast potato on Christmas Eve (our "main" Christmas Dinner) and another one on our second one on Christmas Day - but if I recall correctly, I only had half a one last year on Christmas Eve and a quarter of one on Christmas Day. I'll have a small portion of the Danish Rice pudding (hoping that someone wins the almond prize on first serving Xmas Wink).

I'll also allow myself a single mince pie (I do make nice mince pies Xmas Wink) and freeze the rest so that they can only be eaten hot which I don't like So far I've not had a single one of the 39 that I've made - and there's only one left so I'll be making another batch tomorrow. I've made a gazillion sourdough loafs, both for dh and ds and for friends, and not felt the need to have a single slice Halo I know what it tastes like Xmas Smile, so don't need to have more Xmas Wink

I've already made an adapted version of my turkey rolls ("all the taste of Christmas in a single bite" Xmas Grin) using sausage meat and a bit of ground almonds rather than breadcrumbs. Still to try them though as I put them straight in the freezer.

BIWI · 20/12/2021 10:05

We usually just keep chatting on this thread @venusandChristmars.

But, actually, I think I'm going to start a new, 'general Bootcamp chat' thread, so it's not just for people who have been on this Bootcamp.

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BIWI · 20/12/2021 10:38

A really interesting read from Zoe Harcombe about Christmas and weight gain. It's a long piece, so it will have to be in two posts, but worth a read:

Christmas & weight gain
Executive summary

  • The festive period is notorious for weight gain and this phenomenon has been the subject of academic studies.

  • Study 1 in this note (272 adults, UK) encouraged restraint in the intervention group vs ‘approach Christmas as normal’ in the control. The difference in weight after 45 days was 1lb, 0.5kg. Statistically significant, but not significant in the normal use of the word.

  • Study 2 (195 adults, US) looked at gain from pre-holiday (Sept/Oct) to post holiday (Feb/March) and found that the average gain was small, but some gains were large, and weight wasn’t always back to normal post holidays, leading to the risk that gains each year could add up to a weight problem over time.

  • Study 3 (3,725 adults, Europe) found that people gain on average 1.35% of their body weight (that would equate to 2lb in a 140lb person). The sex, age, and country comparisons in this paper were interesting. This study also found that weight tends to fall during the week and rise over the weekend, so avoiding weekend gain could be a productive weight loss strategy all year round.

  • The rest of the note shares my top five tips for avoiding weight gain during this and any other period of celebration.

Introduction

We have looked at a couple of festive season weight studies in previous years. In December 2018, we reviewed a study from Birmingham UK, which was designed to test the effectiveness of a brief behavioural intervention to prevent weight gain over the Christmas holiday period (Ref 1). The researchers recruited 272 adults before Christmas in 2016 and 2017. The intervention group was supposed to exercise restraint in eating and drinking by weighing and photographing all food and drink consumed over an average of 45 days. The control group approached Christmas as normal. The intervention group lost, on average, 0.13kg (130g – that’s the equivalent of a large apple in weight). The control group gained on average 0.37kg (370g – that’s a large steak). The difference in weight change between the two groups was 0.5kg over 45 days. This was statistically significant, but it wasn’t significant by any other meaning of the word. (For examples of conversions, 1lb is 0.45kg; 100lb is 45kg and 100lb is also 7 stone 2lb).

In December 2009, we looked at a study about weight gain between Thanksgiving & New Year (Ref 2). (Our north American friends have a longer period during which things can go awry.) This study was called “A Prospective Study of Holiday Weight Gain” and it was published in the New England Journal of Medicine in March 2000 (Ref 3). 195 adults were weighed four times, 6-8 weeks apart, so that the distinct periods could be reviewed: 1) pre-holiday (from late September/early October to mid-November); 2) holiday period (from mid-November to early/mid-January), and 3) post-holiday (from early or mid-January to late February/early March). A follow up measure of body weight took place with 165 of the adults the following September.

With the caveat of the survey size being small, the findings were as follows:

– The average weight gain during the holiday period was approximately 1lb, but the standard deviation was larger (that’s a measure of the spread of results) – plus or minus 3.3lbs. That means that some people gained over 4lb and some people lost weight.

– During the pre-holiday period, the average gain was about half a pound, but the standard deviation was very similar (c. 3lbs) – a larger range again, therefore.

– During the post-holiday period, there was a tiny average loss – barely one tenth of a pound. This had a standard deviation of plus or minus 2.5lbs, so (if the curve followed a normal distribution) we can say that approximately 70% of people fell into the range of losing just over 2.5lbs or gaining almost this amount.

– Comparing late Feb/March with late Sept/early Oct, the average net weight gain was 1lb, but the variation again was significant – with the standard deviation of approximately 5lbs. Hence some people might have been 4lbs down on the previous autumn and some people 6lbs heavier. There could be even bigger results outside this standard deviation range.

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BIWI · 20/12/2021 10:39

Second half:

A more recent, and larger, study (2020) was called "Weekly, seasonal and holiday body weight fluctuation patterns among individuals engaged in a European multi-centre behavioural weight loss maintenance intervention" and it was published in PLoS One (Ref 4). This was a pan-European study which examined weekly, holiday and seasonal weight fluctuation patterns in 1,421, 1,062 and 1,242 participants respectively.

Within week fluctuations of 0.35% were observed – characterised by weekend weight gain and weekday reduction. That is interesting in itself – we tend to lose weight between Monday and Friday and then gain weight over the weekend. If we could just stop weekend gain, therefore, we could successfully lose weight over time.

Over the Christmas period, weight increased by an average (mean) 1.35%. As an example, if we take a 140lb (10 stone, 63.5kg) person, a gain of 1.35% would be almost 2lb (just under 1kg). Body weight decreased between January and March although it remained at least 0.35% greater than the pre-Christmas weight. Greater weight gain was observed in the UK (1.52%) than Portugal (1.13%), with Denmark somewhere in between (1.29%). Men and women were not significantly different (an average 1.3% gain in men; an average 1.37% gain in women). Participants with a BMI in the obese range (>30) at the start of the study gained more weight, on average, than those with a normal BMI. There was a noticeable age difference with those under 30 gaining on average 1.08% and those over 60 gaining on average 1.40%.

Weight gain is therefore known to be a possibility, if not a likelihood, over the festive period. Here are some top tips for avoiding this, if you don’t want to have to go on a diet in the New Year…

Top tips for eating over the holidays

  1. Keep "Eat real food" as the main principle.

In any articles about what we should eat, my first principle is always “Eat real food.” Avoiding processed food is the single best dietary choice we can make. The festive period features many delicious real foods and thus we can still make these the major part of our diet. Turkey, pigs in blankets (chipolata sausages wrapped in bacon), roast ham, sprouts, carrots, parsnips, smoked salmon, satsumas, cheese, are all available over Christmas and (together) they are nutritious satiating real foods. The beige stuff won't make you feel great, so the more real stuff you can eat the better.

  1. Don't cheat too much; don’t cheat too often; be alert and stay in control.

I have written a few diet books and Phase 3 is the weight maintenance phase. The three tips for Phase 3 are “Don't cheat too much; don’t cheat too often; be alert and stay in control.” We call eating something that is not real food “cheating”. It’s important to see going ‘off piste’ as a cheat and not a treat, as the mindset of treat makes us think that it’s something that is good for us and something we deserve. Chips, ice cream, confectionery, muffins, cookies etc. are not good for us and we deserve better, quite frankly!

  • Don’t cheat too much means have a mince pie, but don’t have 10. Have a mince pie, but don’t have Christmas pudding too.
  • Don’t cheat too often means don’t have a cookie every morning over the festive period and don’t get into the habit of having a dessert every main meal.
  • Be alert and stay in control means just that. Cravings are behind many, if not most, weight problems and they can return astonishingly quickly if you go back to eating things that you’ve not eaten for some time. If you wake up one day and find that you’re craving something, you should avoid that item for a few days to break the pattern before it becomes more difficult to address.

Over the festive period, I would add another tip – don’t cheat too early in each day. Given that cheating will involve carbs, and probably refined ones, you are likely to set off a blood glucose level roller coaster. You might have a croissant for breakfast and go out of the normal blood glucose range, release insulin, dip below the normal blood glucose range, crave something else sweet, have some chocolates and so the cycle continues. This will lead to you craving sweet things every couple of hours throughout the day and you'll end up falling into a carbohydrate-stupor-induced-sleep at bedtime – really not feeling like you've had fun. You may well wake up with a carb 'hangover' and start the roller coaster all over again.

  1. Don’t waste your cheating.

Don't eat something just because it's there or because you've eaten other rubbish that day, so why not eat a bit more. Every cheat that you have should be worth it – something that you really fancy. You should never cheat to the extent that you'll feel stuffed and uncomfortable. Cheating should be a conscious choice and it should feel indulgent. If it is unconscious, mindless and/or it makes you feel guilty – it's not fun, so don't do it.

If you want Christmas pudding and brandy butter – have it. Don't have a dry mince pie thinking that this will satisfy you. You'll only want the Christmas pudding and brandy butter and will probably have this in addition to the mince pie. Make a conscious choice to have what you want; eat it slowly; savour every mouthful and make it worthwhile.

This principle goes hand in hand with dropping the good/bad day mentality. If you cheat with something, don't then think you've blown it and can eat everything and then start again tomorrow. Don't have any day when you eat so much you feel ill. Most weight problems could be resolved by never having a ‘bad’ day again. That’s when we do the most harm.

  1. No mindless eating.

I can easily munch my way through a 100g bar of 85% cocoa content dark chocolate while working at my PC and have absolutely no recollection of having done so. It is so easy to be working on something interesting or watching a film and then to realise that you've obviously just consumed something but have no recollection of having eaten it. What a waste.

Make sure that you are never within reach of junk at any time during the festive period. Home parties usually end up being kitchen based and there are nuts, crisps, cheese cubes etc. on the table. Make sure that any nibbles are well out of your reach. You would be shocked by how much you could mindlessly eat while chatting to other guests. At drinks parties, have one hand on your clutch bag and the other on your drink – no spare hands for the canapés. (Those without a glitzy bag (men?) can stick the spare hand in your pocket or gesticulate with it.)

TV time is the other major risk for mindless eating. Most households have Christmas stuff on the coffee table – more nuts/crisps/chocolates. Don't be within reach of these either. For an extra way to resist temptation, have a glass of water in your hand and you'll find that you mindlessly sip, rather than mindlessly munch, and you'll be wonderfully hydrated by the end of your favourite box set.

  1. Be on high impulse alert.

I used to work for Mars Confectionery (I know - I was young!) There was an entire team of people working in "sales display". Mars, Cadbury and Rowntree were the three UK leaders at the time. All confectionery companies knew that 7 out of 10 confectionery purchases were made on impulse; 7 out of 10! The builder going into the gas/petrol station and habitually buying a Snickers bar and The Sun newspaper each day, was the minority shopper. The majority walked into a petrol station not planning to buy anything and came out with a bag of M&Ms. Ever done that?!

This is why junk is placed at the checkouts and this is why the confectionery racks go alongside the queue to pay in shops. It is all designed to make you buy things that you didn't intend to buy. The sales display team at Mars could even tell you the odds of you buying each different confectionery bar depending on where it was on the brown plastic display rack. They knew where your eyes went first, second, third, what you would be drawn back to and what you would eventually buy. This isn't your choice you know!

This impulse manipulation goes on all year round. The extra challenge at Christmas is that it escalates to an omnipresent level. Did you spot how early the displays in the supermarkets/grocery stores were there for Christmas junk? Desserts, cakes, biscuits, mince pies, chocolates – all looking like such irresistible bargains that we didn’t feel we could leave them on the shelves. The pyramid of 'must have' greets you at the entrance to the store and then, every time you turn into a new aisle, the 'bargains' are on the end displays (the fake food manufacturers pay heavily to get those positions) or they are in bargain-bucket-type-baskets, which you almost fall over in the aisles.

One good thing about Covid-19 has been the removal of nibbles that everyone can dip their hands into. There are no longer nuts and crisps on bar counters (they were there to get us to buy more drinks). Our local post office used to have sherry and mince pies to thank regulars. Not this year. Clinics and hair salons have previously had a festive glass bowl of 'help yourself' chocolates, but that temptation has gone too. These are all helpful steps in managing the impulse risk. But there will still be the racks of junk near tills so go into the outlet well aware that the impulse risks await you and be determined to avoid them. Vow before you enter the gas station not to come out with a confectionery bar. If you don’t, I’m telling you from experience and sales analysis, you have a 7 in 10 chance of leaving with something in your hand and not knowing how that happened.

I really hope that even one of these tips works for you and gives you a good idea for coping with the amount of junk that we're all about to encounter.

It remains to wish you all happy holidays and to say I’ll see you again in the New Year. Most important of all – thank you SO much for your support over the year for what I do. Hopefully I dissect the studies so that you don’t have to and the studies that need dissecting never seem to run out!

Until the next time

All the best - Zoë

References

Ref 1: www.dietandhealthtoday.com/2018/12/weight-gain-over-christmas/
Mason et al. Effectiveness of a brief behavioural intervention to prevent weight gain over the Christmas holiday period: randomised controlled trial. BMJ. 2018. www.bmj.com/content/363/bmj.k4867
Ref 2: www.zoeharcombe.com/2009/12/weight-gain-between-thanksgiving-new-year/
Ref 3: Yanovski et al. A Prospective Study of Holiday Weight Gain. NEJM. 2020. www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejm200003233421206
Ref 4: Turicchi et al. Weekly, seasonal and holiday body weight fluctuation patterns among individuals engaged in a European multi-centre behavioural weight loss maintenance intervention. PLoS One. 2020. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7192384/

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Aderyn21 · 20/12/2021 12:15

Thanks for that Biwi. Am down another 2lb going by today's weigh in and am finding that I really don't want to blow it at Christmas. I've consciously bought a few things that I'm looking forward to at Christmas but have already decided to avoid all the things I'm 'meh' about (which other people love) such as mince pies and Pringles. So I've bought loads of those things (for the kids and guests) and not so much of the things which will tempt me.

The roast potatoes cooked in goose fat will have to prised from my cold dead hands though Grin
(Seriously, I do intend to only make these for Christmas Day and not have several batches to tempt me).

Hope you all are having a good run up to Christmas. Am starting to feel a little bit festive today - mostly by avoiding watching the news and watching nice Christmassy cooking programmes. I watch these every year and am still none the wiser, when it comes to making a nice ham etc

BestIsWest · 20/12/2021 12:59

Thanks BIWI.

I haven’t eaten a mince pie or Christmas pud or cake since we all cane down with Flu on Christmas Day three years ago - not been able to face them since. We threw so much food away that year. Roast potatoes aren’t an issue for me either, I’ve been known to swap them for sprouts which I adore. I do like roast parsnips though.
There are one or two things I’m planning on eating - dessert on Christmas Day and some chocolate but I’m going to make sure it’s good quality chocolate. Crackers might be my other issue. I’ll have to make sure there’s plenty of celery to have with Cheese.

I’ve got couple of events in April that I want to look nice for so that’s keeping me motivated.

venusandChristmars · 20/12/2021 14:50

@Aderyn21 I do that too - I buy foul tasting doritos and horrid ersatz tomato dip, I pack the freezer with crap pastry wrapped nibbles, I get disgusting sweet pre-mixed cocktails. All the things i dislike.

ShagMeRiggins · 20/12/2021 15:04

@StuntNun

I'm so disappointed in Leon. I was on the road today so stopped at a motorway services and ordered their paprika chicken roasted veg salad. Anyway the box I got just had chicken and rice and nothing else so I paid £7.25 for a tiny amount of chicken. Complete waste of money.
That sucks. Sorry, I have nothing more valuable, insightful, or comforting to add.

Did you complain (“rice is not a vegetable!”) or were you well on your way before you realised the disappointment? Flowers

ShagMeRiggins · 20/12/2021 15:24

Thanks for the book info, BIWI. Interesting.

All well here despite a dip last week (mentally, not LCHF-related), and though my scales are telling me I’m STS, my body (especially my belly and face) is telling me otherwise.

Spent an hour or so in Waitrose today, which is one of my “happy places.” Grin

ShagMeRiggins · 22/12/2021 08:53

Is this thing on? Grin

prettybird · 22/12/2021 09:13

11st 7lb this morning - only a 1/4lb to go to my revisedXmas Wink target Xmas Grin

I've bought some Lidl de Luxe stuffed olives (one jar stuffed with almonds and the other with dried tomatoes) to have a treat to nibble on over the Festive Period Xmas Smile

prettybird · 22/12/2021 09:15

@ShagMeRiggins - you're right, this has been a quiet Boot Camp. But I've still felt the support to motivate me - and hear in my head your constant exhortations to drink water Xmas Grin

prettybird · 23/12/2021 09:08

I reached my revised target this morning: 11st 6.25lb Xmas Grin

That's 17lb this Boot Camp (plus the extra weeks) Xmas Smile

I'm only 3.5lb "up" on where I got to this time last year Xmas Wink

Had a lovely cabbage carbonara last night while dh and ds had a spaghetti carbonara. Can't remember who suggested using sliced cabbage as an alternative to the pasta but thank you Smile

Dellabob123 · 23/12/2021 09:37

Well done @prettybird what an achievement!. Enjoy all your hard word!

I’ve been pretty quiet due to continuous colds, but over it now. Didn’t fall off too badly.

Yesterday was my 6 mo th anniversary of LC and I measured myself. Since the start, I’ve lost a total of 11 inches. So chuffed.

This is the time that I start self sabotaging thinking I’ve done it and it’s ok to have chocolate and crisps. Measuring yesterday reaffirmed and resigned my brain as to why I’m doing this.

Hoping to enjoy Christmas dinner with a couple of rosaries and all the veg…and I’m going to love every minute.

@ShagMeRiggins I was in Waitrose doing my big shop yesterday too…not too manic either. First time organised ever!!Grin

Aderyn21 · 23/12/2021 11:14

Well done prettybird, that's brilliant.

ShagMeRiggins · 23/12/2021 13:21

“Hoping to enjoy Christmas dinner with a couple of rosaries and all the veg…and I’m going to love every minute.”

As someone brought up in the Catholic Church, I can’t say I loved rosaries, but to each her own.

Well done on the 11 inches, that’s significant and must feel great, dellabob.

And prettybird excellent work as well. Even revised targets are worth achieving.

WATER WATER WATER!!

Moanranger · 23/12/2021 14:02

So impressed with PPs achievements & resolve. Well done! I have few temptations this year. We had an impromptu party on Tues, & my son is dropping in tomorrow afternoon. DP keeps suggesting we buy various Xmas food items, but why? We will eat whatever food we already have to hand.
Although I am not strictly LCing, My appetite is still quite restricted. Still two meals a day & little or no snacking. I am enjoying a bit of wine, but I always go teetotal in Jan. At which point I will jump right back on it.

Dellabob123 · 23/12/2021 14:02

Grin rosaries
I’d be a lot happier with roasties !

ShagMeRiggins · 23/12/2021 15:34

Moanranger I have always been hugely resistant to Dry January because it’s such a thing and I get soooooo bored hearing about it, but I’m seriously considering it for the first time ever.

Apologies to those who’ve done it in the past. I admire you all, but I’m just perverse about bandwagons.

Very childish, actually! Grin

venusandChristmars · 23/12/2021 15:55

@ShagMeRiggins I think we all have to do what works for our own psychology. All we can do is experiment with different approaches, see what is right at different times.

I slipped in the street on Tuesday and my face smacked on the pavement. I have cut the inside of my mouth and have a bruise on my lip (I look like I've got a permanent 5 o'clock shadow), and I've wrenched my shoulder / arm / neck. I felt such a fool sprawling there on the ground! Now I'm achy and sore.

Now I've got family members have 'a cold' [eek!!]. LFTs have been negative but 2 have gone for PCRs just in case, and we are all anxiously waiting for the results to find out what our Christmas will be like. Of course I am now imagining that my aching body parts are related to illness rather than my fall...

Lovely smoked salmon and cream cheese salad for lunch perked me up though Grin

BIWI · 23/12/2021 18:08

Ow, ow, ow!

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StuntNun · 23/12/2021 18:23

@ShagMeRiggins DH and I rebelled this year and did dry February instead. No bandwagon and it's three days shorter! We do two or three dry months a year. It's actually much easier than you think it's going to be.

Andi2020 · 23/12/2021 19:21

Happy xmas everyone and looking forward to the new bootcamp

ShagMeRiggins · 23/12/2021 20:28

venus that absolutely sucks. (Though you probably can’t.)**

Honestly StuntNun I know I can easily do it. I’m just ornery! Perhaps I shall rebel with 28 days as well.

**Flowers very sorry, very bad joke

(Is anyone else in emoji hell? When your insertion point is clearly at the end of your line but the emoji gallops its way to the beginning of the sentence? Will check out Site Stuff because it’s really cheesing me off!