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What to tell the child about absent abusive father

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HappySingleMom · 06/08/2019 10:23

Hi, sorry about the long message. I left an emotionally abusive marriage with a weeks-old child as I feared for my DC's and my safety as things were escalating and ex was really out of control (not letting me and baby sleep, taking my stuff out of the house without my permission, raging and raging and raging). There has been very little contact since (my DC is now 3). My ex has reached out now and then asking for various favours like getting documents, help for his friend etc while not doing anything about giving my stuff back (which I had clearly asked for). This was first 1.5 years after separation. I tried to get no-fault mutual consent divorce. When I reached out (through lawyer) he says he wants to save the marriage, said I have kept DC away from him and then there is no contact at all (for over a year). I have filed for divorce now. He sent weird emails again after being served by the court and has not owned up to any of the faults on his part and has not mentioned any steps he will take in terms of supporting the child or even visiting the child. Only when I reach out mentioning divorce, he says I have kept the child away. Which is not true as I have not stopped him from seeing the baby; only I have not taken any proactive steps to make him in DC's life or "invited" him to be part of DC's child. It is also true that I think it is best ex stays as far away as possible from DC and me.

I have absolute peace of mind. My baby is healthy and happy. I have support of extended family. I work and earn ok.The divorce is still in early stage of court hearing. I would really like some advise on the following matters, which are causing anxiety for me:

  1. DC has asked about 'father' now and then. I have simply told DC that he doesn't live with us and that he and I are not together. I have also said that we (my extended family and I) love DC a lot and we are always here for DC. DC seems fine with such an answer. But recently I have seen that DC keenly watches other fathers with their kids. DC also mentioned 'father' in an offhand manner to DC's grandparents (like saying "I don't want a bath because my father said so"), though only twice so far. DC is a very imaginative kid and has complex make believe games. Do I address this 'father' issue more? DC has not asked me anything after the last 'father' talk months ago. How can I give DC a clearer picture without saying anything bad about ex or making DC feel bad? Like, how do I tell DC that 'father' has not taken an interest in being a parent and that is why he is not in DC's life and that we are good that way, but not in those words?
  1. I fear ex will ask for visitation (the country I live in typically gives automatic visitation to non custodial parent - could range from once a month to every weekend, depending on how much time parent and child have lived together and bonded) just to trouble me and DC if the divorce continues in court and he doesn't agree to mutual consent divorce. If he had any interest in DC he would have taken steps by now or at least asked. In case he gets visitation and does actually exercise it, how do I ensure he doesn't continue to cause problems (like school admission, passport, holidays etc can all be mine fields)? Plus protect my DC? And protect myself? I fear my peace of mind and happiness will be shattered if he gets back into our lives in any form. My lawyer assures me that someone who has not shown in his child for over a year will never show up for visitation. But, I am not so sure. Also, visitation rights could mean I need his signature to put DC in proper school etc. The country I live in is quite conservative and for school admissions etc expects both parents to sign documents (one even asks for a photo of both parents together as part of application form). I am very worried. Any suggestions, examples from your own experience will be really useful.
Thank you!
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AnyaMumsnet · 07/08/2019 13:25

Hi there OP,

We're really sorry about this, it sounds really tough Flowers.

We're just giving this a little bump for you. Let us know if you'd like us to move it over to Parenting or Relationships - they're more active areas of the site, and we think they'd be helpful too.

angell84 · 07/08/2019 17:38

You have got to always think of the child first , before you think of yourself, and your child is entitled to see his father

Chickenish · 11/08/2019 22:16

Its really hard and I’m sorry you’re going through this now. I think everyone has their own approach. I was fortunate as I was able to say ‘something happened’ and contact is up to the courts. It helped that we lived in a refuge so she had friends who also didn’t see their dads.

As for entitled to see their father? When you have already said dad is dangerous Hmm

2BthatUnnoticed · 12/08/2019 07:13

OP my situation is similar, but my child is 4.5 - I wish I had the perfect answer.

In a weird way (and I’m not wishing this on my ex at all!) it would have be men easier if his father had passed away “your Dad loved you so much and is up in heaven now.”

Just frantically busy and will try and pop on later this week to respond properly, didn’t want to read and run though Flowers

2BthatUnnoticed · 12/08/2019 07:15

Is your ex on the birth certificate?

Widowodiw · 12/08/2019 07:59

@2BthatUnnoticed I disagree with that. You have very good reasons why your child can’t see their father.. trying to explain a father in heaven and why they can’t see their daddy, hear or even message them is impossible.

angell84 · 25/08/2019 08:59

Yes the child is entitled to see his father. Are you people for real? You don't just get to cut a parent out of a child's life. He is asking about his father.
If anyone is worried about the child's safety, the father can be supervised at a visitation centre, for supervised visits.
God I hate selfish mothers who always think of what they want and dont think of what the child wants.
Put your child first!

ChicagoSnake6 · 25/08/2019 22:47

I am very familiar with your situation. I am an orphan born in Korea to a mother who was 13 and a father who left her before she was - month pregnant who was almost 40. Was in foster care for a couple years then adopted to the states in Chicago and became an on and off runaway at 12/13-17 and finally stayed on the streets until today, I am now 32, have a 2 year old daughter as well as a 9 y.o. Step son who's father left his life when he was a month old and is actually in a rival gang to mine (I have since left that life). So I not only have the perspective of a child with no father but a father who has had his own daughter taken away due to his unhealthy and irresponsible lifestyle as well as seeing another child with no father react to me as his step father...whew it's a lot I kno, but trust me my life has been...vivid to say the least lol. So let me tell you first how I got back the privilege of being a father. I garauntee your x is a young minded, relatively lost individual but unconsciously so, has a good heart at times but not enough to put weigh the negative aspects to his personality. Which means at one time you were highly attracted to that type of man, or should I say young man, and have since grown up. He has a lot of choices to make in his future. One being, sacrificing who is now, to grow into who he could potentially be. Let me tell you your responsibility in that choice...nothing. It's on him as a man to accept responsibility of his own actions. Just like I had to, which only came from a failure of suicide, which helped me realize what I would have done to my daughter and made her grow up similarly to me. I had to go through a lot of shit, pain and suffering to grow but today I am the first thing my daughter sees when she wakes and the last thing she sees when she goes to sleep. We are best friends but I am also her father first and those lines are clearly separate. Me and her mother live together as room mates for financial reasons but have learned to be cool with each other and respect each other as humans and parents to our kids. Again we had to go through SO MUCH SHIT to achieve this but I'd go to hell n back for my shorty and I have. Only thing you can do is be there for your kid, and sometimes that's being there for yourself so you are balanced and stress free enough to be there for anyone else. A stressed parent makes a stressed child because kids usually don't do what you say, they do what you do. So if you bad mouth your baby daddy, they will learn that from you and grow up hating someone they don't really kno, causing resentment, hate and eventually deep seeded hate and pain for themselves. I kno because I used to hate both of my parents, my father especially as he was probably a rapist. As well as many of my foster and street fathers and that hate festered for years until it almost killed me. So please, if your BD is an asshole, they will find out soon enough without you having to remind them. That will be a challenge for them, and not you to face. As parents we want to protect our kids from everything but remember that our personal challenges make us stronger so if those challenges are taken away from us, we will only be that much more helpless later.
My second point is when I first met my step son when he was 4. He use to follow me around asking me if I was his dad, and I would tell him "naw man I'm your homeboy" lol. On Father's Day he would make cards with pics of his mom saying "your my mom and my dad" and all single moms that don't have the father in the picture feel they must toughen up their kid, especially boys, in an overcompensation to the guilt they feel that comes with leaving their biological father. One thing to remember, u are not his father and never will be. To a child you are a mom and while you might play some parts a father "should" a son will just take it as that's what moms do. It won't be until later when we find out it's usually a fathers job to teach us how to do manly things and as young men we will overcompensate due to our inexperience with being a man. This is why a father can not be replaced with a woman. Just like a father cannot replace a mother's presence. My suggestion is you have him around uncles, grandfathers etc as much as possible so he can learn what a man is. I assume your x didn't have his father around?? If not he might just be sheltered, but I would suggest being honest with your child. They will appreciate it later, trust me. I wasn't told about the details of my history until 19, and left that family at 16 and only saw them to re establish a relationship last year at 31. It'll hurt your kid a lil now but trust me, what u think is protection is not and will b much worse later, added to the fact that he won't trust you anymore. So I tell my son exactly this " your father was scared of being a bad father to you so he left cuz he felt bad, he loved you but he also didn't understand love and wasn't strong enough to be there for you. I wasn't strong enough to be there for you or your sister too, so I understand him, the only difference is I started getting stronger because I made a choice to do so cuz I love u guys and I also understand it" he is sad sometimes and has told me that he hates when Father's Day comes but appreciates my honesty with him and I believe dealing with a hard situation avoided a lot of pain I suffered as a kid, teenager, and even un developed adult. I could go on but I'd need to kno more and idk if this is even making sense to you lol but love from Chicago!!

HappySingleMom · 29/08/2019 13:24

Thank you for all your responses. I am in a better place emotionally as my ex has filed stuff in court that I can easily prove as lies. DC's make-believe games continue, so that I am still grappling with.
@angell84 - I am putting the child first and always will. I would have really loved to have an involved father for my child. Unfortunately ex actively tried to hurt the child when we were under the same roof and has not taken any steps to see the child since we separated 3 years ago. Where I live there is no supervised visits etc--you are on your own and there are no real protections for women and kids from abusive partners/fathers. So not an option and it is not like he is going to turn up if I ask him to be involved. Also, it would be best for me if ex and child meet and my child knows exactly what kind of person the father is, but that would mean my child getting hurt emotionally (with risk of physical hurt) and I don't want to even consider that scenario.
@Chickenish - yes, seeing other kids in similar situations would have been helpful. But we live in a very conservative country where women would rather get beaten up by their husbands than leave, as divorced women are looked down upon still in these parts. I too put up with a lot of bad stuff for the same reason.
@2BthatUnnoticed - thank you for taking time out...I know how the days just disappear when there is so much to be done. Sending you strength. Unfortunately, ex is on the birth certificate.
@ChicagoSnake6 - thank you for sharing your personal experience and I am glad to hear you have turned your life around. My ex is a middle aged man now. I don't believe he will change now. Like you have done with your son, I will tell my child the sanitised version of the truth when DC is a little older. Right now, DC is too small to understand the intricacies of relationships, or that there are people who don't mean well.

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2BthatUnnoticed · 29/08/2019 14:51

angel that is a ridiculous comment. You have no idea what is best for OP’s child. Her ex has made no effort to be in her child’s life - OP cannot change that because she has no control over him.

OP can only be the best, most loving parent she can - and it sounds like you are an amazing Mum, OP Flowers

One thing I’ve learned is to respect that my son will have his own thoughts and feelings about it. I can give him love and answers (as appropriate), I am very matter of fact about it.

But just occasionally he has been a bit sad - eg a kindy friend telling him something exciting his Dad did with him on the weekend, and how cool his Dad is.

I try to honour his feelings and listen to him in those moments - not just jolly him out of it straight away (which is my instinct!). Because I want him to trust me with his feelings, and know I am here no matter what.

HappySingleMom · 29/08/2019 18:55

@2BthatUnnoticed that's good advice. I will keep that in mind - to acknowledge feelings of hurt/sorrow. DC starts proper school next year...I am sure seeing other kids with dads will cause heartache. I need to prepare myself for that. Thank you for the support.

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ChicagoSnake6 · 30/08/2019 19:31

You are welcome, I didn't mean to make it about me so much I just have had similar experiences on all sides so I thought I could help, sometimes I get carried away so my bad lol.
Court battles are tough, especially domestic court dealing with custody issues and the kids always seem to lose.

But to every negative there are positives. What don't kill you makes you stronger is cliche but true. He will have an opportunity to become stronger then the tree he fell from if he can learn to love both of you despite both of your negative sides and bitterness toward each other. He will learn to look past both of your biases and he will form his own opinions and thoughts, most likely ones u won't like sometimes lol. Although it's not his job, sometimes adults need more guidance then children lbvs. Remember humans have survived for 100s of thousands of years, sabertooth tigers and the dark ages, so divorce isn't that bad in the big picture lol.
kids are kids no matter what. Only adults put adult emotions onto kids. What I mean by that is a kid barely surviving somewhere will still have fun and be and be happy due to his inexperience with life and heavy use of imagination. It's why kids can get a brand new 400 dollar toy and only play with the box lol.
Kids are more forgiving, and don't have the capacity to be invulnerable yet like adults. This is a fact; the more vulnerable you are, the quicker and more you learn. That's why children's brains soak up info and adults, who have learned to be invulnerable, due to a perceived negative world, can't seem to change or learn new things.
The truth is old dogs can learn new tricks but they will have to reach a point in their lives where they are broken down to their core aka vulnerable. Perhaps having his child taken away will be enough, perhaps that lesson will be learnt on his death bed, perhaps never but we all develop at different times and for different reasons so who knows maybe the lessons of the father will have to be learnt by the son, or even grandson?? I would still leave some room for hope though, if only for your son because he will surely have hope for his dad at some point. My street pops is a heroin and PCP addict who got me into gang banging and got my brother murdered indirectly by teaching him the street life but I still love that fuck up lol.
I understand the fear of protecting your son from the hurt you are feeling and have felt but remember you and you son are family, but not the same person. Sometimes we see ourselves in our children so much we forget that they are their own person and must look past our own reflection. All you can do is teach them everything you kno and hope it's enough to have them learn on their own. Again kids usually learn from your actions, not what you tell them lol.
I believe a good parent is not one who protects their kids from everything but one who teaches them how to protect themselves. Anyway, love from Chicago and I'm glad you are in a better place, a good time to prepare for the next hardship that will inevitably come smh lol.

HappySingleMom · 04/09/2019 11:10

Thank you @ChicagoSnake6. Lot of good advice in what you say. Will keep those in mind

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