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teafortwo · 24/09/2008 15:23

Old thread...
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/2423/576865?ts=1222265998268&msgid=12499051

New thread...

to be created below!

Enjoy!

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lavenderbongo · 23/07/2009 02:53

I hope no one minds but I thought I would do a quick report from New Zealand as I have really enjoyed lurking on this thread for quite a few months.
I am writing this watching the wind and rain crash against the windows and desperatly trying to keep warm with the one gas fire in the entire house. Its mid winter over here and Kiwis dont seem to believe in central heating. We have had to invest in thermal underwear and slippers since moving here even though the winters are apparently milder than the UK (at least in Wellington they are meant to be).
My oldest daughter is getting ready to start school in September. You start school on the day of your fifth birthday so everyone is treated as an individual. I am not sure how the teachers cope with everyone starting at different times but its appears to be the norm. It also means that all the children tend to look forward to school as its a right of passage and they have a "celebration" at Kindergarton before they leave. DD1s excitment has already reached fever pitch and we still have over a month to go.
It looks like the NZ Government are going to finally bring in the ban on the use of your mobile whilst driving. I wish they would also bring in a law about not tail gateing and giving you more than 20 seconds to turn at a junction before beeping. Kiwi drivers can be a tad agressive.

teafortwo · 24/07/2009 23:28

Jessia - your comments on my last post made my day, thanks! I really enjoyed your report too although I now feel very guilty at mning when there are so many good people working so hard out there doing important wholesome things. [sips coca cola ]

lavenderbongo - I am interested to see how you find the NZ education system. I have read a few articles about general school ethos and curriculum focus which paint NZ education system and especially the early years as being quite frankly too good to be true... but maybe it really is?

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Sibble · 26/07/2009 20:37

Regular FOOC'ers will know that we have a kiwi bach (beach house) on a West Coast beach near Auckland, I've linked pictures of idyllic black sand surf beaches, told stories of the boys exploring rock pools, picking mussels to make fritters for lunch, beach walks through teh sand dunes, surfing, paddle boarding and lazing on our deck just breathing in the quiet and mesmerising view of sea and river. Well there is another side to 'The Port'. Until a few years ago it was a ghetto for people on the dole who had no intention of ever finding a job and wanted to spend days fishing, gangs with their associated gang wars (a few dead bodies, late night shootouts etc) and any number of other activities most people would cross the street or take intense interest in the pavement to avoid eye contact with. The government, having wised up to such activities in similar places around NZ changed the benefit rules so that you were only eligible if you lived within a given radius of areas where there was employment. Consequently the population slowly changed. Rentals changed hands and srufers with day jobs took over, people with the ability to work from home, artists, ex-rentals came up for sale and Aucklanders with spare cash bought up and moved in (I'll deliberately avoid the debate as to whether this is a good or bad thing!) but the locals whether they are over the moon or not about us 'weekender' as we are called are definitely happy the drive by shootings have stopped.........until last week that is.....
Sitting on the deck on Saturday afternoon I was overwhelmed with a charred, burnt smell. Brushed it off as somebody burning something somewhere. Until we went for a walk, the house at the end of our street was completely gutted. A quick chat with the locals revealed locals teenagers had in their wisdom bought a car from 'Black Power' members (gangs), the paperwork had exchanged and everybody was happy until a few weeks later Black Power turned up and demanded their car back. The teenagers again in their wisdom refused so Black Power did no more than drove by and torched the car. The following night, fortunately nobody was home, they threw a petrol bomb through the window and completely gutted the place.
Sitting on the deck later that evening enjoying a glass of wine with friends it was hard to piece the 2 different images together, our idyllic view, our peaceful day walking, collecting shells, the boys making rock pools in their buckets with drive by petrol bombings and the obvious gang presence that is obviously still lurking in the area.

Sibble · 26/07/2009 20:40

Oh Lavenderbongo I meant to say welcome. DS2 starts school in 3 weeks today, he has his first school visit tomorrow morning, while he is beside himself with excitement counting the sleeps on account of the frenzy he's been whipped into by everybody including kindy as you say.........I am rather my baby will be gone. I can't however bring myself to send him on his actual birthday, we'll spend the day with friends and start the following Monday.

teafortwo · 03/08/2009 17:44

sibble and lavender - in 'primary education' there is a 'hand holding' thread for people with children starting school - we all sob and get sentimental together - you should come and join us sometime!

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MmeLindt · 11/08/2009 18:20

Sibble
how frightening

t42
I too bought the book you recommended and once I had wrestled it from my dh's clutches, very much enjoyed it. Dh says thanks for the tip too, he insisted that I start reading as soon as he was finished.

I am sitting at the buvette oppsite the beach. Our village has a small stony beach next to a very basic campsite. The buvette is a small kiosk/bar/snack bar with a dozen tables. We often come down in the evenings to have a carafe glass of rose and a croc monsieur. The children play in the park and the adults relax for an hour before the stress of bedtime.

Looking around, I am struck by the very varied customers. There are people in bathing suits (the chic Swiss mums in their bikinis are envysome) and businessmen in pinstiped suits. Several divers in wetsuits have just gone past, struggling under the weight of the oxygen bottles.

Later the parents with children will wander home, leaving the genevans who come out for a glass of wine by the lake to chat.

Not a bad life.

teafortwo · 15/08/2009 20:48

PARIS FOOC

I am just back from a tiny costal village in Turkey - There were several FOOC worthy moments - I will post a report when I am feeling more awake and able to form proper sentences...

Sibble - [rolls eyes emotion] car burning and gangs, hey! The 'kids' (actually they are often men in their 20s) love a bit of car burning here too. Luckily where I live I don't see it first hand - just knowing it is happening in 'my ciy' is scary enough without smelling it - and you mentioned house burning as well - that is something I really can't get my head around... I mean how can anyone think such a thing was productive??? I really can't imagine the thought process behind it!

MmeLindt - I am glad your dh liked the book too - it is fairly short so it will be in your hands soon... I know it!!! And P.S at your cafe - sounds fab!!!!

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Sibble · 18/08/2009 19:50

ok my life here has taken on a bizarre twist. I recently posted about the school umu. Well it takes on a whole new meaning with the umu at the weekend of a pet dog by a Tongan family here. Not for the faint hearted........

www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10591164

CoteDAzur · 19/08/2009 13:08

FOOC Monaco

It's been a while since my last FOOC report, but now that little baby DS is 3 months old, I thought I would come back and tell a bit about his birth in the Princesse Grace Hospital in Monaco.

Monaco has a great social security service that takes charge of all antenatal tests (including several ultrasounds, nuchal test, triple test, and amnio if necessary) and the birth itself. After the fifth month of pregnancy, ALL medical expenses of the future mother are 100% taken care of, regardless of whether or not they can be directly linked to the pregnancy.

At 8 month ultrasound, it looked like baby would be 4.3 kgs at term. I know such tests aren't given much thought in the UK, but they are taken seriously. Then I got high uric acid in my blood, which kept increasing throughout 8th month. Hospital's reaction was very characteristic: take away all decision from the patient (me), look high and act like they know all, etc.

I was hospitalised at 37 weeks because uric acid was very high. A whole weekend, I was visited by various robots whose vocabulary had two phrases:
"I don't know"
and
"It's not my call"

Then I woke up at 6 AM to see a nurse with a huge needle in her hand, telling me to bear my bum

CDA: Excuse me???
Nurse: This is to mature baby's lungs
CDA: Huh?
Nurse: So we can induce
CDA: No you won't
Nurse: I've got lots to do, open your buttock
CDA: No. If my doctor says I have to be induced, we'll talk about it. I'm not having a cortisone injection at 6 AM because some nurse I've never seen before says I should.

Typical.

Long story short, I managed to hold them off until 39 weeks, when the elCS I so wanted looked a much better option than induction. Then the slight problem was that my 39 weeks fell smack in the middle of Formula 1 Grand Prix weekend in Monaco.

Those of you who follow Formula 1 might remember that the end of May was the time of Grand Prix of Monte-Carlo, which takes place in the streets of our little principality. 500,000 tourists invade this little country of 30,000 inhabitants. Cell phone networks are overloaded and stop working. Traffic grinds to a halt. And (believe it or not!) the hospital isn't allowed to plan operations on these days, because they have to leave operating rooms free, in case some drivers manage to wrap themselves around a tree and need operations .

Long story short, I finally got my elCS the day before F1 trials started

In the 4 years that passed since DD's birth, our little hospital has come a long way. For starters, they are no longer surprised that a new mum wants to breastfeed and they have stopped constantly offering top up formula feeds. They now have breastfeeding counsellors and a bi-weekly breastfeeding support group meeting at maternity ward. Still, less than half of the women I saw at maternity were breastfeeding. Very interesting phenomenon. I might write more about this in a separate post (now that I saw how long this one is!).

Sibble · 19/08/2009 20:15

congratulations to CoteDAzur

frakkinpannikinAGRIPPA · 20/08/2009 19:35

FOOC Paris, France

swine flu alert

On Sunday my DH2B and I went to hospital because he managed to have an allergic reaction to Ibuprofen (throat swollen, glottal oedema, slightly scary) and we both came out with swine flu. If you happen to be going to A&E in France any time soon I have one piece of advice: don't cough. It sends medical staff scurrying for masks, alcohol hand rub and coverall scrubs and you will be thrown into respiratory isolation even if you insist you feel absolutely fine. Then one finds oneself on a bed attached to an IV drip, with electrodes stuck to ones chest and a heart rate monitor which doesn't quite work (apparently we both stopped breathing several times and I was a very lively corpse for at least 10 minutes) followed by innumerable nose and throat swabs. We were seen, prodded and relieved of blood by a veritable parade of doctors, nurses and phlebotomists, but mostly a particularly sticky intern who alternated between being extremely panicked that we had swine flu and overjoyed at having her very own 'special' patients.

French hospital robes are 'one size fits all' so they quite predictably don't, although they come in a much classier dark blue than British ones, and you end up looking like you're wearing an oversized bib. Hospital staff also get rather confused when their two at-deaths-door-with-viral-plague patients bop around dancing to music on mobile phones.

This is French hypochondrism is taken to entirely new levels. Don't sniff, don't even appear slightly unwell, or you will never see the light of day again! So after nearly 30 hours incarcerated in a not-quite-square white tiled room with a serviceable grey lino floor, opaque windows and flickering fluorescent lights I have a new appreciation of why hospitals are such popular settings for horror films. A final parting gift from the staff? A bag of surgical masks to be worn on the way home and for when we go to the pharmacy to fill in our rather lengthy prescriptions. Now I'm under virtual house arrest (DH2B got declared fit for duty by a military doctor ) until Saturday....

All jokes aside if I hadn't actually been diagnosed with a swab I would have worked straight through it, with a child and his fragile grandfather, because I don't actually feel that bad (high temp, dreadful headache, achy joints and sore throat) and spread my lurgy further, so maybe this quaratine has something going for it.

Just over 2 weeks until I cease to be FOOC Paris and return to Buckinghamshire for 4 months, and then I shall rejoin you all as FOOC La Reunion!

MmeLindt · 20/08/2009 20:06

Congratulations Cote d'Azur, glad everythign went well.

gorionine · 24/08/2009 11:47

Congratulation CoteDAzur! I often wondered how things went for you and I am to read about your lovely DS!

We just spent a week in Switzerland (right across the lake from MmeLindt). We had the most gorgeous weather possible which is great when you are camping.

We went fishing with my parents at barrage d'Emosson". I feel the pictures on the link do not do justice to the actual place, 2000m altitude. It was totally breath taking. Even though I was born just a few miles away from it, it just takes a new dimension when you have spent several years in nearly flat England (I am fortunate enough to leave near the Peak District so I do get my fix of rocks every now and then!).From the barrage there is a 4 hour walk to dinausaur footprint fossils. It was a bit long with the DCs so we will probably do that in 2-3 years when they all can actually cope with the distance in steep mountains. there was also the Minifunic that I chickened out taking as I felt sick just looking at it go up and down almost vertically along the mountain!

Each time I go back to see my parents I am stunned at how different things are to the way I remember them. I even think that Swiss People are not as punctual anymore as they used to be! It was a very big to me that our local swimming pool , supposed to open at 10.30am was often closed until 10.45am .

I also wanted to tell you about our trip to Algeria but I really do not know where to start so I will try to gather my thought a bit longer until I can paint you the perfect picture of it!

kitbit · 24/08/2009 14:17

FOOC Spain to Manchester

Well we've finally managed to pack up, sell up (miracle!!) and land ourselves squarely back in our beloved Manchester once more! We said goodbye to Murcia two days after the mad summer temperatures really set in (38 degrees at night and mosquito parties floating about in the twilight) and travelled back by ferry with the dolphins.

Since we've been back it's been a mixture of reminiscence and rediscovery - I'd forgotten about smiley doctors and being able to buy grapes all year round, also about being able to go into the Town Hall and explain yourself without getting a gum chewing civil servant shrugging at you and telling you they can't help. On the opposite side of the coin we miss the positive side of the "laissez faire" attitude that makes daily life less stressful in many ways (as long as you don't need to achieve anything!).
Our dear friends over there are currently melting in 40 degree sunshine but are looking forward to when the temperatures finally start to dip in a couple of weeks' time. It's by no means chilly here, but I did get laughed at when I told them we have our winter duvet on, plus the thin spring one and an eiderdown! [jessie emoticon]

We do miss Spain, but are very glad to be here and on balance, I am thrilled to be wearing socks every day and I like living somewhere where you can always buy nice raspberries

teafortwo · 24/08/2009 23:54

Olympos beach mid August, Turkey and the tranquil sea seemed virtually silent under a sky blue and grey sky and orangey red sun. 6am.

A group of fifteen or so tourists lurked. Anticipating. Curious. Dark and slow compared to the sea and sky evolving too quickly from day to night to day. A week vacation is too short amongst these beautiful beaches, crumbling ruins and strong mountains.

A man in a black t-shirt carrying a bucket called in Turkish to a man in the same t-shirt. The second man was also modelling a matching baseball cap with the emblem of a panda on it and the letters WWF.

The tourists gained speed and soon resembled children following a pied piper. They flashed excited glances at one and other and those who spoke the same tongue whispered excitedly the majority did not.

After some confusion as a result of one of the WWF men opening his diary on the wrong page the group came to a cage marked with a panda, a sort of explanation in English and Turkish and a number. One man organised the tourists into a circle around the cage. The other took the cage away and carefully, like an archaeologist, removed layers of sand. Eyes shifted from his hands to equally interested eyes and back again.

Eventually the nest was uncovered. Along with a deeply rank scent that filled the warming morning air. Slowly he pulled out his prehistoric looking find: perhaps thirty maybe up to fifty un-hatched and half hatched turtle eggs. Little black grey bodies so close and so far from life.

An English teenage girl sniffed and then in her innocence began to quietly cry. Her blue and red eyes spilled in waves onto her pretty freckled face. She had expected to be charmed by babies. Not overwhelmed by death!

The man from the WWF continued to search for any signs of life digging through death until he reached only sand. He spoke in Turkish first and repeated in English ?No live babies?. He then buried the eggs and bodies in a mass grave.

The woman accompanying the teenage girl put a protective arm around her little hunched shoulders. An athletic teenage Turkish boy who I think was approximately the same age as the girl was standing opposite her in the circle. I watched him as he watched the girl watching the burial and I was touched by a single tear that he allowed to fall from the corner of his own deep brown eye, down his bronze cheek and he wiped it away with some part of his hand as it passed his nose.

The man from the WWF saw the pains of the tourist circle and pointed at the forgotten bucket his colleague had first arrived with. Somehow the red and white teacloth was removed from the top revealing a single live baby turtle found earlier that morning. The tourists giggled and cooed for a while and when they were eventually completely comforted the men in black led them to a new nesting site.

It is here that live babies were found and in a way saved. The first of the two emerged from the nest once the sand had been barely stroked twice. The creature was completely exhausted after a night of complicated hatching due to being so far down in the nest. After a dizzy trip around squealing children?s less than careful hands the turtle joined the previous find in the bucket to rest and be nourished then released that night.

The second was not in the nest but was curiously discovered by a dog whose presence had previously seemed odd to me. This turtle was stronger and determinedly began to move towards the sea.

Admittedly it was hardly a sprint and the plastic bag dripping water onto his or her small fragile body seemed to become a necessity for the turtle?s continuation but it began to dawn on the crowed that this little wriggling turtle might just make it to the sea.

When a wave caught the creature there was a moment of panic. The turtle seemed to have been pulled into the sea only to be immediately thrown out again by the force of the waves on its tiny form. However, it soon became obvious that each wave was pulling the turtle a little bit further into the sea than throwing it back so painfully slowly to begin with and then all of a sudden this being carrying each and everyone?s hopes, dreams and optimism was nothing but a dot in the distance.

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teafortwo · 25/08/2009 00:19

Cote d'Azur - MASSIVE congratulations!!!! xxx

Did you get a letter from a member of the Royal family offering congrats too? I hope so - it seems like such a nice tradition to me!

Frakkins - trust you to get swine flu!!! I hope you are feeling better now. Are you... going to be returning to sweet Paris after Reunion?

kitbit - Enjoy your new home and please continue to tell us all about being in Blighty again! It must feel terribly funny sometimes after Spain...

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gorionine · 25/08/2009 09:44

T42 Could you give me a crash course in "interesting posting"? I always await your posts and am never desapointed!

teafortwo · 26/08/2009 08:23

Gorionine - thanks, what a sweet thing to say...

I have been back in Paris for two days now. Paris in August is so so depressing. Your post has really cheered me up!

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BonsoirAnna · 26/08/2009 08:31

Hi teafortwo

If you are bored and want to see a really bad film to practise your French, go and see "Neuilly Sa Mère"! I was truly shocked that a film with such crude social and racial stereotypes could actually hit the screens.

You can take your DD, by the way. My DD sat through it with no problems (she even quite enjoyed it!).

teafortwo · 26/08/2009 08:50

BonsoirAnna - Ha ha ha - I saw the ads for the film on a fly through Paris beween Turkey and Brittany last week and thought of you (a conversation we once had on a 'stereotypical Neuilly Mummys' flew through my mind)!!!

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BonsoirAnna · 26/08/2009 08:56

"Neuilly Sa Mère" is more about stereotypical Neuilly teenagers - a subject quite close to our family

teafortwo · 26/08/2009 09:09

Eeeeeeeeekkk!!! -

www.dailymotion.com/video/x9tq2q_neuilly-sa-mere-bande-annonce-fr_shortfilms

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BriocheDoree · 26/08/2009 14:05

Hmmm, whenever I go to Neuilly (DD is "suivi" at the Institut Claparede there, amongst others) I am usually amazed at how many women there are, not that much older than me, wearing fur. Admittedly, not in August!
I agree with you about Ile de France in August. I am SO tired of having to get in the car just to get a baguette!
Must write soon about my holiday, too.

teafortwo · 11/09/2009 22:13

Paris FOOC

Today I walked through Parc Monceau.

I saw two beautiful babies. One was in light blue and one in pink clothes. The colours of the clothes were different but styles identical: lace edged bloomers, bonnets and little matching coloured boots. Behind them walked their Nanny dressed in brown with crinoline petticoats, a huge hat and perfect curls. To the left of her a gentleman with a thin cane, small glasses and waxed moustache stopped to talk with two equally smartly dressed men. And then a rich lady dressed like the other people so far described, in clothes from the turn of the century, drifted by wearing a white dress with layers of complicated lace and ribbons. Her skin was flawless and her blonde hair had been beautifully arranged under a huge white and glamourous hat.

The babies were handed to their modern dressed real life Mother's and quickly whizzed away out of the park. The film crew started to head towards a cheap camping table with three plastic flasks marked 'cafe'. At the same time a cool looking man in an orange t-shirt walked towards the man with a cane and I presume began to brief him on something or other for the next scene of the film being made.

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teafortwo · 13/09/2009 23:40

What on Earth made me type 'Mother's'

I am so

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