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Why won't men date single parents?

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persephonesnape · 12/01/2011 09:48

I have an argument brewing with a male acquaintance who won't date any single parent (not a specific person.) I need ammunition! I suspect his 'argument' will consist of ridiculous pre-conceptions and judgements along the lines of?'single parents are looking for a dad substitute Hmm, single parents are looking for an open wallet Hmm, they'll always put their child first [well, ok.. ] single parents are desperate Hmm single parents are easy Hmm or horrifically complicated (!) Hmm we're broken Hmm sloppy seconds Hmm we're poor judges of character because the father of our child(ren) f*cked off Hmm They're OK for a 'bit of fun' but you wouldn't want to take on her kids Hmm

Can anyone think of any more? What are the counter arguments? ( I know lots! I just wonder if there are any I haven?t heard of yet?)

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persephonesnape · 12/01/2011 09:48

Smiles at all the Hmms

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Sarsaparilllla · 12/01/2011 09:51

Probably for the same reasons some women wouldn't date a man who was a single parent.

I once tried it and it all did become horribly complicated so I wouldn't be keen to get involved with someone who had kids again.

Dropdeadfred · 12/01/2011 09:51

well, my husband dated me when i was a single parent of two...now we are married and have had another child together..so not all men refuse
Bu as often the final goal of dating is to settle down with someone perhaps alot of people (men and women) do not feel ready to have 'ready made' children there from the start

BooBooGlass · 12/01/2011 09:51

I think he's entitled to think that really. I'm not sure I would want to date someone with kids of their own, which makes me a MASSIVE hypocrite. I think his reasons are slightly dubious. But my dp isn't going out with a 'single mum'. He's going out with me, and I happen to have children, who as of yet he has very little to do with, and rightly so. I guess we both got lucky that he's not so narrow minded as your friend. I can see that there are some bad instances of single mums who do expect men to take on the daddy role immediately, but there are lots of nutters out there, single parent or not Grin

sjm123 · 12/01/2011 09:53

If I was a single, childless bloke I don't think I'd be interested in getting involved with a single parent either to be honest.

Lots are though, I was with one for 5 years. For some reason he seems to think that knowing the kids for just under 4 years now means he's their dad and can stick his beak in but that's an entirely different subject!

Ragwort · 12/01/2011 09:58

Not sure what the point of having the argument is - he's got his reasons and you've got your's (unless you want to date him Grin).

electra · 12/01/2011 10:05

Well I've got three (and mental health problems!) I've never had a problem attracting people (although some of them have been the wrong people admittedly).

I think I'd assume that anyone who said they would never date anyone with children is probably a tosser tbh and I wouldn't want to be with anyway.

electra · 12/01/2011 10:07

BTW I would be happy to date a single guy with kids.

persephonesnape · 12/01/2011 10:09

Ragwort, not when he thinks like that! I'm not a loon! Smile No, it's just indicative to me of the judgements that people have of single parents as a group without knowing the individuals involved. I know plenty of fabulous single mums who took real confidence knocks relating to the father(s) of their children and this lazy stereotyping just seems to add to them ending up with cocklodgers and idiots because they seem to think that is all they deserve. Of course we can't legislate for personal preference Smile people will fall in love with who they fall in love with, but I always think the best way to consider dating is with an open mind and heart.

Although?. I wouldn't consider dating someone already in a relationship! Is that double standards?

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allgonebellyup · 12/01/2011 10:16

i keep finding all these really attractive men on dating sites, then you scroll down and it says "happy to date someone with kids?" and the answer is always "NO". Sad

allgonebellyup · 12/01/2011 10:17

Although i have met several men who dont have a problem with it, and some seem to quite enjoy have kids as part of the package.

PolythenePam · 12/01/2011 10:24

Some will, some won't.

Some people don't want to be arsed with the hassle of someone else's kids.

I think that's allowed. I'm not fond of OPC either.

BaggedandTagged · 12/01/2011 10:31

I don't think it's just men. I have to admit when I was internet dating I did tick the 'no' box to men with children.

I'm just not that into children- I like my own, but I wouldn't volunteer to be a step parent.

elastamum · 12/01/2011 10:32

I think he is entitled to his pov. I have a male (single parent) friend, who says dating single parents is really hard because as the man you will never be top of the womans priority list. So if you really ike the woman you have to be comfortable with your place in the priority order - he thinks that is right btw, thats just how it is.

Have also been turned down by men because of the children - thats fair enough - as the children come first

hmmSleep · 12/01/2011 10:35

I know plenty of men who have dated and gone on to marry single parents. My Db is in a relationship with a woman who has 2 children from a previous relationship. I however don't think I would date someone with children if I didn't already have my own.

I think your question should be 'Why won't some people date single parents?' instead of ' men '.

maktaitai · 12/01/2011 10:39

I think much much better to refuse to date people with children than to get into a relationship with someone with children and be a complete nightmare.

Believe what people tell you about themselves. If they don't think they'd be much cop as a step-parent, they're probably right.

StellaBrillante · 12/01/2011 10:42

I haven't had a problem with it as such but then I do think that I dropped my standards since my divorce which has totally backfired. The last guy I dated actually used the fact that he had dated a single mum before as a big 'selling point' although it never got to the point where I felt comfortable introducing ds to him.
Now though, I am not ready to compromise and I do feel that I'm getting slightly paranoid about men perceiving the single mum as some desperate woman, hunting for prey. It may all be in my head and my self esteem / confidence but as a result I am much more withdrawn and serious when I am talking to men just in case they start to think "there goes the desperate woman", in particular in environments where people know that I am on my own.

StellaBrillante · 12/01/2011 10:47

Forgot to say that I once dated a single dad and I found it slightly problematic but only because he had been on his own raising his daughter since she was a little baby. It hasn't made me rule out doing it again though!

missmehalia · 12/01/2011 10:54

What an interesting one!! I do see his reservations when it comes to whether or not you could ever come first with someone who has children. It's not a brilliant thought.. and a single female friend of mine says the same about a guy with any children.

However, it's easy to see things as black and white when it's just a principle/idea. Not so easy if you meet someone you think is just fab, and they happen to have a child/children.

I met my DH online. We didn't meet all of each other's set criteria at all (beware writing a shopping list, you could be doing yourself out of all kinds of great experiences and relationships!!) Not sure what he thought of the kids thing. However, we worked it out! It's up to the adults involved to make it work for them. It also helps that neither of us are that into 'going out' dating/pubs/clubs etc. We both really like the family lifestyle, into similar food/telly etc. Some basic compatibilities!

Also, the parent in the relationship has to (over time and built-up trust, obv) allow the incoming partner at least SOME rights as a significant adult in their child's life, IMHO. Otherwise, as the incoming partner, you will have a few responsibilities there but nothing to balance it out. Makes building a relationship with that child very difficult for them, too, which has ended up being totally central to any success we've had. It helped that DD's bio left long ago, so as far as she was concerned, there was a vacancy. She interviewed and after some time offered new partner a position! So it felt like her choice too, to her.

He was mature enough at the beginning to realise what's involved (tho no kids himself at the time) and be open to it. I saw it as a sign of maturity in him, too, though he's a few years younger than me.

Also helped that I didn't need rescuing, I had a great life and DD was very secure, I just liked the idea of someone to share things with. The fact that DD and I were confident and secure individuals who had worked through any baggage as much as we could helped too. We were not looking for a walking wallet, or any other thing of the sort. And I was prepared to make space for a new partner emotionally, not simply harp on about my child always coming first. It's not that clear-cut, they have ended up coming equal first. I've caught myself stepping in a few times if I feel he's made the wrong judgement call, but we've discussed it afterwards and always find a way to back each other up in the end.

Not all single parents are hopelessly under-resourced in every way! I would't want to be a rescuer either.

Show your friend this threat!!! Grin

BaggedandTagged · 12/01/2011 10:56

Just to add, I think most people who don't want to date a single parent arent making judgements about single parents but just don't want to get involved with other people's kids. It's not something to be taken lightly, and it's not something you can side step so if you're not into it, it's probably better to be honest about it from the off.

missmehalia · 12/01/2011 10:57

OMG, I meant THREAD!! Can't stop laughing now.

electra · 12/01/2011 11:06

I agree that if you meet someone who is really right for you then you wouldn't care if they already had children or not. In fact, if you thought a great deal of them you would probably want their children to be a part of your life anyway.

So the theory is surely different from how it really is in practice?

missmehalia · 12/01/2011 11:08

PS There is a certain amount of ego involved, too, if someone only sees the situation in terms of what they think they've got to offer, as opposed to what they may gain...

sjm123 · 12/01/2011 11:11

missmehalia

It sounds as though you are in a similar position to where I was 5 years ago. Kids dad hasn't been seen or heard from in years, met (now ex) after a year and a bit introduced him to kids, kids liked him, grew to love him, he loves them, started calling him dad etc. It would have been lovely if it had lasted.

While he had a fair input and we just lived as a family rather than me and kids and him while we were together it has left things very difficult now that we've split. He seems to think that he's entitled to spend as much time with my kids as me, have a say in everything that goes on with them, can try and bully and pressure me regarding where we live, ask the kids for details of my life when he feels like it etc. If ever asked I'd advise a single parent getting involved with a single man to be very wary of letting them get too involved and to set clear boundaries so they know where they'll stand if you do split, it can blow up in your face and complicate things hugely if you're not careful. Or maybe my ex is just a bit of a nutter. I'd never get involved with a single childless man again. Saying that I don't think I'll get truly involved with any man again.

Apologies for hijacking of thread with my own nonsense there!

persephonesnape · 12/01/2011 11:29

Hmmsleep you are, of course, absolutely right - apologies, it should clearly be 'why won't some people date single parents?'

I did use to think that with my three, I just wouldn't have any (heart) room for anyone elses children. I think i was wrong.

hahahaha missmehalia - freudian slip? WinkI think you both seem to have a lovely attitude towards relationships.

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