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Moving to Virginia with young family, any advice on meeting other mums?

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RedPowerRanger · 22/10/2008 01:27

I'm moving to Reston, Virginia with DH and our two young sons in January '09. My older son is 3 years old now and the younger one is 3 months old. DH is a lot more hyped up about the move and I'm less so because it means starting over again with two young children. We moved to our current home nearly three years ago and I made some good friends through local toddler groups and classes. I think that'll have to be the way to make friends again in Virginia but what's the equivalent of toddler groups there and how do I find out about them?

Any MNs with experience of raising v. young family in Virginia and how to meet other mums in Reston?

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MadamDeathstare · 22/10/2008 02:55

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SuperBunny · 22/10/2008 02:59

I know someone who lived in Virginia - I can ask them, if you like.

In addition to the things MadameDeath mentioned, look out for things like Gymboree and MusicTogether - we have made lots of good friends through MT

I think having young children actually helps you meet people.

Come join us on the All Those in the US thread

RedPowerRanger · 22/10/2008 12:11

Oh, thank you MadamDeathStare and SuperBunny. Your info is much appreciated. I'll check out the classes when I get there and look to join MOPS and MOMS. I want to be out and about when I'm there meeting other mums.

At the moment, the move and what it entails still seems slightly overwhelming. DH keeps telling me the roads are easier to drive on and it'll be fine after a week or so with a right hand drive.

I'm sure it'll be fine. See you both on the US thread.

Thanks again!

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needmorecoffee · 22/10/2008 12:33

I used to live in Reston but was homeschooling so met people that way.
Whereabouts will you be?
Reston mummys aren't like here though. Think yummy mummy times a million
Took me a week to get used to the giant 6 lane highways but longer for the summer heat.

needmorecoffee · 22/10/2008 12:37

oh, and the Virginia driving test is laughably easy and takes 5 minutes!
There's an expat shop out in Centreville when you neeeeeeeeeeeeeeeed English chocolate
anything else?

hifi · 22/10/2008 12:50

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unclefluffy · 22/10/2008 13:03

I lived in Arlington (three or four suburbs further in towards DC) but pre-baby. Nmc is dead right about the driving test. (Nmc - do you miss it? I loved NOVA.) DH asked the tester if he had any tips for him after the test was finished. The tester just said: "You can drive already - what do you mean?" It's lovely once you have a driving license - ID is pretty important in the States and it's fab when you can stop carting your precious passport around with you.

I only knew a couple of mums - mostly wives/partners of DH's workmates. If you want Brits there are loads around but I actually think that meeting Americans is more fun! Try www.meetup.com for the Washington DC area British expat group.

I'm so jealous! You're going to have proper snow and everything! (My top tip is to go to Tyson's Corner mall near Vienna and buy down-filled jackets in the LLBean sales - it will get really, really cold!)

One last thing... Hard liquor (i.e. spirits) are not sold in supermarkets in Virginia. This almost made me cry when we arrived. The shop you will be looking for is called the ABC store (Alcohol Board of Control). They will give you your gin in a brown paper bag just to make sure you're properly ashamed!

needmorecoffee · 22/10/2008 13:35

Unclefluffy - no. I came home cos I was homesick and hated it so much. I don't like driving but there were no buses and in some sub-divisions, no pavaments! I had to check the kids for ticks every night yuck and the people in the suburbs (arlington may have been better) were consumerist, often fundie church goers, drove everywhere and couldn't cope with pink haired liberal me
Maybe that was just homeschoolers but it really was like being trapped in The Stepford Wives!
The snow was nice though although we came out one morning to find 5 feet of the stuff and couldn't find the car!
Did like Freshfields and Trader Joes in Reston though. And we ate at the Tortilla Factory - we'd never eaten out in the UK so it was novel and the fact you got free tortilla chips and dip while you wated and constant refills of cokes!
There were good bits but Reston and the US wasn't me. I'm a public transport, cyclist, walk everywhere sort of left hippy.
But thank god we did leave. dd was born very brain damaged and her care would have bankrupted us despite our good insurance. plus there's no social services respite or welfare (DH gave up work to be a carer. Couldn't do that in the US!)

unclefluffy · 22/10/2008 14:07

Got to say I love the NHS - I studiously avoided medical professionals in the US because of the horror of the potential cost, even taking insurance into account. I think I was being slightly irrational (!) but it did make me nervous. And I can't imagine the horror of being left with no state support at all for a disabled child - I know UK provision is deeply inadequate, but at least there's a recognition that it's needed.

Arlington is pedestrian-friendly, on the metro and quite bus-able. We had one car between the two of us because I didn't need one to get to work and we enjoyed being able to walk to pretty much anything we wanted. I think in Reston we would have had to become a two-car family. (Not wanting to put the OP off too much... There are good things about Reston vs Arlington. For example, we could have afforded much more space if we'd lived in Reston.) Even in Arlington we used to get funny looks taking our hiking rucksack to Harris Teeter for our weekly shop: "Ma'am, don't you have a car...? This is really heavy."

I can't even begin to imagine how odd you would have seemed to a typical evangelical American home-schooler! To be fair, I do know one liberal home-schooling family in the region, but I get the impression that they are generally considered rather peculiar! I found a nest of liberal, hippy (well, 'crunchy', as the Americans say) friends through rugby. Just like here, lots of gay women play the sport - and I think lesbian and liberal go hand-in-hand, especially in places like VA. So there you go - lesbians are the way forward! Sorry you found it hard. I think I would have struggled without those rather idiosyncratic circs (i.e. finding loads of really lovely, liberal, lesbians playing rugby!)

Mmmmmm tortillas... And burritos. And flautas. And enchiladas...! [Drool]

RedPowerRanger · 22/10/2008 14:43

Needmorecoffee, come back! Tell me more! Yummy Mummies? One thing I am not is a yummy mummy. The place we live in is swimming in YumMums. I'd actually said to DH last weekend after the fifth YumMum's gleaming, highly accessorised Bugaboo sailed by us into Starbucks that I was looking forward to moving to Reston and leave YumMums behind or the majority of them at least.

NMC, give me a better idea of what I can expect. I'll go prepared then!

UncleFluffy, I think I may have to take the boys and start hanging out at rugby games or failing that, lesbian bars?

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unclefluffy · 22/10/2008 16:07

RedPower - I'm sure it won't come to that! (Although if you ever need a recommendation for a lesbian bar, there's a hilarious one on Capitol Hill which runs weekly ladies arm-wresting competitions...) Some of the rugby players actually live in Reston, so I know there are nice, relaxed, open-minded types out there. Northern Virginia is also getting steadily less Republican so I'm hopeful for you!

needmorecoffee · 22/10/2008 16:51

It depends on where you live in Reston. There are no really 'bad' areas - Reston is waaaaaaaaaaaay too expensive for that
Barton hill was a friendly sub-division (its what they call neigbourhoods). Close to the cycle path and 2 miles to reston town centre so walkeable plus on a bus route. There is a bus station in reston - its the furthest out from DC you'll get buses. Its buggery hot in the summer though - 100 degrees and humidity like a sauna. Even walking to your mail box has you sweating! Fantatsic thunderstroms and the odd tornado warning
Are you renting first to get a 'feel' for the place?
Many of the 'moms' are yummy mummys. We lost friends because I allowed unlimited TV, my kids has the odd naughty word and we didn't go to church. I remember telling some mums at a Park Day that we were reading Harry potter an d there was this abosulte silence! Same with dinosaurs.
You planning to stay there long?
The SAHM's amuse themsleves with 'scarpbook 'parties - super expensive photo albums that you buy and accessorise. you'll be cringing.
North Virginians aren't as friendly as we are. No turning up uannounced at someones door. You must make appointments with your friends. When one says 'oh, you must come over' generally they are being polite and will be horrified if you show up unless you have a specific appointment.
Its rare to see anyone out walking pushing a buggy. They drive everywhere. And they are over-rpecious about illness. Kids get taken to the doctors for a sore throat! And doctors oblige with medication. After all, they are getting paid.
Vaccinations are compulsory for kindergarten (starts at 5) and school (starts at 6) unless you have a religious exemption - easy enough to get. they insist on chickenpox vaccine. Little League Games are unvelievably competative - you'll see dad's yelling at 6 year olds for being 'losers'.
Washington DC - the Mall is lovely and the museums good. The zoo was awful when we were there but don't step outside the main street. 1 block from the White House you'll find junkies shooting up in the street and poverty that is unbelievable.
Ticks are everywhere. If your kids play outside you have to tick-check.
What else would you like to know?
Reston Town Centre - basically a fountain and square, its not like a real town centre. There's about 4 shops and a bunch of restaurants, does do activities which are fun and has a superb ice-cream parlour. Proper shops are widespread and will involve moving your car. There's no 'local' bakeries or greengrocers. Nothing like a High Street unless you live in Alexandria - which if you can afford it I would. Its lovely and more like a proper town.
Decent bread can be found in Herndon (American bread is horrible) Herndon and Reston sort of merge into each other.
What else?

RedPowerRanger · 22/10/2008 22:58

OMG. Or will I be stoned for saying that in front of the majority of mums there, NMC? Please for the love of all that is Harry Potter tell me that you are kidding about the Potter books, scrapbook parties, etc. I swear a lot when with close friends, not in front of the children but the older one does use naughty words like poo or wee when he thinks he is being amusing.

It really sounds rather alien so far. We are not churchgoers and don't plan to do so in the States.

I don't know, NMC. So far, it doesn't sound like my kind of place.

Please explain more about ticks and what I'm meant to be looking out for and what sort of problems we might have to watch out for with ticks and children.

BTW, I appreciate your filling me in on your experience of Reston.

I live in a town and walk everywhere with the boys. Love walking and being able to get everywhere on foot. Shop at my local greengrocers and get our bread at baker's shop round the corner.

I will miss my mates here so much We take the mickey out of one another a lot and things are often said tongue in cheek. I think it will be harder to do that there.

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RedPowerRanger · 22/10/2008 23:02

NMC, what friends did you make then? We're going to be there for two years and then, we'll see how it goes. I don't know what neighbourhood we will be living in - will rent when we first get there.

Did you eventually make good friends and were they American or British?

DH has been flying to Reston one week in four at the moment to work and he has been there a few times.

We are going to be looking at LANK for older son's preschool as a colleague of DH has recommended it.

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pofaced · 22/10/2008 23:09

Read United States of Hysteria by Anne Dixey: a liberal vegetarian mother's take on DC when she arrived there just before 9/11 (although she lived in Chevy Chase)

RedPowerRanger · 22/10/2008 23:16

Thanks for the recommendation, pofaced. Will I be even more alarmed by what I read rather than reassured?

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pofaced · 22/10/2008 23:19

Mmm... depends! TBH I thought it was in places quite narrow minded and assumed that everything in the UK was better and was also a bit humourless. If you view it all as a big adventure and are only going for a few years, take it with a large pinch of salt as a guidebook from one particular person.

RedPowerRanger · 22/10/2008 23:35

Interesting. I'll order a copy and see what I think. I love the UK though I am originally from a different country and culture. Came over two decades ago in my mid teens and fell in love with the British. Suppose it helped that the country I spent my formative years in is a former British colony.

I think I'm getting the jitters because I never thoughr I'd have to uproot again. I know it will be exciting but this leave taking of the friends I love here and who are my family here is pretty hard.

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needmorecoffee · 23/10/2008 08:57

2 years. You'll survive
I'll go through your questions....
Freinds - at first we met loads of homeschoolers at Park Days but its was a real effeort to get them to come over or go there. NoVa people don't really 'do' coffee mornings and hanging out. Did end up with about 4 'good' friends - Americans all. One sent me an email after a year saying i was 'too negative' cos I didn't say things like 'awesome' etc. One phoned me and told me god had said we couldn't be friends cos I wasn't a church goer (and we'd been close - been to her house for 4th July and lunch n stuff) and that my kids were a 'bad influence'. She saw ds2 have a tantrum and shout 'I hate you'. Still friends with the other 2 although nearly fell out with one cos my 12 yo dd told her 12 the facts of life and this is 'just not done'. Prudish doesn't decribe it!
Ticks - american dog ticks are small - about little fingernail and are everywhere. I would tick check the kids nightly and always find one and end up getting dh to pull it off cos I hate ticks. There are little tiny ones that spread Lyme disease but they are so small you rarely see them. The dog ticks are big buggers.
Reston is not walkeable plus in the summer it is way too hot. Months over 90F and humid like you've never encountered in the UK and there's aren't 'local' shops, just enormous strip malls with supermarkets and other things. Giant is the usual supermarket (and your eyes will bug out at the variety of junk food) but we shopped in Freshfields/Wholefoods for the organic veg and European cheese (American cheese has no tatste) and Trader Joes - good food.
You can bus from Reston to the furthest out Metro in Falls Church but mostly we would drive into DC down the Toll Road cos its pretty easy and aprking is your god-given right! The Beltway makes the M25 look sane. Do not drive on it until you are very cofident. The slow lane keeps vanishing giving you 2 nano seconds to shift lanes. And unlike our slip roads on and off motorways, they have one slip road for both so you're trying to get onto it to take the next exit and cars are coming off it to get on the beltway.
Not joking about the Harry Potter or scarpbooks. Enjoy . Mickey taking doesn't really appear in the NoVa mind althogh sometimes one will realise and ask 'are you yanking my chain?' We did make a great friend who lived across from the house we first rented. He was republican but had been to Europe and loved beer. So we'd go sit and get plastered with him on the porch and get invited to BBQ's and what not but he was unusual. Did like Hunting, they mostly do.
And compared to the rest of Virginia the north bit is positvely liberal! I drive down into redneck country a few times and couldn't believe seeing guns. Oh yeah, most of them have guns in their houses so watch the kids as you don't know if your new friend has it locked away properly or just in a drawer.

As you know its 2 years I think it shouldn't be too hard. We planned to move their permamntly and the first year was ok but I did get very lonely and stuck in the house with 3 bored kids. Too hot to go out and play (too cold in the winter) and no-one to go see and it wasn't possible to go for a walk. My kids were older than yours and home all day cos i home educated. When I got pregnant with number 4 I just wanted home and was fed up being an 'alien' with very very different views and sense of humour from those around me.
I don't know what your wages will be but poeple are more neighbourly in the 'poorer' areas. By poorer I still mean a townhouse costing $300,000. The big sub-divisions where every house has 3 garages and 5000 square feet really are Stepford Wives places. Barton Hill was nice. Its just south of the Toll Road, lots of trees so always felt cooler and you can walk to a small shopping area - Safeways supermarket and there's even pedestrain crossings! We ended up in Sterling to the north on the wrong side of Rt 7. I'd walk to the neighbour entrance - no pavements - and stare at an 8 lane highway with no crossings till DC in one direction and Leesburg 17 miles the other. No earthly way of getting to the supermarket half a mile away on foot.
Vienna is a nicer town (and the closer to DC I think there's more expats and more liberal types) but expensive cos its closer to DC. The DC suburbs of North VA and Maryland stretch out 50 miles out of DC and make a Barrats Estate look intersting.
I'm still in contact with my 2 friends only they left as soon as they could. They didn't like the uptightness of noVa either.
2 years is long enough to see everything I think before getting homesick. You can drive to New York in 5 - 6 hours and you must. Its amazing and so sfae now in manhatten. You can catch a train there from DC to Grand Central Station which is what we did. Niagara Falls is a day and a half drive (stay in a motel part way) Beaches are tricky as they are all private but we would go to Breezy Point (bout 3 hours drive) and you pay to go on the beach. The Shenandoah mountains are a few hours west and you can see bears (we had a bear wander into Reston once which was exiting) Alexandria is woorth a visit cos you will start to crave older buildings andits a harbour front town with yatchs and rich people to look at. We were there over 9/11 and could see the cloud of smoke from the Pentagon - we went to look at the hole a few weeeks later.

needmorecoffee · 23/10/2008 08:57

gawds I witter on

unclefluffy · 23/10/2008 09:01

Red - I can't help you with mums but as a region it really isn't that bad. Bits of it are Stepford-esque, but you can avoid them! Sorry for the long post, but I had a really, really good time in my 2.5 years in Virginia and I've become bizarrely fixated with other people enjoying it too!

The tick problem is to do with (a) white-tailed deer and (b) Lyme Disease. Hunting is not allowed in most Virginia towns (outside the towns, of course, it's positively encouraged!) so you get a lot of urban deer, which harbour ticks. If you play anywhere a deer might walk (including some of the large Reston back gardens) it's worth looking out for ticks and removing them. Lyme disease is rare and difficult to catch - the longer the tick is attached, the more likely it is to transfer - hence the checking! I hiked regularly in the National Park in Shenandoah and never picked up a tick, so it's not a foregone conclusion, but I was on my guard. If you get a tick bite and then a ring-shaped rash, especially accompanied by any illness, see a doc for antibiotics.

Thinking about your comments (and everyone else's) it might be worth thinking about living slightly closer to DC. Your DH would be commuting against the traffic. Northern Virginia traffic is notorious, but it's only REALLY bad if you join the rest of the region heading into DC in the morning. My DH commuted from Ballston in Arlington to Fairfax - took him 10 minutes in the car. And NOT living in Fairfax was the best decision we made when we moved. To be fair, a commute from Arlington to Reston would be slower, and would involve the toll road (Dulles Access Road). Timing would also depend what time he set off in the morning. My DH left the house by 7.30am most days. Anyway - I think a 'good' time from Ballston to Reston would be 20 minutes. If your DH is willing to drive a few miles every day, you might find a more recognisable way of life closer to DC. You could think about Falls Church too - it's got a high street and a metro stop. And Vienna has a metro stop (but is otherwise pretty dull).

Re: finding friends who take the piss out of one another... It's slightly difficult because there isn't a good American term for 'taking the piss'! But the requisite sense of humour DOES still exist. By the end, I was thinking of this as the David Sedaris test. People who listen to WAMU (local public radio station - roughly equivalent to Radio 4) and like David Sedaris will also understand irony etc. It took me a little while to settle into my new friendships, but people were friendly enough that I was happy to take the time. NMC is right about making appointments, but you can do that with your cellphone (so get one of those, pay-as-you-go if necessary, when you arrive) in a relatively informal fashion. My DH's colleagues and their families (even the yummy mummies) were INCREDIBLY welcoming and kind and loved the idea of teaching the newbie how things work. So I let them!

What else... Harry Potter! Alexandria (another town in Virginia, walking friendly as NMC mentioned, but probably an inconvenient commute for your DH) had a Harry Potter night when the last book came out. The kids were all out on the street in fancy dress, the book shops opened til midnight, some of the restaurants served special Potter menus all night, and there were ghost tours etc etc. As a home-schooler, NMC will have met the maddest of the mad, the most evangelical of the fundamentalists, the craziest churchgoers in the area. Often in the States, home schoolers choose that option to stop their kids learning about evolution, godless heathens, magic, ghosts etc. Luckily for the rest of us, that means they're nicely out of the way! Very problematic for pink-haired hippy British home-schoolers, though, I would have thought! Poor NMC - I can't even imagine it - you were possibly the bravest expat in the world! I didn't talk about religion until I had known someone a few months, and I NEVER talked about abortion. But I didn't have any of the problems I expected to have as a leftie atheist. And, to be fair, I don't talk about religion here, either - it just used to make me more nervous over there.

And finally... Washington, DC. NMC is right - you can see poverty on the streets. I can see poverty on the streets right here, though, and I live in a beautiful cathedral city in the south of England. I worked in DC for most of the time I lived in Virginia. In fact, I worked two blocks from the White House. It's safe - it's full of tourists and office-workers. Don't be put off coming into town to enjoy the museums (and I liked the zoo, too - don't tell NMC ). Hundreds of thousands of small-town Americans fly into town every year and nothing bad happens to them, even though they wouldn't know a junkie if one bit them in the ass (sorry, arse). DC is an odd place - small enough to walk around, but rather institutional - big, beautiful marble buildings, but sometimes half a mile between coffee shops! Most of the poverty and street crime is confined to South East DC - don't cross the Anacostia River and you'll never see it. If you've ever lived in London, DC will feel perfectly safe as long as you stay broadly in the centre. There's so much (great, free) stuff to do in the centre that you're unlikely to want to go anywhere else, though!

Sorry for going on and on. It's really a beautiful, fascinating part of the world. Just stay away from the Stepford Wives!

unclefluffy · 23/10/2008 09:01

NMC - x-posts! Me too! Wittering is the way forward.

unclefluffy · 23/10/2008 09:10

Read your post now, NMC - TOTALLY agree that having a 'home time' makes it easier. You know it's just a big adventure with a beginning, middle and end.

needmorecoffee · 23/10/2008 09:22

realised I sounded very negative. I did enjoy lots of it but the culture shock was huge. You think cos we sort of speak the same language they will be like us but not!
Didn't you get dog ticks? Little buggers were everywhere and always attatched to ds1.
Religion came up without me mentioning it - homeschoolers for you (I assumed they'd be leftie freethinkers like ours). First park day a woman sat next to me and introduced herself and asked if I'd met Jesus. 'Why, is he here?' I jested.
Stoney silence And I laughed when someone talked about the earth being 5000 years old cos I thought they were joking. Unfortunately not
I think unclefluufy is right. Live firther into DC. The twons are more like towns rather than the spawling suburbs of Reston and the commute would be easy as everyone else is going the other way.
Falls Church is ok (isn't that where that 7 road junctions meets?) although avoid the mega-church area with 40,000 members as the parking is a bugger ona sunday

unclefluffy · 23/10/2008 10:11

NMC - yep, it's different alright!

No dog ticks! Well, I lie. I found one on my hiking trousers in the laundry basket after we'd been to Shenandoah, but I don't think either DH or I had been bitten by it. And, although I played rugby (and therefore rolled on the ground all over the state!) I never picked one up on my skin. I did look very hard at it to make sure it wasn't the Lyme Disease type, but it was really big!

Lummy, I would have had serious trouble in your shoes! Have you met Jesus?! Scary! Only one or two people even asked me if I was a church-goer, and even then I think they were trying to be friendly rather than weeding me out as a heathen-who-should-not-be-talked-to. I would probably have got myself stoned out of town if I'd met the flat earth brigade! I worked (and played rugby) with some very religious folks, but they were of the liberal variety and were interested in my reasons for doing charitable etc. work if it wasn't a religious/cultural motive. I explained it was a political/cultural motive, which I think they understood. They were very tolerant of me and my atheistic idiosyncracies - and I cut out the blaspheming as a way of being respectful of their views.

Yeah - Falls Church is broadly from Seven Corners (where all those roads meet) north along route 7. Speaking of the mega-church... There's a fabby pancake place in Falls Church which has much, much shorter waits during services!