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Decide It's all over. Want SS to take him.

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Spopssas · 27/10/2023 02:10

I'm a shit mother.

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Greenberg2 · 27/10/2023 05:17

I have insomnia too.

Rather than getting a lawyer involved, which will just cause you more stress than you've got at the moment, would you consider getting support: AA, your GP, a counsellor? I say that as someone who's been seeing my counsellor for a long time. It's not easy to admit all your pain but it gets it out in the end and you're less likely to have to rely on displacement activities like alcohol, food or anger. It also helps you to develop greater compassion for yourself which is what you might need a bit more of in your life???

It sounds like you've been doing a good job with your son as he's doing exactly what teens should be doing at this age - hanging out with his mates. But if you are drinking as much as you say, then it's not going to be easy for him because he will worry a lot about you.

Spopssas · 27/10/2023 05:19

Frequency, I have tried a lot of the decorating. The results prove that I need a professional. Badly. 😀

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KnickersOfDoom · 27/10/2023 05:21

Ps I’m awake and cuddling my cat while drinking tea. I’m fine but my eldest child is going through a tough time

Spopssas · 27/10/2023 05:26

Greenberg2 · 27/10/2023 05:17

I have insomnia too.

Rather than getting a lawyer involved, which will just cause you more stress than you've got at the moment, would you consider getting support: AA, your GP, a counsellor? I say that as someone who's been seeing my counsellor for a long time. It's not easy to admit all your pain but it gets it out in the end and you're less likely to have to rely on displacement activities like alcohol, food or anger. It also helps you to develop greater compassion for yourself which is what you might need a bit more of in your life???

It sounds like you've been doing a good job with your son as he's doing exactly what teens should be doing at this age - hanging out with his mates. But if you are drinking as much as you say, then it's not going to be easy for him because he will worry a lot about you.

That's so kind and interesting. Yes displacement activity probably. I am neurodiverse, OCD and Ptsd. My brother is also recently dx with ODD, dyslexia and ocd. All of this is good. It has confirmed that I am not a fit parent. I accept that now.

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Spopssas · 27/10/2023 05:29

I don't think mothers with severe PTSD are fit to parent. I just wish the 'professionals', lovely though they are, would make a decision about it rather than threaten me. Either properly help me, or remove him.

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Spopssas · 27/10/2023 05:31

She did suggest yoga. lol

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Nosleepforthismum · 27/10/2023 05:33

Your posts remind me of my mum when she’d had a drink around 15 years ago. She’d also be a combination of combative and self pitying. She’s now 8 years sober but she nearly died twice getting there. It sounds as though your teenager is having to look after his younger siblings a lot hence the SS involvement. Sounds very similar to my childhood. If this is alcohol related, your not a shit mum OP, but you are suffering with an illness which has further reaching consequences for your children than you are able to comprehend at this moment. It’s not your fault but I really hope you are able to take the first steps to getting some help. Take care of yourself.

NewHouseShuffle · 27/10/2023 05:39

It sounds like you've been through a lot and are continuing to go through a hard time. Can i gently recommend that you look into EMDR therapy for the PTSD?

Sheisready · 27/10/2023 05:46

Your posts remind me of my mum when she’d had a drink around 15 years ago. She’d also be a combination of combative and self pitying

Yes, only it’s more than 15 years for me.

Greenberg2 · 27/10/2023 05:49

Spopssas · 27/10/2023 05:31

She did suggest yoga. lol

I know that it sounds ridiculous but actually one of the leading lights of trauma psychology has said that yoga is one of the best ways to treat PTSD. It helps to rewire the brain apparently. I do pilates and tai chi, which are pretty similar, and it does really help my mental health. I can understand if it's not for you then it seems bonkers though.

You say SSs should help you, what kind of help are you looking for? If they can't provide it can they signpost you to any organisations that would help?

I am ND and suffer from childhood PTSD, which is more to do with long term neglect and abuse rather than the type that results from one off incidents. It is really hard to manage these without getting some kind of support.

OCD is really difficult to manage - is it the checking type or the intrusive thoughts type? Getting help for your PTSD - trauma therapy, EMDR etc - would probably help with the OCD.

Spopssas · 27/10/2023 05:53

Nosleepforthismum · 27/10/2023 05:33

Your posts remind me of my mum when she’d had a drink around 15 years ago. She’d also be a combination of combative and self pitying. She’s now 8 years sober but she nearly died twice getting there. It sounds as though your teenager is having to look after his younger siblings a lot hence the SS involvement. Sounds very similar to my childhood. If this is alcohol related, your not a shit mum OP, but you are suffering with an illness which has further reaching consequences for your children than you are able to comprehend at this moment. It’s not your fault but I really hope you are able to take the first steps to getting some help. Take care of yourself.

I'm sorry your mum went through that and you too.

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Bobtheamazinggingerdog · 27/10/2023 05:55

How old are your kids? If you only have a teenager then social services will not be 'taking him away' unless things at home are REALLY really bad which it doesn't sound like. Do you actually have a social worker or just a family support worker? I get the feeling you're catastrophising what she's saying. Also taking the referral to young carers personally as an attack for some reason? It's really not. It's for all kids and young people whose parent/s have some additional needs of some kind. It doesn't imply poor parenting.

stickssss · 27/10/2023 06:00

Hi OP, sounds like things are really tough right now, and I'm sorry you're feeling judged and unsupported by the professional with the word support in their job title.

It does sound like you have an alcohol dependency. I wonder if there is a local drug and alcohol service near you that you could talk to about what alcohol dependency is, and what it means to you?

If you've been drinking daily for a long time your body will need a certain amount of alcohol for you to not enter withdrawal. You can't stop drinking completely immediately, this is really dangerous and you could become very unwell. Drink just enough, at what is a maintenance level, to stop withdrawal symptoms, such as sweating, shaking, palpitations etc.

You need the psychological support from someone experienced in addiction as this is often harder to manage and change than the physical need. Alcohol is an unhelpful friend that lulls you into thinking it can help you. It can't, as another poster said, it is a depressant and will make you feel worse. Please seek support from AA, but also professional and medical advice and look at a reduction plan.

I'm a CP social worker and no way would I consider removing what sounds like a teen from you, unless there is significant impact on him that can be evidenced. I would look at a network safety plan for him. Who can step in and care for him if you want to get intoxicated? Who are the safe and sober adults in your network that he can call if he needs help? I'd increase his understanding of addiction to ease his worries about what might be going on, rather than letting his imagination run to catastrophic thinking. Believe me, he knows you drink to excess and will have worries. But, age appropriate honesty and education will help him feel better.

The fact that you have a FSW suggests you want help which is a large part of your battle. Suggest that they refer to Social Care for a s.17 assessment to be completed of your child's needs. This needs to be with your consent. The only way Social Care can override your consent is under s.47 enquiries, which means professionals which will include social workers, police, education, health at a minimum, plus others such as your FSW feel the threshold to evidence significant harm is met. These enquiries may, or may not, result in a child protection conference being held and multi agency discussions and decisions made if he needs a child protection plan.

Equally, a SW won't just come and remove him from you. This would have to be with your consent under s.20 for him to be voluntarily accommodated, where you retain all PR and can withdraw your consent for this and request he is returned to your care. The other ways he could be removed from you are for example, if the police ended up visiting for any reason and they felt he was at immediate risk of harm, they could utilise their powers to protect for up to 72 hours, then a SW would find a suitable placement for him which you would be consulted about, ideally in his network, last resort would be foster carer. The other way he coul be removed is through a court order, which requires substantial information that evidences threshold is met to enter care proceedings, then a judge look at the evidence submitted and make an order if they feel necessary.

None of these options sound like where you are at, I just wanted you to understand how processes work and hopefully alleviate some fear. SW's are there to help, not battle against you. Honesty is always the best policy. No matter how bad you think things are, chances are the SW has heard worse.

First steps, speak to your GP for advice in a sleep hygiene routine. Insomnia is never helpful.

Take care OP, you sound like a caring and nurturing person in a difficult place right now.

CollagenQueen · 27/10/2023 06:10

How old is your son? If his friends are 6 foot tall, then he’s clearly mid to late teens. There’s no way SS would remove him just because you drink a bottle of wine at night. And I say that as someone who used to regularly drink two bottles every night. How do SS even know what you drink? Why are they involved in your life? There is clearly a lot more to this.

Changeling78 · 27/10/2023 06:15

I’m nearly all cases, the child is better off with the parent. If they take him away like you keep asking, that is going to impact him massively and not in a good way. Lac children struggle. What does he want? I bet he’d say he’d rather stay at home. Don’t leave the decisions to someone else, take control, ask for help for your alcoholism. Smoking and chickens are neither here nor there.

WanderingAroundintheLark · 27/10/2023 06:16

My friend used alcohol to just get through with OCD. Switched her brain off. Not alcoholic. Finally on medication and having therapy helped with her stopping her rumination's from the point where everything was shit to functioning well again. A good doctor will help you.

Spopssas · 27/10/2023 06:18

Is AD like St Mary's Ascot? I remember it well.

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Motnight · 27/10/2023 06:27

Op can you tell us simply what your situation is? How old is your son?

I have known several people drinking a bottle of wine a night who have been able to cut down / cut the alcohol out completely by themselves. Is that what you want to do?

Anewuser · 27/10/2023 06:42

I know you’re angry and upset but please don’t think your son being referred to Young Carers is a slight on you. My son is also a YC (due to his brother’s disability). They help in all sorts of ways, providing a grant in case he needs a laptop etc for homework, running teenage groups where they go for pizza or just a listening ear when he needs it.

If social services had any immediate fear then they would contact police to remove your child/children. They clearly don’t. They are just threatening - which I understand is still upsetting.

Wife2b · 27/10/2023 06:44

If they have suggested registering him as a young carer then they are obviously concerned that he is fulfilling caring responsibilities for either yourself or another parent/guardian or sibling. Be honest with yourself - why have they suggested this. Registering him as a young career ensures he can access support if he needs it. Having a bottle of wine doesn’t make anyone a bad parent - it’s only when it starts impacting the parenting of the child when it becomes a concern. Why is your FSW of the view that your son is a young carer?

flapjackfairy · 27/10/2023 06:51

sorry to be thick but what's an FSW ?

Mummyoflittledragon · 27/10/2023 06:56

I have PTSD and have had a lot of therapy to overcome it. When I feel I am in that dark place and cannot sleep, I sometimes listen to hypnotherapy YouTubes. They are so useful to relax the body and mind. My sleep patterns are absolutely dreadful, especially this time of year. I’m awake at 3 am or if I’m lucky 4 am, which in a week’s time will be 2 am.

There is a lot of YouTube content to play lasting hours to help you relax if not sleep. I suggest you google some and find the ones you like and ready to play for tonight… or the next time you can’t sleep. And also find some to calm you when you’re feeling so unworthy. Eg try looking for something like ‘youtube music for ptsd’.

bellac11 · 27/10/2023 06:57

Im assuming its a family support worker, which suggests Early Help

I panicked initially thinking it was a Fostering Social Worker and thought OP was a foster carer!!

OP you said that you want support from them you call it 'proper support', you seem to have been spoken to about a number of supports for your son, young carers, yoga for you, there may have been other interventions etc. Except that you're angry and dismissive of just those 2 things, those are the sort of interventions which would be appropriate

I notice people are falling over themselves to dismiss the impact of drinking a bottle of wine a night (and you can always multiply alcohol use by about 3x for those with problem drinking compared to what they disclose)

Antst · 27/10/2023 06:58

Spopssas · 27/10/2023 03:12

I don't understand why they don't follow through...if they have firm suspicions that my child is at risk why don't they follow through? If they don't, because they don't have firm beliefs, then stop saying that he is at risk. I want a report on my desk now, telling me how I am an at-risk mother. I want information. Not someone sitting on my sofa telling/threatening me. Which is what it feels like.

Because our social services are in crisis. There's no money because of austerity. Only kids in the absolute worst situations (i.e., where their lives are at risk) get help and the help is often nearly as bad as living with their parents.

You need to pull yourself together. No one else is responsible for raising your child and the services that used to step in to take kids from rubbish parents are overwhelmed. The self pity is disgusting. It's the child who deserves the pity.

Spopssas · 27/10/2023 07:04

How awful. Doesn't surprise me. Had similar.

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