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Merton: dumbing-down Dundonald Primary School?

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page1 · 03/06/2011 14:15

  1. Merton Council's consultation process regarding the proposed expansion of Dundonald Primary School(DPS) has now commenced and information can be obtained from their website or that of DPS. The Council has distributed a leaflet to residents for feedback and is due to hold a public meeting on Wednesday 8 June.
  1. Disappointingly, the Conservatives, LibDems and Independents have been very quiet on the issue. The Labour Party has given out letters supporting the proposed expansion and, to his credit, Cllr Walker has had the courage to put his personal credibility on the line given his close involvement with the campaign. However, threatening parents/carers that they will have to take their children to school in Morden if the Council doesn't get its way seems a little extreme. Frankly, parents don't care how far they travel if their children can attend an outstanding state school.
  1. It seems that the governors of DPS only agreed to an expansion programme on condition that the Council provided more space. The governors knew that this was impossible for the Council to achieve because of the existence of the restrictive covenant concerning the neighbouring park (see the petition on the Council website).
  1. The proposal to double the size of DPS, starting with the temporary bulge class, has caused much concern to parents of pupils at the school as witnessed by DPS being forced to issue an explanatory letter and Q&A to try and quell those fears.
  1. DPS is a popular school because it had an outstanding rating from Ofsted following the last inspection and it is the ideal size. It currently has around 250 pupils which is the average number for a primary school in England. If it doubles in size, parents fear that standards may slip. Merton has 40+ primary schools of which only 6 were rated outstanding and the majority of those were 1FE schools ie similar number of pupils to DPS.
  1. Parents are also worried by the disruption to their children's education that will occur once construction begins on such a small and restricted site with all the attendant health and safety issues.
  1. The school currently enjoys a harmonious relationship with the neighbouring community which might not survive if the Council's plans prevail.
  1. Somewhat surprisingly, the Council's consultation process takes no account of ethnic diversity.

Please feel free to forward this to and/or discuss the contents with any parents of pupils at Dundonald Primary School who may have concerns about the Council's plans and say NO to the proposal.

PAGE - Parents AGainst Expansion

OP posts:
bonita99 · 25/04/2012 18:25

Ok so i spoke to the council again and now we're 225m away from Dundonald ShockAngryConfused !!!

wimbledonian · 25/04/2012 18:58

8 metres too far - such bad luck. But surely you must be top of the waiting list? Is there any chance they might just add a bulge class in advance of the expansion? It's what they've done at other schools in the past. Though where they'd fit the extra class is anyone's guess.

Primafacie · 26/04/2012 09:57

Oh Bonita Shock! You have got to be top of the list though. I'm sure some places will come up - if I remember right, the Wimbledon High assessment is after state school applications, so it takes just one little girl who got an offer from WH and you're in...

bonita99 · 26/04/2012 23:06

I guess its a game of wait and see now but tbh i'm pretty peeved and had enough of the whole thing Sad

Now i don't know the details but the timing is just off to me .... a house (closer to Dundonald) has just gone on the market and their kid got in and they only moved into the place last summer !!! Hmm

wimbledonian · 27/04/2012 00:06

Hmm Bonita, how galling for you. It seems like quite a few families do move away once they've got in, judging from the places where I pass kids on their way to school.

gazzalw · 27/04/2012 06:14

That's really blatant isn't it???? Think the Council should be more rigorous in ensuring that if a family gets a sought-after place, they stay put for at least six months....So potentially, this famjly, whose house has just gone on the market, could have upped and moved out of the tiny catchment area by the time their child starts at Dundonald. Shame on them!

womble25 · 27/04/2012 13:57

This document:
www.merton.gov.uk/council/getinvolved/consultation/dundonald_planning_application_leaflet_distributed_18_april_2012.pdf

confirms that only 0.6% (that's six one-thousandths) of the green space in 'the rec' will be lost by the school expansion plan.

bonita, I'm so sorry to hear that you just missed out.

I think it's desparately unfair that the 'Save Our Rec' bullies are willing to sacrifice children's education (other people's children, naturally) in order to artificially inflate their own house-prices.

designerbaby, I think the best way to get our voices heard is to respond in writing to the planning consultation, when it takes place.

Annby · 28/04/2012 11:08

Does anyone know what happens after the Council submitted planning application? As I know it takes 8 weeks, and if it's approved, then construction can commence. But what about all this upper tribunal application etc? Or 'save our rec' are loosing the battle? when do you think we'll know the answer?

Primafacie · 28/04/2012 12:58

The upper tribunal application is still pending I think. Planning permission has not been obtained yet. They are behind schedule by a couple of months at least.

piji · 30/04/2012 14:43

A new blog on this issue is here:

saveourrecproblems.wordpress.com/

piji · 01/05/2012 11:41

Local journalist Omar Oakes is interested in talking to people who have been affected by this issue, and are willing to go on the record.

bonita, I think it would be worth you telling him your story - more publicity could get more school places opened up.

I'm sure he'd also be interested in hearing from anyone who's felt intimidated by the "Save Our Rec" crew, and is willing to talk about it.

Primafacie · 03/05/2012 10:38

Update - the planning application has finally been submitted and is now available online. I can't link to the application itself for some reason, but the application number is 12/P1058 and the search engine for all planning applications is here.

The link explains how to provide comments on the application.

Please express your support and spread the word (to supporters of the expansion, of course :o). The consultation period is only a few weeks long and I have no doubt that the Save Our Rec gang will flood the council with the same old objections. We desperately need more local school places in the area. It is not fair that our children should go to their 10th nearest school (or worse).

Feel free to bump :)

designerbaby · 04/05/2012 12:05

HI Prima,
Thanks for this and duly bumping...

However, where can one respond? Can't see how on the link - but possibly am being a dullard... Blush

Response letters make, erm, interesting reading...

Along the lines of:

"Rant rant rant, don't build on the rec. I haven't paid any attention to plans, or proposed scheme, but don't change anything. Ever. Rant rant, I've no idea what you're planning, really, and I don't care. Rant, rant. i just don't like CHANGE, mumble, rant. No, I haven't noticed (or commented on) the fact that planned encroachment is a teeny 0.6% of current rec and will make not one iota of difference to the usage of the area, and in fact it will all look a whole lot better. Because I'm not going to LOOK because I'm too busy ranting. I'm far more interested in the focussing on the covenant "to the letter" rather than using my common sense and keeping to the spirit of the covenant. Rant rant. Oh and I don't really give a stuff about the education of local children. I like the playground just as it is and absolutely despise you for planning on making it better. How very DARE you improve local facilities! You're going to build flats ALL OVER the rec. Even though you're not I'm going to make out that you are! [and make stupid posters] Rant, rant. Yours, V. Meldrew."

Hmm

Is that your take-out too?

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Primafacie · 04/05/2012 14:39

how to comment

I particulary enjoy the reference to our "forefathers" having wanted to protect this "jewel of London open space" (or words to that effect). It's a park. It's not central park. And it's not the declaration of independence ffs! :o

AnyParent · 07/05/2012 00:20

Typical, blame others for their views. Where were you championing the building of new school places when the Council was building new homes for young families in Merton? Blame the Council members who have avoided all responsibility and ignored published data on population trends until it became a really desperate issue. Retaliate with the people who have let us all down. Write to them with your dissatisfaction and don't take it out on people with a right to their view.

Primafacie · 07/05/2012 03:30

Anyparent, you are right that the coucil should have planned it better, and created more school places earlier, but that would only have meant Dundonald school being expanded five years ago instead of now, so that argument doesn't go anywhere. There doesn't seem to be any suitable local site for building a school in the town centre which is where school places are needed. Short of going back in time, what do you suggest could be done now to offer school places to local children? Are you aware of the fact that there are a few streets near Dundonald where there is a catchment void - which means they are too far from any of the 10 nearest schools to get in any? Shouldn't these families have an equal right to local school places? What is the alternative for people like bonita, whose child will have to travel to Mitcham despite living 225m from the school?

As for blaming others for their views, it is hard not to feel strongly about people who claim our children would 'dumb down' 'their' school. I don't see you denouncing the intimidation of local families who support the expansion, as has been reported up thread, so you are hardly in a position to claim the moral high ground. Yes, I understand that people who live opposite the park will face disturbance from the expansion, but that is the cost of living in society - your local area has changed, it now has many more families, and the rec is not your private property, so you can't treat it as if it were and attempt to keep others out of it. There is a balancing of interests that is required, and in my view, education trumps bowling.

AnyParent · 07/05/2012 15:39

To point out the responsibility of our elected representatives is not a moral stance. It is their role in our society which determines how resources are allocated and money spent. So start by lobbying them now as there are hurdles that parents have to get to grips with at all stages of children's education, especially in Merton.

The repeated phrase that there is no alternative to the expansion of Dundonald School is a mantra which is probably self-fulfilling. However, this superficial 'can't do' attitude mimics the 'Save the Park' zealotry.

So, it's okay for Bishop Gilpin School to vote not to expand, but not Dundonald? The Chase has expanded, was it enough? The Council sold off the bequested private school on the corner of Dorset Road, could that have been used? Rutlish School has ample land for a school. Of course, there is Wimbledon Common!

Children are our future. The growth in numbers is making many of us compromise on our choices, and bow the voice of the majority.

piji · 07/05/2012 19:33

AnyParent, Bishop Gilpin is a church school. Legally, it cannot be forced to expand. I would say it's not very Christian for them to say "we're ok, screw everybody else", but that's - legally - rather beside the point.

I'd have been quite happy with the Tory school-building plan - I thought it was a pretty decent plan, I said so in the consultation. It was a shame when the Labour council cancelled it. I was also absolutely fine with the idea of a school on the former Manor House site (corner of Dorset Rd) - it was a shame that was found to be too small.

Equally, I think the current school expansion plan is fairly decent. It does no harm to the Rec (in fact it improves the pavilion facilities). No loss of open space, over 99% of the Rec still covered by the restrictive covenant, larger children's playground. The bowling green goes, but that's going anyway.

Most of the alternative sites you mention are not in the Dundonald area. If you look upthread you'll see a parent living 235m from Dundonald school whose child has just not got in to the school.

The problem is not, as you suggest above, that there has been extra house-building elsewhere in the borough, and that that's putting pressure on schools in the Dundonald area; the problem is that:

  1. there's a baby boom, and

  2. under normal economic conditions, a proportion of people move house further out of London just before their children start primary school - that's not happening at the moment because of the recession, and

  3. under normal economic conditions, more people elect to send their children to fee-paying schools - again, the recession has reduced that proportion.

You seem to suggest that the NIMBY's views should not be criticised because they're sincerely held; I have two problems with that:

  1. If they're sincerely held but they're harmful to part of our society - children, who do need to be educated - then I see no reason they should be above criticism, and

  2. I don't think that the "Save Our Rec" clique are being honest when they say (for example) that the Council plans to close the Rec and build flats on the site. They know that there is no such plan. So that's not a 'view' so much as a 'lie'.

Ultimately, a solution to the school-places crisis which involves us travelling back in time and making a different decision three years ago is not a very practical solution. Neither is punishing children (by depriving them of an education) for the mistakes of politicians. I'm annoyed with both parties for using this issue as a political football - but children need school places.

Blame away, but it's not a good argument against creating school places.

There are certainly some old people in the area who've been frightened by the NIMBYs' scare-mongering into believing that the Council plans to close the Rec and build on the whole site - them I feel sorry for. But that's an argument for publicising the facts about the expansion scheme, not for withholding criticism of the NIMBYs.

AnyParent · 08/05/2012 01:23

Beside the point. The Bishop Gilpin decision has had a knock on effect within the Borough which has been profound. The affordable new building for young couples has not included social amenities including schools. Go and see reality.

No parents/constituents made cogent arguments against this travesty.

Dundonald School, The Chase School, The Willows School, The Castles School and The London University of Arts all within 5 minute walk. This is the highest density of individual educational establishments in the borough. It does affect us and our locality. So do not tar us all with the brush of NIMBY.

Condescending remarks of the elderly's understanding of Council planning is a real low.

The children need places. Join the rat race and learn to compromise. Like the rest of us, the first choice may not be possible. The alternatives available mean that parental efforts in travel and involvement in scholastic events are onerous. It's not easy being a parent in Merton.

wimbledonian · 08/05/2012 01:35

Anyparent, it is irrelevant that the 2 nursery schools and the art college are close by - that doesn't help people who need primary school places. And people who live 225m from the school are hardly going to drive to it, so that won't affect the traffic. I think I read that the furthest likely distance any pupil would be from the proposed expanded school is 400m so traffic will not increase.
Several schools expanded some time ago eg Wimbledon Chase went to 3 form entry 4 years ago, but my understanding is that all the obvious schools have now expanded and so now some of the less obvious schools need to expand.

Primafacie · 08/05/2012 06:20

Anyparent, it is not just the first choice that is not possible - it is the TEN first choices.

One of the problems in the borough is the number of voluntary aided schools that only take CofE/Catholic pupils, making them closed to pupils of other or no faith. Because of this, non religious schools also need to expand to accomodate these other pupils. I wish state schools could give priority to other and no faith pupils so as to redress that balance, but they can't.

You may deny it all you want, but if Dundonald school does not expand, other schools will have to, some of which already expanded recently. So your position is textbook nimbyism. At the moment local children are being sent to Mitcham schools. Why should Mitcham residents pay the price of Wimbledon's population explosion?

wimbledonian · 08/05/2012 10:29

Anyparent - were you able to get your first choice school? Would you have been happy trekking over to Mitcham every day, twice a day? Especially if you lived within 250 metres of a school?
I still really wish the OP would come back and explain what the "dumbing down" comment was all about, as it baffles me.
Bonita - has there been any movement on waiting lists yet?

AnyParent · 08/05/2012 15:43

Earlier contributors complained about the intimidation of those for expansion by the Save the Rec brigade. It would seem that these responses are of an equivalent nature. I'll go to the relevant bodies to see whether to respond to the Planning Application. Thank you and goodbye.

designerbaby · 08/05/2012 17:05

Eh?

Anyparent, I don't see anyone being remotely intimidating towards you?

Certainly no-one has threatened to have your children expelled from their school... Which is the type of things the Save The Rec brigade have been up to. That and getting people fired from their jobs. Oh, and making up stories about future building plans (which don't exist) to frighten the more vulnerable and less well informed members of the community.

You have been challenged as to the basis of your opposition which seems to be based around the premise that we shouldn't be in this mess in the first place. Which isn't tremendously helpful, as someone has said, without the benefit of a time machine. But I hardy think that qualifies as intimidation, does it?

I'm baffled, but not entirely surprised.

It's easier to flounce off than offer constructive counter-suggestions to suport your argument that expansion of Dundonald isn't necessary or desirable.

But go on. Flounce away. It does your argument no favours, you know.
Make sure you do sufficient sniffing and hair tossing to do it properly...

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bonita99 · 08/05/2012 18:42

Spoke to the council today and they can't tell me where we're on the waiting list for Dundonald and though its 225m away, they make it sound impossible Angry

And as a "hard working merton parent" we're on the waiting lists for 2nd,3rd... preference schools too and do know when to compromise and when to politely decline an offer to a school 2.5 miles away.