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Social Services now involved due to ex assaulting ds1, feel like I've let him down (long)

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OctopusSocktopuss · 20/10/2011 21:37

Have name changed for this thread, but have been here a long time.

There is a long history with my ex which is too long to go into detail here (I would be here all day) but don't want to drip feed, so I'll give you all the bits I think are relevant. We have been divorced for 6 years, he doesn't work and was a controlling abusive man when we were together and still continues to try to be now. I have always had to work full time to support us.

We have had issues in the past over the way he treats the dc (ds1 is 9 and ds2 is 7) and I have stopped contact in the past, only for him to take me to court, where the court have seemed to dismiss my concerns for their wellbeing.

OK, so having re-established contact last year, which was built up slowly with supervised contact, leading to him having them eventually overnight, the relationship seemed to be getting better.

He owes me quite a lot of csa money, which he has nagged me to write off so he can get a job. He refuses to get a job until I do this because they will put an attachment of earnings on his salary, I took the view that I was never going to get it anyway so if he was willing to do a deal and take on the responsibility of some of the school runs (I have just started a new job) that would make up for it. We fell out over the method of payment for the money he was going to give me instead, I wanted it by DD he wanted to pay cash. He shouted and screamed at me when picking the boys up one morning because I was changing the goal posts and refused to do anymore school runs. I cancelled the deal and told him I had sorted the school runs. It dawned on me how easily he had managed to get some control over my life again and so I disengaged from him and arranged childcare.

He is obviously enraged about this. He wanted the money to be written off.
Part of the contact order is that he picks the boys up on a Monday after school, gives them tea and drops them back - about 3 hours in total.

Last Monday ds1 told me, at bed time, that his dad had been a bit naughty. I probed a bit more and it transpires that they had fallen out, over some money that ds1 had that his dad had spent, and he wanted it back. They had a massive row, ex picked him up and threw him on the floor. He then pinned him down by his arms and legs and hit him on the chest. He had a red mark on his chest, but I didn't really notice any other bruising as his legs are already covered in bike scratches etc.

DS1 didn't want me to make a fuss, he didn't want to be interviewed by CAFCASS again and go through the court process. I did ask if his dad had told him to say that, but he says not. I told him that I couldn't let it go as it was too serious. So as a compromise I asked him to tell his teacher.
My thinking, rightly or wrongly (Im thinking I handled this badly now) was that if I wasn't the one who reported it I couldn't be accused by ex of reporting him to SS out of spite, the whole episode would carry more credibility as it would come from DS1 directly, and I guess somewhere I wanted someone else to make the decision.

I texted ex to ask what happened. He was dismissive. He said they'd had a row and he had restrained him, but it was all sorted. He then sent a load of texts reminding me of things I had apparently done in the past. I didn't respond to these (false) allegations just kept to the incident Monday and tried to get the facts. He didn't say he was sorry, or admit any kind of wrong doing at all.

It's taken D1 until today to tell his teacher. So I was called to the school, where Social Services had interviewed ds1 and were in the process of interviewing ds2 who was there at the time. I have to take him to the doctor tomorrow to examine bruises on his legs which are from his dad throwing him on the floor.

I guess I need a bit of hand holding through this one, I feel like I've let ds1 down by not reporting it myself, I really didn't know what to do. I've been accused of over reacting by ex over incidents in the past.

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AnyPhantomFucker · 22/10/2011 22:31

I dread to think, octopus Hmm

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OctopusSocktopuss · 22/10/2011 22:53

ah here's the thread, it disappeared for a while

yes that's exactly it AF I can perhaps get an insight as to how my ex will view this and how he's likely to respond. I will be to blame and none of it wil be his fault at all.

I have no control over this process. SS have. It's a legal process
Ex has no right to deal with the dc in a violent way and hopefully they won't carry too much of this with them. They are remarkable well adjusted kids in spite of what they've seen their father do in the past.

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LoopyLoopsPussInBoots · 22/10/2011 22:59

In all seriousness, might he be your ex? His posts are really creepy.

OctopusSocktopuss · 22/10/2011 23:05

LoopyLoups it's occurred to me before, and it freaked me out. However Tyr is actually more eloquent than my ex so I think he is just the same sort of bloke who had had some kind of experience and now thinks that every situation is the same as his. He projects his own life onto others and treats me the same way he'd treat his ex.

However, it does kind of justify to me why I dealt with the situation as I did, and maybe for anyone reading they can see the kind of shit I put up with from my ex. The constant doubt that I have over reacted and made up the whole thing. Well this time no-one can say that. DS reported it. I'm really glad now that it did happen the way it did being reported

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OctopusSocktopuss · 22/10/2011 23:08

ah I see why the thread disappeared
Tyr's posts have been deleted

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AnyPhantomFucker · 22/10/2011 23:10

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dawning realisation, eh ?

good

AnyPhantomFucker · 22/10/2011 23:13

sorry, MNHQ, that sounded very snippy

Tyr's posts gone, mine still stands (for now)

good work, really

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OctopusSocktopuss · 22/10/2011 23:21

Actually I've only ever seen the side of him that was on this thread. It didn't surprise me that he popped up at all, and his views were predictable.
But as I've said, he didn't phase me at all, I've dealt with a man exactly like him for over 12 years now and I know that men like this are delusional. Everything is someone else's fault.

This time though my ds fought back against his dad, and I think that ex has ruled the dc with fear all this time and for the first time my ds stood up to him. He swore back. He hit him back. All his control was gone. The only thing he had left was to be stronger than a 9 yr old.

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AnyPhantomFucker · 22/10/2011 23:23

Octo...when it gets to that, then he has lost Sad

OctopusSocktopuss · 22/10/2011 23:31

My ds1 is no angel, he is hard work, he and I have our moments, but the only way to get the behaviour I want is to connect with him. I've started the old MN classic 'you were very rude then, did you mean to be, did you know you were?' line and it's working with him. He doesn't always realise his attitude comes across as rude.

But he is sooo like me, I'm not frightened of his dad and he isn't either, any more. I don't want him to be frightened of anyone. That's no way to be. I love my ds's strength of character and his attitude to life, even if I sometimes tear my hair out at it sometimes

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AnyPhantomFucker · 22/10/2011 23:34

my dd (16) and I clash like fuck

we are sooo similar

could I ever imagine holding her down physically until she bruises ?

no

and no, again

OctopusSocktopuss · 22/10/2011 23:38

the bruises are where he threw him on the floor AF, he said that if ds was going to knock his cushions on the floor then he was going to put him on the floor, then threw him on the floor.

Any no, I may clash with ds, the very qualities I love and admire causing problems, but I could never hurt him, my baby who I nursed through the night, no way. Not ever.

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AnyPhantomFucker · 22/10/2011 23:42

pin to floor ?

throw on floor ?

it's all crossing a line innit...the line that tells you not to physically abuse your children

it is wrong...and your ex should face the consequences

OctopusSocktopuss · 22/10/2011 23:55

thin end of the wedge isn't it. That's what I think. If the only control he now has over ds1 is a physical one, by the time he's 14 they'll be having stand up fights. I do think it escalated beyond ex's expectations, I don't think he ever meant it to happen, but that 's not an excuse. Once you start controlling your kids in this way it's never going to get any better is it?

I've never smacked my dc, never, I just don't agree with it. They know I don't agree with it and fwiw I did tell ds1 that his behaviour towards his father wasn't acceptable, he shouldn't swear or hit anyone, but I've had to concede that on this occasion he was defending himself, under extreme provocation. So hard to be able to explain this one to him. Sometimes it's ok to defend yourself, but mostly it's better not to retaliate but walk away

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ComradeJing · 23/10/2011 07:58

Well done octopus. I really hope everything works out and your ds get through this with as minimal fuss and upset as possible.

I'd have a chat with your son's teacher and the sw about how you aren't sure what you are and aren't over reacting to. Better to tell them too much than too little now.

Pleased to see mnhq are finally seeing tyr for what he really is.

greengoose · 23/10/2011 11:36

As someone who worked for years with boys who were abused by people they trusted, I think you are needing to think seriously about the trousers your ex was wearing in front of the kids.

It is not ok to be wearing sexualised clothing that show off your penis in front of your children. Thats just a fact. Sorry. The trousers can only be explained as something that he has for sexual reasons, so why is he choosing to wear them in front of his sons?? It is not enough to leave this in the hands of your sons. Just because they have brought up the fact he pushed one of them down, it does not mean that they will EVER mention this to anyone. Children react in a whole different way to sexual abuse, there is no reason to think they will ever say anything even if a lot more is happening.

If you were to mention this to SS they would act on it. The worst that could happen for your DC is that they would very carefully be asked some questions and contact would be stopped. If you say nothing the worst that could happen is that something very wrong is happening, and you would be allowing it to continue, even although you had your suspicions. You have the duty of care here, even if it is very very difficult. You cant ignore this, and you cant just leave it to him to find an excuse, this needs dealt with by SS, it really really does. Im so sorry, but you have to do this.

Lets put it this way, if DC were in a park, and a man came into park with those trousers on and sat on a bench in full view of the kids in the park, what do you think parents would do??? They would be horrified and move their children away and report him. Its just that clear that this is not Ok.

He know it is wrong too, this is not something you see him dressed in, so he is deliberately changing into this in his house with your boys. There is no way to make that reasonable is there? You need to tell someone. Please dont let things just continue. Its essential for your sons you do this, even if nothing else (because what has happened would be termed as abusive) has happened yet there is a chance this is grooming, ie preparing the ground and testing the waters for things to be stepped up.

You have a right to be protected from your husband. You can share this information with children's services, express your view that you believe you should stop contact, but point out that the risk to you (and consequently to your children) from domestic violence is substantial and that you want anonymity around this allegation. Children's Services and the police can then use this information in their interviews with the children (I'm guessing the children will be video interviewed anyway as a result of the allegation about being thrown to the floor). They can then talk to the children about normal family life with their father, what they do, what they wear etc and without prompting give the children permission to talk about what is happening in their father's home. Children's services will then have this information directly from the children giving you a greater degree of protection. Even if they do not and things come up at a later point there will be corroborative information on children's services' files which will help you protect your children and help them protect themselves.

You should try to get some support for yourself through this process. Women's Aid is a good starting point. you can find their details online, and speak to them in confidence. I will keep an ear to this thread, and be thinking about you.

OctopusSocktopuss · 23/10/2011 13:09

Fuck
Ok I'm hoping ledkr is coming over tonight and I'm going to ask her how to go about this. Thanks for your experience greengoose.

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AnyPhantomFucker · 23/10/2011 13:40

oo, are you a RL mate of ledkr then ?

she is fab

OctopusSocktopuss · 23/10/2011 13:41

She is awsome
We have been drunk together yes!

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