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Is it possible to be friends with exP? Days out together etc?

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BornToFolk · 02/06/2012 18:23

I recently separated from my exP, after discovering he was having an affair. Full story here

We have a 4.5 year old DS. He's been coping pretty well but has had a couple of meltdowns where he's been very upset. Last night he cried for ages, wanting Daddy, saying that he wanted Daddy to come home, to live here, come on holiday with us etc. I comforted him as best I could but my heart was breaking for him.

So, I've been thinking today, is it possible to be friends with an ex, and maintain a co-parenting relationship to the point of being able to do days out, or have him round for dinner etc?

Obviously, it's still really early days and I'm still very upset and my emotions are all over the place, angry, sad, hurt, happy, anxious, confident etc etc. My feelings towards exP are similarly confused. I am so cross with him, especially for the impact that it's having on DS but at the same time, it was not my choice to end the relationship and I miss him, especially the companionship of having someone else around in the evenings after DS has gone to bed, and being able to do those family things at the weekend, going to the park, all that kind of stuff.

Am I just kidding myself? Is it best for DS to have totally separate relationships with us both? Will he get confused if exP does do things like come here for dinner, and expect him to stay etc?

I think we're a long way off this kind of relationship anyway but is it possible at some point? That hope would kind of keep me going through this tough time...Sad

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RedHelenB · 02/06/2012 18:35

Yes in theory but ime the OW was too jealous & me & exh barely even speak to each other!!!

ToothbrushThief · 02/06/2012 18:42

I think you need to be clear why you want to be 'friends' with your ex. children do adjust and the best thing is for you to be civil, friendly and not argue in front of the DC.

Days out are not required and indeed could be confusing for both of you :)

AngelWreakinHavoc · 02/06/2012 18:56

I have a great relationship with my ex. I have 3 dc and the 2 youngest live with him. I have a dp and we all get on well. We have even spent christmas together (myself, dp, ex and dc) as that is what the kids wanted. it can work but just be careful what you actually want, it has not been long since your split and you maybe confusing your feelings with ds feelings. :)

susiedaisy · 02/06/2012 19:01

Not sure about being friends so soon after a split but I think people can be civil and dignified, maybe after alot of time has elapsed and you have both well and truly moved on you could be friendly!

NotaDisneyMum · 02/06/2012 19:32

I do think you need to be careful about confusion - my DP and his ex had a very volatile relationship in the last few months of marriage and soon after.
Once the emotion had died down and they could have civilised conversations in front of the DCs, his DS (then 6) said that it felt sometimes like his dad and his mum could get back together because they were being nice to each other!
If there has been hostility or even a period of limited communication, becoming friends may give DCs the wrong idea.

But, it's not unusual for DCs to go through a period of wanting to do things with both parents together - my DD wanted me, her Dad and our respective partners to all be one big happy family and go out together with her every weekend!

Pedigree · 02/06/2012 20:25

We managed, but we only did because we didn't have any romantic feelings towards each other, or any resentments, we just fell out of love.

I think you can get to a cordial relationship with your ex for the sake of the children, but you won't be ready for that until you both have moved on and any strong feelings have died down. As for your child... there are some times when DS asks about why we couldn't continue to be married and the sort. Our answer always was something in the lines of " Things were not that good really, we were not getting along with each other, and we were not particularly happy", there is no point of letting them build an idealised version of the marriage that was not there in the first place. There is no point either, in hurting them with 'truths" they cannot understand, for the time being perhaps it would be about reminding him you and his dad love him to bits, reassuring him that his dad is still there even if not living at the house, and make a lot of special things to distract him, especially at night time, from the fact that dad is not at home anymore.

Catrin · 03/06/2012 01:05

My x left 2 1/2 months ago. Dd is now 6. Although she has had ups and downs, I have made it as gently clear as I can that although Mummy and Daddy are friends (hollow laugh), we cannot live together, but we still adore her etc etc.
To that end, he has her every other weekend and I also invite him for tea once a fortnight. He will be coming here for Sunday lunch on Father's Day. If she wants to Skype him/ring him, she can. I had to work on her INSET day on Friday, so she stayed with him Thurs to Sat, even though it was "my" weekend.

There is no blue print for this kind of shit. I thought I was grown up - it is only when a major relationship dissolves and you have to sort out child/ finances/ homes etc that you realise you are actually a proper grown up. You can only get through it doing the best you can for your child/ren and yourselves. I do not regret getting married - I adored him and had dd. I keep this in mind now, as I made my choices and they were, then, good choices.

There is no reason for it to not be amicable despite what I feel towards him (I appreciate this is SO not the case for everyone, my circumstances were not such that I need to cut contact.) I feel that as long as dd knows M and D are friends, but cannot live together, both love her, she has absolutely equal access to us both (no matter how it chokes me), I will have done all I can.

FridasBrow · 03/06/2012 01:14

Friendly, but not friends.

MonarchoftheGarioch · 04/06/2012 00:03

BornToFolk, I've started to post several times and don't really know how helpful I can be, but I want to say how sorry I am to hear what you're going through and how glad I am that you're posting here because the support you'll get is invaluable.

The short answer to your OP is yes, it is possible, but FridasBrow makes a good point. In the circumstances, 'friendly' is what you should be aiming for rather than 'friends', because it's really important that you protect yourself until you start to get over this horrendous shock and can begin to trust your H a little again (as a co-parent rather than a partner I mean).

Now for the long answer (I suspect very long!)... I split up from my ExH about a year and a half ago, and I would say we have as friendly a relationship as can be expected, given that our marriage ended because of his affair, and that he is now living with the OW. He sees the DC at my house - they do stay at his place regularly at weekends, but his working hours rule out weeknight stays, so this way he can spend an hour or so with them every two or three days to keep up contact. We attend school events together, occasionally have family meals (eg for birthdays or if grandparents visit), and will sometimes meet for coffee or lunch on weekend days when I have the kids if it means they won't otherwise see him for a few days. At the beginning we did do one or two days out together, but not now - I found it too painful to pretend we were a normal family and felt like I was clinging on to something that just didn't exist any more. In general, I feel like we more or less have a good balance for the kids' sake. They see us getting on well, they see plenty of their dad, and we have a very relaxed approach to access which means the kids don't miss out on any activities/parties/family visits and I get time off when I need it.

However, there are two or three important things to consider. Firstly, it is very difficult to allow the person who hurt you so deeply to still be a big part of your life, and it takes time and a lot of healing to reach the right balance there. Some days I felt like 'wow, we're getting on great, surely there's some hope that we can be a proper family again one day' Hmm; other times, I could barely stand the sight of ExH and felt an idiot for letting him have so much more access to all of us than I thought he deserved. Now, it's more settled and the whole situation is bearable, but there are still ups and downs.

Secondly, although I still believe the decisions I made about his involvement in our lives were in the children's best interests, it has inevitably caused some confusion. The first few months were difficult for the DC just coping with the fact that daddy had left, and then they met the OW, which was a new aspect for them to think about and no doubt a bit of a novelty. But now, especially with my 7-year-old DD, there are a lot of questions. She doesn't really understand why I can't come with them when they visit daddy's house, or go on holiday with them, or why daddy and OW couldn't come and stay with us when they had to move house Shock. Luckily she talks, she asks, we can discuss it (and indeed ExH and I discuss it too so that we can try to give her a consistent story). If she didn't, I'd be worried about how it was affecting her. Actually, I'm worried anyway, but at least I know what's going through her head and can try to help.

Finally, and probably most importantly, it's only possible to be friendly if it's an entirely mutual thing, with respect, boundaries and a whole lot of tact on both sides. If not, it's too easy for tension and bad feeling to creep in, and that's exactly what you're trying to avoid.

I hope I'm not making it sound like my situation is all rosy, because it's not, it's bloody hard a lot of the time; I often have to bite my tongue, I continually question my motives and wonder if I'm being too much of a martyr. But at the same time, I hope it gives you some kind of picture of what things could be like - if you feel that this is really what you want and not just a reaction to the hideous situation your H has put you in.

Whatever the case, good luck with it all, I promise you it does get better and it sounds like you're a strong person and a great mum - and if you're anything like me, your DS will give you purpose and focus that will drag you back up to the light like nothing else can!

BlooMoon · 04/06/2012 07:30

BornToFolk so sorry this is happening to you. Is your H planning to live with OW? I have had some of the same thoughts as you and will follow this thread with interest. To me (no expert) it sounds as if you would not yet benefit from a too-friendly arrangement, as you say you miss him. I think it is very common for cheaters to try to remain friends to assuage their own guilt, but also sadly to keep wifey on the back burner in case things don't work out with OW. There is still a lot if potential pain in your future, and you need to insulate yourself from this by getting to the point where you don't miss him, don't need him, and don't want him back if he later comes grovelling. I know I couldn't do all of that work on myself whilst having too much contact with H. Maybe you can, but please be careful and think of yourself first.

Your DS may well be confused in his own right, and will in addition pick up on your confusion. So I agree - civil, yes if you can, friends, not yet. Fill your life with people who are really your friends. Your H has demonstrated by his actions that he is no friend of yours, sadly.

sleeplessinsuburbia · 04/06/2012 07:34

We did and it's nice on the rare occasions we are all together (both remarried).
Things like school events would be difficult if you weren't friends I'd imagine.

BlooMoon · 04/06/2012 07:43

Catrin - did your H also have an affair? Is there an OW on the scene? Or a new partner? If so, how do they cope with your H coming over for meals?

Monarch - thanks for your post. I've lots of questions - sorry! What did you tell your DCs when he left? And how do you cope with the questions from your DD? How soon and how was OW introduced? Is your DD aware of what really happened, or is OW a "new partner"? And have you met her?

MrDarcyPhwoarr · 04/06/2012 08:20

I have a great relationship with my ex. Our break up was less complicated than yours but he did leave when DD was tiny so I do struggle a bit with resentment sometimes.

We do all the things you described. Have dinner, days out, Christmas, holidays ect. The only real problem we have encountered was people assuming we were still together just because we spend time together.

I now have a new partner which has meant we have spent a bit less time together mainky because my ex struggles with jealousy a bit. He is getting used to it now though and things are getting back to normal.

FidgetPie · 04/06/2012 08:43

I would agree with others about it probably being a bit soon at the moment, but wanted to give you a long term example. My mother in law and father in law are in their seventies and divorced about 20 years ago when DP was about 12. They have remained/become again friends - almost like siblings. They both attend family events, go out for meals together and even accompany each other to medical appointments. There is no romantic interest and still some anger and resentment about past behaviour, but both remained single so enjoy the companionship and support and they feel they were part of each others lives / family for so long that being divorced doesn't sever that. (I think it is a mixture of loyalty/duty/affection/friendship/absence of new significant others).

When I first met them I thought it was very strange, but I increasingly see it as a nice thing (however I think it would have been nicer for them each to have found new rewarding and fulfilling relationships with other people).

I'm not saying this is something to aim for, but it is one example of how with the passage of time people can stay on friendly terms.

BertieBotts · 04/06/2012 08:47

Some people do do this, but I don't really see why you would want to. But perhaps this is because my parents are divorced and never did this and I didn't feel like we missed out at all, in the slightest, because of it. I suppose it would have been nice if my Dad had come to things like school assemblies and sports days etc, but he never did things like that anyway so I never thought to miss him there.

BertieBotts · 04/06/2012 08:48

Also as my parents have got older there have been occasions - funerals etc - where they have met and been polite but not really interacted, so I think it will be fine if I ever get married etc. When I had DS they just came to visit separately.

NotaDisneyMum · 04/06/2012 09:11

I suppose a lot of it depends on not only if you can 'forgive' the behaviour (affair or otherwise) that led to the end of the marriage, but also whether your ex is the kind of person you can tolerate being around?

My ex has told me that I am the kind of woman he despises, and I consider him to be a bombastic arse who i struggle to spend any time in the same room with. We've both changed a lot since we met and married - and we don't like each other as people at all now! I think he's a loud, socially inept bully - and he thinks I'm a stuck-up, frosty cow!

Being 'friendly' is nigh on impossible in that situation Sad

BornToFolk · 04/06/2012 10:52

Thanks for your messages, Monarch especially, it helps a lot to have examples of how other people manage these kinds of situations.

I know it's too early to have any kind of friendly relationship. My feelings are still too confused and DS has to understand the situation. But it's good to know that maybe in the future we could have a different relationship.

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MonarchoftheGarioch · 04/06/2012 12:36

Sorry to hear you're going through this too BlooMoon, no problem to answer your questions (and feel free to PM me if you want).

What did you tell your DCs when he left?
After reading lots of advice, I decided the best approach was the 'no-blame' one, where we kept it very simple and just told the DC we were separating but still both loved them very much and that they would continue to see daddy all the time. No mention was made of the real reason - I felt they had enough to cope with (they were 6 and 4 at the time) and we'd already agreed that the OW would not be introduced immediately, so it seemed irrelevant to mention her at that point. The jury's still out re whether this was the best plan, but it was as much as I could cope with at that stage; I really didn't want to deal with constant questions about daddy's new girlfriend, especially if she wasn't going to hang around for long...

How do you cope with the questions from your DD? Is your DD aware of what really happened, or is OW a "new partner"?
Our DC don't know what really happened, no. ExH told them about OW a few months later, just before they met her, so yes, she was introduced as a new partner.

However, DD1 is increasingly asking questions that need more complex answers; she talks about the whole situation very freely, with friends at school too, which is where I think some of the questions are coming from. For now, I keep it very factual - eg, I don't come to daddy's with you because that's your time to spend with him - but I know I'll need to go into more detail with her at some point soon. I think she's trying to work out why I'm not friends with OW and why we sometimes do things together with ExH, but never with OW as well. I do worry how she will cope with the full story, and how it will affect her relationship with ExH and OW, and indeed with me.

How soon and how was OW introduced? And have you met her?
She was introduced about 8 months after ExH left (and they'd been 'together' for about a year). ExH took the DC out for the afternoon and told them there was someone he wanted them to meet, showed them her photo, etc, then the following week he and OW took them out for the day. They started staying over at his place a few weeks later. When we split, I insisted I wanted to wait at least a year before they met her, hoping the relationship wouldn't last that long. But I got so tired of living in limbo, dreading the inevitable, so the timing was about right in the end and it worked out OK. I met her a couple of days before the kids did, and through some superhuman effort managed to keep the conversation all about the children. I don't think I'd be so restrained today! I see her from time to time if she's with ExH when the kids get picked up or dropped off. I manage a 'hello' or a wave for the kids' sake, but I'm really not interested. The kids like her, she treats them kindly, that's all I need to know Biscuit.

MonarchoftheGarioch · 04/06/2012 13:32

NotaDisneyMum got it spot on too - it absolutely depends on how you feel about each other as people, and it has to come sincerely from both parties.

When ExH finally left, the way I coped was by seeing him as two separate people - there was my husband, who had turned out to be a selfish bastard that destroyed our family, so I put him in the past. Then there was the father of my kids, who I was going to have to maintain some kind of relationship with for years to come whether I liked it or not, and this was the future. So I told him that from the day he left, the slate was wiped clean and the basis for our relationship as parents would be entirely down to how he behaved from that point on.

And credit where it's due, he has risen to that challenge, treated me respectfully and, so far, kept all his promises to me and the children. Looking back on it now, I was giving him the (perhaps undeserved!) opportunity to be a decent person again, and it meant we could both move on without constant recriminations and point-scoring. And I guess the clean slate applied to me too, it forced me to give him a chance, keep some dignity, and not constantly go over the past every time we saw each other.

In practice of course it wasn't nearly as straightforward as that, but it set the tone and allowed us to concentrate on being parents. I do still struggle with it; I do wonder if I would be much happier now if I'd cut our contact to the bare minimum, or if he'd continued behaving like such a shit that I'd be glad to be rid of him Grin. On the whole though, I feel it's a positive thing for us all right now.

FashionEaster · 04/06/2012 13:53

I had to formalise access and be very distant from exH, after trying for a while to maintain access at the family house, but it didn't work. The OW is no longer on the scene (or officially so, I don't ask) and exH has completely messed up his life. But sometimes I do relent and invite him to lunch, especially if he has been here to do some heavy duty DIY. But it has to be a careful balance as don't want the children hoping we'll get back together or exH either! And whilst it can be quite nice to talk to someone who has shared history with you, the focus is on the children, his relationship with me is as the children's father and nothing else.

mama2moo · 06/06/2012 20:33

Yep, dp left in February and we are now good friends. We are forever confusing people when they see us out together with the kids! He still frustrates me but I dont care because I know he will go home! He comes to my house to see the children and we sit chatting better then when we were actually together!

angrywoman · 07/06/2012 10:46

I actually went on holiday with my ex and the children. A mistake, but I did it because I didn't trust him to look after them properly on his own for a full 2 weeks.
We also tried to continue days out initially.
In retrospect these made it more painful for him. I had decided we should seperate, he had been unfaithful to me and was an awful partner. He did want to stay/ get back together but once he left the house I knew this would never be ok for me. The days we spent like this he was constantly trying to show what a mistake I was making. It was confusing for all of us.
Maybe it will be too painful for you (at least now). I suggest spending time with friends and family instead.
Best wishes, it does get better...

KellyElly · 07/06/2012 15:59

It's been over a year since I split with my ex and we are friends now. We do the odd thing together as a family on special occasions. I think what makes it easier is that neither of us have other partners. I think that's when things can get a bit tricky unless the 'friendship' includes them to a point too but that can be too much of a stretch on all sides in some cases. As long as you aren't enemies then its healthy for the kids.

Foxy800 · 10/06/2012 09:20

It is a slightly different situation for me as dp moved out in September but so we can work on our relationship, things occurred so we were unable to do it living under the same roof!!! We have a 6 yr old and we do have days out together etc and it does seem to work for us but every couple is different.
We were very careful in the beginning though so as not to confuse dd. We all had christmas together at a relatives etc.

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