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Social Services now involved due to ex assaulting ds1, feel like I've let him down (long)

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OctopusSocktopuss · 20/10/2011 21:37

Have name changed for this thread, but have been here a long time.

There is a long history with my ex which is too long to go into detail here (I would be here all day) but don't want to drip feed, so I'll give you all the bits I think are relevant. We have been divorced for 6 years, he doesn't work and was a controlling abusive man when we were together and still continues to try to be now. I have always had to work full time to support us.

We have had issues in the past over the way he treats the dc (ds1 is 9 and ds2 is 7) and I have stopped contact in the past, only for him to take me to court, where the court have seemed to dismiss my concerns for their wellbeing.

OK, so having re-established contact last year, which was built up slowly with supervised contact, leading to him having them eventually overnight, the relationship seemed to be getting better.

He owes me quite a lot of csa money, which he has nagged me to write off so he can get a job. He refuses to get a job until I do this because they will put an attachment of earnings on his salary, I took the view that I was never going to get it anyway so if he was willing to do a deal and take on the responsibility of some of the school runs (I have just started a new job) that would make up for it. We fell out over the method of payment for the money he was going to give me instead, I wanted it by DD he wanted to pay cash. He shouted and screamed at me when picking the boys up one morning because I was changing the goal posts and refused to do anymore school runs. I cancelled the deal and told him I had sorted the school runs. It dawned on me how easily he had managed to get some control over my life again and so I disengaged from him and arranged childcare.

He is obviously enraged about this. He wanted the money to be written off.
Part of the contact order is that he picks the boys up on a Monday after school, gives them tea and drops them back - about 3 hours in total.

Last Monday ds1 told me, at bed time, that his dad had been a bit naughty. I probed a bit more and it transpires that they had fallen out, over some money that ds1 had that his dad had spent, and he wanted it back. They had a massive row, ex picked him up and threw him on the floor. He then pinned him down by his arms and legs and hit him on the chest. He had a red mark on his chest, but I didn't really notice any other bruising as his legs are already covered in bike scratches etc.

DS1 didn't want me to make a fuss, he didn't want to be interviewed by CAFCASS again and go through the court process. I did ask if his dad had told him to say that, but he says not. I told him that I couldn't let it go as it was too serious. So as a compromise I asked him to tell his teacher.
My thinking, rightly or wrongly (Im thinking I handled this badly now) was that if I wasn't the one who reported it I couldn't be accused by ex of reporting him to SS out of spite, the whole episode would carry more credibility as it would come from DS1 directly, and I guess somewhere I wanted someone else to make the decision.

I texted ex to ask what happened. He was dismissive. He said they'd had a row and he had restrained him, but it was all sorted. He then sent a load of texts reminding me of things I had apparently done in the past. I didn't respond to these (false) allegations just kept to the incident Monday and tried to get the facts. He didn't say he was sorry, or admit any kind of wrong doing at all.

It's taken D1 until today to tell his teacher. So I was called to the school, where Social Services had interviewed ds1 and were in the process of interviewing ds2 who was there at the time. I have to take him to the doctor tomorrow to examine bruises on his legs which are from his dad throwing him on the floor.

I guess I need a bit of hand holding through this one, I feel like I've let ds1 down by not reporting it myself, I really didn't know what to do. I've been accused of over reacting by ex over incidents in the past.

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OctopusSocktopuss · 22/10/2011 13:24

Really need some other views on this.

I've tried my best to protect my dec from the worst bits of their dad, whilst getting no support in court. I simply couldn't afford to keep fighting it and have been made to feel like I'm denying him access for over reacting.

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SolidGoldVampireBat · 22/10/2011 13:52

I think you probably have enough, with the violence, to keep the DCs away from this vile man. Unless you have really strong suspicions that he is mad enough and awful enough to attempt to sexually abuse the DC, throwing that into the mix could get really unpleasant (for the boys - lots of intrusive questioning and an awful thing to have to live with). But it might be worth ringing the NSPCC or similar for advice which you can get in confidence without giving your name.

Tyr · 22/10/2011 16:05

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OctopusSocktopuss · 22/10/2011 17:10

Tyr
I have spoken to you before on threads, although I've never posted about this before so I don't think I am who you think I am. I have often wondered if you are in fact my ex by the way you post.

I have had many concerns over the dc's welfare, but contact seemed to be going well for some time now, I try my best to encourage this and was pleased that their dad wanted to spend time with them. Yes the school runs suited me as you put it, only in a practical sense, the emotional fall out was a big price to pay. He doesn't work, I have to, it seemed like a contribution he could make whilst spending some more time with them. I can't do right for doing wrong can I, you are criticising me for that.

It's actually my ds that has claimed to have been assaulted. I don't know where you get the notion there weren't bruises from, where have I said that? I said I hadn't noticed them as his legs are covered with them.

Are you telling me that my fears in the past have been unfounded? How would you know? I felt they were justified and now SS are thinking they were too.

I was concerned at the time, I wanted him to tell his teacher (who happens to specialise in child protection issues so that someone else could decide if I was over reacting). I am constantly told by my ex that I am.

I have no twisted agenda at all. I just want their dad to pick them up, enjoy their company, and bring them back. That's not really too much to ask is it. I don't expect him to contribute financially, take any responsibility for anything at all. I don't expect him to hit them. Nor should they expect that.

The reason I posted the history is to give some background. The CSA history is relevant as I think this is the reason he was so angry that night.

I have asked about these strange trousers as it does seem odd to wear such an item in from of your children on a regular basis. I asked on here to get some views. I do not want to accuse him of anything like like that is unfounded that's why I'm posting here Tyr, to get some advice and other viewpoints.

I didn't post this in AIBU so I don't want to spend the rest of this support thread arguing with you.

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OctopusSocktopuss · 22/10/2011 17:43

SGB I am not about to accuse him of anything sexual unless I have hard evidence, I'm not looking for reasons to keep him away from the children, I've always tried to give him the benefit of the doubt wherever possible.

It's something I would have mentioned to him directly, if this hadn't happened, that the dc have mentioned his strange trousers and that it's inappropriate to wear them in front of them.

I've talked to another friend today and she thinks I handled the way it was reported in the correct way, given the history that has gone on between me and my ex. I actually think that if I had reported it myself it would not have been taken as seriously.

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Wooooooooooooooppity · 22/10/2011 20:58

Tyr clearly has an agenda which has very little to do with the welfare of children and everything to do with violent and abusive men not being made accountable for their behaviour.

I won't bother to speculate why.

Hope you get on OK OP.

OctopusSocktopuss · 22/10/2011 21:18

Thanks woooo

Ive seen threads Tyr has been in before so I would only expect the type of response I'd get from my ex. Useful to see how it will be played back to me though. Tyr seems to think I've made the whole thing up, perhaps it's easier to see why I needed ds to report it when this is exactly what I get from ex.

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Wooooooooooooooppity · 22/10/2011 21:22

Yes he obviously lives in a world where men don't abuse ever, women just invent all that abuse. And if children complain about it, it's not because they've been abused, oh no, it's because their mothers have manipulated them into making it up. Thus committing emotional abuse. Because only women can ever be abusive, men never are.

It's useful to know that men like this exist, I'm glad they come on to Mumsnet to tell us about themselves. We need to know about them so that we can defend ourselves and our children against them. Thanks guys. [hsmile]

Tyr · 22/10/2011 21:24

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OctopusSocktopuss · 22/10/2011 21:39

Tyr are you saying that my ex didn't assault my son? My ex has admitted it to me by text. I do wish that I had reported it myself, I said as much in my op, however it doesn't change that he DID assault him. It was witnessed by ds2 who confirms this.

I wasn't there. I am not trying to find other things to throw at him, merely wanted to run the story of the strange trousers past some mn'ers to get their opinion. It's odd. It isn't worth me mentioning it as I am being very careful here not to be a spiteful ex.

I want the dc to have a good relationship with him. I can't make him be nice to them. I can't make him have them for contact which is frequently cancelled because something better came up.

Every time something like this happens I'm mortified. I don't want to fight him. I just want my dc to have a great dad.

CAFCASS took my concens very seriously, they interviewed the dc and drew up a very slow resume of contact. Because they were scared

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Tyr · 22/10/2011 21:47

Really? He's admitted it by text.....

If CAFCASS were "scared," they wouldn't have recommended contact, let alone unsupervised.

Let's try again: How many allegations have you made in the past that have been upheld by neither SS or the courts?

OctopusSocktopuss · 22/10/2011 21:47

of him. The contact was supervised, then ex's mother had to supervise. Unfortunately his mother is also scare of him and he just shouted at her according to the dc.

I will be criticised by men like Tyr whatever I do. If I don't report it I'm negligent. If I do it's nonsense.

If anyone wonders why I got ds to report it himself, just imagine that Tyr is my ex and you will understand. I have been dealing with a man who is JUST THE SAME for 6 years

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Tyr · 22/10/2011 21:51

It isn't just "men like Tyr" though, is it?

Let's try one last time:

How many allegations have you made in the past that have been upheld by neither SS or the courts?

OctopusSocktopuss · 22/10/2011 21:53

my post got split up. Am not using the phone now so should be easier to post.

CAFCASS weren't scared of him, the dc were. The contact was arranged over several months to build up the dc's confidence in their dad. It took a long time to get to that point. We had a final hearing where we felt that the dc were ok with their dad and the relationship had improved a lot. The family courts push for this. Ex was on his best behaviour with them at all times. They enjoyed 'plastic daddy' as they called him for a long while. I supported this as much as I could. I WANT them to have a nice dad. I want them to see him.

The courts have always listened to what I've had to say, but their agenda is to get contact established, away from the contact centre as soon as possible. I saw many mums there who just couldn't believe that the courts had allowed some very violent men to have contact with their children.

Tyr I'm not going to spend my thread arguing with you. You have a hidden agenda of your own which you are not declaring. Why don't you share with me your experience and then I can see why you have assumed, having not ever met me, that I am making this assault up?

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OctopusSocktopuss · 22/10/2011 21:55

and yes ex has admitted by text that he had a fight with ds, he did pin him down. He didn't say he'd thrown him on the floor. But then I would think he wouldn't want to admit that bit

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Wooooooooooooooppity · 22/10/2011 21:55

The courts don't uphold allegations by women, because the courts are full of tossers who believe misogynist shit like men like Tyr do.

Don't feel you have to explain yourself to him Octopus, men like him are just terrified men will be held to account for their abuse so they prefer to believe that the abuse is non-existent or is carried out only by women. Projection.

Wooooooooooooooppity · 22/10/2011 21:58

LOL at Tyr's hidden agenda.

It's not really all that hidden is it? Grin

OctopusSocktopuss · 22/10/2011 22:01

The thing is Woo is that this isn't my allegation, this is ds's allegation. I didn't call SS the school did. DS has been in total control of this, and whilst I encouraged him to report it (or I would have done if he hand't) so anyone who wants to say that I've made it up, well I haven't have I. Ds was able to say exactly what happened. The more Tyr posts the more I know the way it was reported was the right way to do it, as I am not in control of this process at all. I can't call SS and say that I want it all to stop.

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OctopusSocktopuss · 22/10/2011 22:04

lol no not very well hidden Grin

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Tyr · 22/10/2011 22:08

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OctopusSocktopuss · 22/10/2011 22:15

Tyr I havent made this allegation
My son did
Have you not read the op
My ex admits that they had a fight
I can't stop the process Tyr, I didn't start it, ds did
Which is of course his right

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OctopusSocktopuss · 22/10/2011 22:17

Tyr would rather we ignored their father's abuse

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AnyPhantomFucker · 22/10/2011 22:23

TYR is now patrolling the Lone parents topic looking for people to shoot down

wtf is wrong with this ?

OctopusSocktopuss · 22/10/2011 22:30

AF I have come across him before and seen many threads that he's been on. The MO is always the same. I'd like to hear what happened to him to see why he is so convinced that ALL women are liars

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