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Low-carb bootcamp

Join discussions about low-carb bootcamp plans, meals and progress. Consider speaking to a medical professional before starting any diet.

Preparing for Bootcamp - starting on Monday 9 October!

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BIWI · 06/10/2017 09:06

Lots of people have signed up for this one - no doubt thinking about Christmas and squeezing into that little black dress!

So in advance, here's some stuff to think about so you can get planning over the weekend.

1- How long is Bootcamp?

Bootcamp lasts for 10 weeks, so our final weigh-in will be Monday 18 December.

The first two weeks of Bootcamp are the strictest, to help you shift your body away from burning carbs for fuel, to burning fat for fuel.

After the two weeks are up, you can move to Bootcamp Light, which is a little bit more relaxed. If, though, strict Bootcamp is working for you, you can stay on that. Or you can do a hybrid, following Bootcamp during the week but switching to Bootcamp Light at the weekend.

2 - Bootcamp should be easy to follow

There is absolutely no need to weigh anything, or count the carbs in anything. Nor do we count calories. Just follow the rules (only 10 of them!) and you will be fine.

Low carbing isn't the easiest WOE (way of eating), because our contemporary diet is built around carbs. Just take a look at any high street coffee shop or takeaway - all carb central!

And you may find the first few days tough going, until your body adjusts, but once you're into it, it's a simple plan. It's made that way because I'm a lazy arse who can't be bothered with all that weighing and counting!

3 - Foods that you're not allowed to eat during Bootcamp

Absolutely NONE of the following:

pasta/noodles
rice
bread (in any form - so no wraps, bagels, pittas, naans, chapattis, etc)
barley/oats/quinoa (or other grains)
flour
cake/muffins/brownies/flapjacks
potatoes
other sweet vegetables - especially sweet potatoes/sweetcorn (the clue is in the name!)
pulses/legumes (e.g. peas, lentils, chickpeas, kidney beans etc)
balsamic vinegar (it's made differently from other vinegars and is very high in carbs - wine vinegar is fine)

4 - Well what can I eat then?!

We're aiming to switch the ratio of macronutrients from carbs:protein:fat to fat:protein:carbs.

This is a high fat diet. This is something that blows most people's minds when they first start out low carbing. We've been told for the last 30-40 years that fat is bad for us, but this simply isn't true. It's a claim that was initially based on bad science and given further credence by politicians and the media.

Good sources of fat include olive oil, coconut oil, butter, cheese and cream. You will find that not only will your food taste absolutely delicious, but it's also very satiating. You will not be hungry on a low carb diet!

Other things to include in your diet are fattier cuts of meat and fish. Stop seeking out low fat chicken breast with no skin, and embrace the loveliness of roast chicken with lots of gorgeous crispy skin!

Buy mince with a higher fat content. It will have a much better taste than low fat stuff.

Fry your food rather than grill it, etc.

Your carbs on this WOE will come mainly from vegetables and salad. When I post the spreadsheet on Monday morning you'll see on the tabs at the bottom that there's a list of vegetables and their carb counts - if you stick to veg that's around 4g carbs per 100g or less, you'll be fine. Higher carb veg occasionally is OK.

If you've been used to basing your meals around pasta or rice - which lots of us do, especially if you buy a lot of ready meals, you'll have to re-think your approach to meals/cooking.

Here are some examples of meals that I might cook:

•Roast chicken with roasted vegetables• (e.g. shallots, leeks, fennel, courgettes, peppers, cauliflower). Veg roasted in olive oil, and oil or butter on the chicken skin

Marinated salmon fillets with stir-fried vegetables (salmon marinated for c. 20-30 minutes in olive oil, with garlic, ginger, soy sauce, lemon juice and Chinese 5 spice powder); veg could include mange tout, shallots, baby sweetcorn, celery.

... or serve it with egg fried 'rice' made from cauliflower

This is really easy and tastes surprisingly good - trust me! I resisted cauliflower rice for a long time, because I thought it would have too strong a cauliflower taste, but I was wrong.

To make this, separate the florets of a cauliflower, wash them, and then either pulse in a food processor until it's blitzed into small rice-like pieces, or use a box grater (this way is a bit messy, but works well if you don't have a food processor). In a wok or large frying pan, fry this in some light oil or coconut oil. It's all cooked through, which won't take long, push it all to the edges of the pan, and then in the 'hole' in the middle, add a little bit more oil, and then pour in a beaten egg. Let it set a little bit, and then stir it through the cauliflower, so it forms shreds

Shepherds pie made with high fat mince, and using celeriac mash for the topping

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Veryflummoxed · 08/10/2017 08:14

once there was a signing up thread which is where all the names came from. If you’re not ready to start tomorrow I suggest* you follow the new thread (which will start tomorrow). This will give you lots of ideas as to what we’re eating and you’ll see how we’re getting on. You can then jump in at any time you feel ready.* You won’t need to wait till next bootcamp

Veryflummoxed · 08/10/2017 08:16

Cross post with BIWI and another bold fail.

BIWI · 08/10/2017 08:16

Good post by @StuntNun!

Which reminds me ...

...weighing:

Although the spreadsheet is for you to post your weight losses, you don't actually have to weigh.

If you don't want to, you don't have to be on the spreadsheet at all.

Some people don't want to admit their weight, but like to be on the spreadsheet, so that there's a record of their losses - in which case, they start at 100, and then take a point off for every pound they lose.

So, if you start tomorrow at 100, and then on the following Monday have a 3lb loss to record, you'd post 97.

If you are going to weigh, then you have several options:

  1. Daily weighing
Some people like to do this, because it keeps them focused and on track. However, your weight fluctuates naturally, so even if you've been super strict, you may see an apparent random increase when you're expecting to see a loss. If you can't cope with this, then daily weighing isn't for you!

If you do decide to weigh daily (I do this - I always know when I'm slipping off the wagon when I stop Blush), then the only time there's any point in doing this is first thing in the morning, naked, after you've been to the loo. If you weigh yourself at other points during the day, all you're doing is weighing what you've eaten and drunk.

  1. Weekly weighing
The spreadsheet is set up for weekly weighing, and this can be a really motivating way to record your losses. A week can seem a long time, so it's good to see what's happening on a fairly regular basis.
  1. Best weekly weight loss
Some people like to weigh every day, but then take the lowest weight for the week and record that as their weekly weigh-in. This sort of evens out the daily fluctuations
  1. Average weekly weight loss
This is a different way of doing this - weigh daily and then take the average weight for the week

However, you don't have to weigh at all

Some people find this can become too obsessive, in which case chuck the scales away!

Also, the scales don't always reflect what's going on in your body. As StuntNun explained above, you might have lost fat but your body holds on to water, so your weight won't change. However, your body shape may change - water and fat have different densities, I presume!

Domestic scales may not be the most accurate either. If you have them on carpet, then they may not work properly (you can buy bathroom scales that work on carpet, but you do have to seek these out). When the batteries are running low, they can also give false readings.

So a fair few reasons to avoid the scales!

Alternative ways to record your progress

  1. Take your measurements - bust, upper arm, waist, hips, upper thigh, calf, etc. Repeat these every week instead of your weekly weigh-in
  1. Clothing - find an item of clothing that a bit small for you - if you're currently a size 18, find something in your wardrobe that's a size 16, and try this on every week
  1. Selfies - if you can bear it (!), take a selfie each Monday, wearing the same outfit (or naked, if you're brave).
  1. Just seeing how well your clothes are fitting! One of the things I found very hard when I lost a couple of stones, was that my shape seemed to change consistently all over - so just looking at myself in the mirror was sometimes frustrating I didn't seem to look any different (on a week by week basis, obviously!). But suddenly finding that I could do the zip up on my jeans easily rather than struggling was much more telling!
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HippadoppaloppaGammeldag · 08/10/2017 08:17

There was sign up thread in Chat a week or so ago. That's probably where it's come from.

Welcome to all the newbies, don't lurk or be afraid to post, just go for it and you will be welcomed in. That's what I found on the last Bootcamp anyway. Everyone is lovely and supportive and knowledgeable.

I'm all in the mindset to go go go on Bootcamp now. I'm aiming for 1lb a week so that should be 10lbs before xmas. Eeep, let's get going!

ilovecherries · 08/10/2017 08:17

Once, not twisting your arm by any means, but just to say that last bootcamp I didn't know about bootcamp till about 10 pm the night before, when I saw the onversation in actives. I hadn't even been thinking about low carb. I decided that I had water in the tap and eggs and cheese in the fridge and that would get me started. 40 lbs down.....:) it's possible if you do want to give it a go.

Grah, I have in the past suffered terribly with keto itch/rash and it does come back if I go particularly low carb. Egg fast was a mistake I won't try again! But this is different, only on areas where there is significant fat loss and where the skin looks thinner I do end up with a rash, but its skin trauma from scratching. I don't think this is keto related this time, I think it's losing weight that's doing it.

BIWI · 08/10/2017 08:20

*And I'd like to introduce you all to the very inspiring Bootcamp recipe thread

There are some great recipes here - if ever you find yourself stuck for what to cook, or getting bored with your menus, come and have a browse through this.

If you have any recipes you want to share, this is the place to do it! (Although the thread is almost full, so I have to think about starting a second one)

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Stowie3012 · 08/10/2017 08:22

Hi, can I join? Where are the rules please? I've got quite a lot to lose (about 5 stoneConfused) I did this woe a little while ago and did really well but then just gave up, out of stupidity I guess!
Is this ok to do while ttc?
Thanks and hello to everyone Wink

BIWI · 08/10/2017 08:23

@ilovecherries - have you talked to your GP about this, to rule out anything else?

It sounds like you're in a bit of a vicious circle - scratching causing skin trauma, which causes itchiness, which causes scratching ...

Have you tried bathing using E45 bath oil? Ironically, I used to get a lot of dry, itchy skin before I started low carbing - I don't have it now. No idea if it's low carbing or simply the amount of fat and water I consume that has helped this one.

And have you tried antihistamine tablets or cream?

(Apologies if this sounds like teaching granny to suck eggs ... Smile)

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Grimbles · 08/10/2017 08:25

If there is one piece of advice I can offer as a relative noob to this it would be:

DO NOT WEIGH YOURSELF EVERYDAY

I did this and it was a mindfuck! I would fluctuate by about 5/6 lbs a day and get shitty because the diet wasn't working because the scales were all over the place. After about 6 days of up and down, the down number would get lower and then the rollercoaster would start again.

From what I have read on here, having a low reading and bouncing back up slightly is common,. Do not freakout about this!

Also DRINK THE WATER It really does help!

Oncewaswho · 08/10/2017 08:25

Ah, I would have missed the signup thread if it was in Chat, I have that topic hidden.

Still thinking about it, I have already cut carbs considerably but find it hard work for evening meals particularly as I have a fussy family and very little time for cooking (we all go out a lot).

2014newme · 08/10/2017 08:26

Questions
Is it right you can have yoghurt but not milk?

2014newme · 08/10/2017 08:27

Is honey allowed

BIWI · 08/10/2017 08:35

@Stowie3012

I've just posted the rules, a few posts above yours.

Welcome!

And no reason that I'm aware of why you can't do low carbing whilst TTC.

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Grimbles · 08/10/2017 08:36

Full fat Greek yoghurt is allowed, other types can be too carby and sweet. Milk is also quite carby so if it's for tea/coffee a splash is ok but things like lattes and Cappuccino are out. Using a splash of double cream instead of milk is better!

Honey is definately out!

BIWI · 08/10/2017 08:36

@2014newme

Yes, you can have yoghurt, as long as it's full fat. You can have milk, but you need to be very careful about how much. A splash in your tea and coffee is fine, but drinking glasses of it isn't.

And honey definitely isn't allowed - nor is agave syrup or maple syrup, etc - they're all sugar in a different guise.

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Lenl · 08/10/2017 08:39

2014 honey is almost all sugar.

7 weeks I've been doing this woe and this morning I've lost over 15.4lbs! Plus 2.5 inches off my waist. No doubt my weight will bounce up a couple of pounds for a few days as it tends to after a new low but I'm ecstatic. I love what I'm eating, I'm never hungry, and every time I see someone I haven't seen for a few weeks they not only ask if I have lost weight but comment that my skin and hair look great. Looking forward to bootcamp and carrying this on Grin

BIWI · 08/10/2017 08:39

@Oncewaswho

Follow the link I just posted to the Bootcamp recipe thread - that might inspire you!

Also, eating out when you're low carbing is generally a lot easier than if you're trying to follow a low calorie or low fat diet.

Some cuisines are much harder - Thai food in particular - but there are always lower carb options (if not low); and you can ask for substitutions in most restaurants.

I've never not been accommodated by a restaurant when I've asked salad instead of potatoes, for example. Sometimes I've had two starters - one as my actual starter and one as my main course, perhaps with some extra veg or extra salad.

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BIWI · 08/10/2017 08:40

... and why on earth have you hidden _Chat?! You must be missing all kinds of stuff! Grin

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Oncewaswho · 08/10/2017 08:42

Can you use a splash of skimmed milk in tea? I really cannot bear full fat milk in it, have tried so often but it really ruins it. Happy to do full fat everything else.

Thiswillbemyusername · 08/10/2017 08:45

@StuntNun thank you for explaining that to me and it makes perfect sense. I drank 2L of water yesterday I wasn't going to the loo very often which I thought was odd!

Oncewaswho · 08/10/2017 08:46

We don't eat out much, what I mean is that the DCs and I all arrive home about 4.30 then we are in and out to numerous sports and activities, that's what makes planning and cooking hard work.

I have Chat hidden because I'm not interested in about 99% of the threads in it and it drowns out all the more niche topics in Most Active.

SayrraT · 08/10/2017 08:47

once yes, it was from the sign up thread in chat. You can still join, just add your name to the bottom of the list and I'll sort it later.

grimbles I definitely agree with you on drinking water but not about daily weighing. Daily weighing is better for me and helps keep me on track. Everyone will find a measuring regime that suits them whether it's weighing (daily, weekly, monthly, whatever), measurements or pictures.

I like weighing and pictures best, I think my measuring is too variable to be trusted!

Just a thought, do any of the current bcers want to post a progress picture to show the newbies what they can achieve? Or nice graphs of weight loss?

BIWI · 08/10/2017 08:49

For all those of you who are new to low carbing, the other thing that I strongly recommend is that you read about it, so that you get to understand the science behind it. There are lots of resources on the spreadsheet, but one of the best places for you to go is to The Diet Doctor's website

He's been pioneering low carbing for some time, and is hugely knowledgeable and informative, and he manages to make it simple to understand too.

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midsummabreak · 08/10/2017 08:54

Hi, BIWI & everyone, can I join too? Have about 4 stone to lose and would love to feel a bit lighter by Christmas! Thanks for all the fantastic information and posts. Where is spreadsheet?

SayrraT · 08/10/2017 08:55

I'll start, Feb to June this year. Not sure how many lbs but I could check.

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