Pramface Mansion

[000Laura000]

I think this is real...?

www.bbc.co.uk/showsandtours/beonashow/shows/pramface.shtml

Anyone fancy it?

[Lulumama]

when is it on?? for the 4th time.... i am really interested , not least due to the furore on this thread ! i will email the beeb if i have to !

[ZippiBabes]

so it was a good experience then

[Lulumama]

did it fulfil your expectations ?

surely the fact that the name of the programme has aroused such heated debate might actually be worth taking on board..a lot of the posters who have taken offence are single mums

and when is it on, for the love of god, so i can skyplus it!??!?

[Pramfacequeen]

lulumuma BBC3 round about the 25th March but exact date not set yet. Ten hour long episodes over two weeks alonside seven half hour catch ups ands mums/dad background stories. Hope this helps.

[nametaken]

Is it just me, or does anyone else think they sound brainwashed?

[Squirdle]

I've tried to google for you Lulumama, but with no success....

[Lulumama]

x post, thank you

i would imagine most people would do this for the right reasons, to show that media perception and portrayal of single mums is mistaken and to improve their own quality of life

but rarely is this borne out in the editing of these sorts of shows

reality TV/ real life TV is much more of a pull if it contains fighting and arguments

[ZippiBabes]

will be interesting except i don't watch tv..i get too bored but will try maybe

there will be mn threads especially now u hav made yourselves known

[Squirdle]

I think you are totally right Lulumama, it won't be all nicey nicey at all, they just wouldn't have the viewers!

[Lulumama]

well,i shall watch this with interest and look forward to more chat afterwards

[Pramfacequeen]

Thankyou lulumama hope it is interesting and look forward to the chat too!!

[pramfacemansiongang]

u tell em bitchface lol had to do it lol xxxxx

[colditz]

My point has been missed entirely. As it was the last time I posted.

No, I do not think you spent the whole time arguing aggressively ... but that any, any time you did spend arguing aggressively will be broadcast and feted and advertised heavily.

I know you are all mums with kids. We are all mums with kids too. I have a very fair idea of how you all behaved - normally, at a guess.

My point is that you won't be portrayed normally by the editors.

You know those awful people you see on reality Tv shows? You do know, don't you, that they aren't really awful? they are perfectly normal people, just like you and me .... editors are very very clever people, and naming the programme "Pramface Mansion" does not hint to me about their finer motives with this.

In other words, it doesn't matter how great you were - that's not what they are going to show, that's not what they wanted the programme to be about. They will do a chop job on you, making you (and by extension every other 'pramface') look awful.

"Pramface" is not a term, any more than "Slut" is a term, or "Queerboy". It's an insult. Don't fool yourself that you are reclaiming the insult as a 'term', all you are doing is making it wider known to the public.

[pramfacemansiongang]

by the way i dont want any of u lot to cheer me on at all i dont need no1's approval for going on this programme and nor does any of the other girls we aint sayin u have to watch it if u dont want to dont it not really bother us but i to learnt alot from the house i am 20 and i went in there quite childish and very over protected of my daughter but as u watch it go on i learnt not to b so protective and i think that made me b a better mum in ways so this prog has helped as girls alot and i think its something we all will remember. i dont feel it was a mistake at all no matter how it looks i learnt things from the other mums that i prob wouldn't have if i didn't meet those mums. all those mums are great ppl and great mums and im glad i meet them they all helped me in one way or another so no matter how this prog looks i will not regert it. pramface is just a name it dont mean nothing to me and shouldnt to any1 its just a word

[shedev]

COLDITZ you really don't get irony do you!!!!??? haha you have actually took my anger of your judgemental ways to complete and utter laughter,amusement and hilarity. Thanks. Pramfacequeen, u need to get into a job where we write speeches!! Go girl.
nametaken obv very bitter about something, BRAINWASHED!!! haha get a grip women!!!!

[shedev]

PS you make speeches not we

[colditz]

Explain the irony to me, shedev, please.

Explain the irony of a bunch of people taking part in a programme, hoping to change a stereotype, only to find that they have perpetuated it.

Explain the irony to Joe Public, Not-Too-Bright, watching Pramface Mansion, and instead of seeing the irony implicit in the name, merely assumes that 'pramface' is a new word for 'single parent'.

Explain the irony of some good parents refusing to play to the cameras - and the programme makers showing the parts they feel like showing.

Explain the irony of honest people assuming that they will be treated honestly because they are honest themselves.

See, I am seeing plenty of irony ... but I don't think I'm seeing it where you are. Please explain?

[pramfacemansiongang]

we didnt play to the cameras ok u dont no what went on so dont judge yet

[shedev]

Here you go again, who the hell died and made you chief judge?? Judging joe-public to be thick.................... And how the hell can you possibly say we "perpetuated it." The irony is............... people like yourself would automatically judge the show to be pramface mansion if it was called "single mothers mansion" So why not call it that anyway and maybe shock a few people, such as yourself, when we are NOT Pramfaces!! GOT IT YET???? You are hard work??

[Squirdle]

I think Colditz has made a lot of very valid points. I know those of you who are on the programme won't agree, you obviously want to be portrayed in the correct way, but sadly thses documentries don't do that.

But we will see and I will try to reserve judgement until I have seen the programme....if I watch.

[ZippiBabes]

i like you haqve come on and told us about it..

i guess you are all in touch with email,or an online group that's hpw you picked up this thread?

my dd2 hadf my dgs at just 19 and she was so pleased that she managed to be 18 and and not 19

she didnt tell me until she was 27 weeks and he was born at 36 weeks so i didnt have much time to get my head round it

i dont have any prejudices to be honest

[ZippiBabes]

19 and not 18 rofl

[colditz]

'People like myself' are single mothers. I am a single mother. The irony is that you have assumed that because I'm not agreeing with you, I am judging your single parent status. I do not want an editors portrayal of your behavior to be Joe Public's (who is startlingly ignorant - read the Daily Mail!) experience of people like me.

Shall I spell it out?

I
KNOW
YOU
ARE
NOT
PRAMFACES.

I
AM
NOT
A
PRAMFACE
EITHER.

But when this is cut for viewing, you will be shown in a poor light. Therefore, so will every single mother in this country.

Irony is that one of the Pramface Mansion ladies has confused the word 'Portrayed' with 'Betrayed' - because you will be.

But hey, feel free not to listen to me, I don't pay full rent or council tax.