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Moving to Dublin?

57 replies

whattodo235 · 20/08/2023 17:33

hoping for some advice - my husband has just been offered a job in Dublin. It’s a good offer but we are looking at overall quality of life for us and our 3 young children - one in primary. Anyone done this? Thoughts on what it’s like/if you’d recommend/nice areas to live/good schools (state or private, preferably secular unless the religious ones are much better?)
(I’m hoping I’ll be able to transfer there with work too, or find similar there)
thanks all!

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Dancesaideveryone · 20/08/2023 17:34

Watching with interest as family member looking to move. It's the healthcare system I'm interested in. Is it free etc

MontyCCU · 20/08/2023 17:34

I'm from Dublin but left in 2007 so not up to speed. Try posting in Craicnet.

pico1 · 20/08/2023 17:40

I’m from and living in Dublin but lived in the UK for several years. Tbh it would depend very much on where you’re moving from! I think quality of life here is excellent if you can afford to live in the right place. The property market is batshit crazy atm with no sign of it improving. COL is high (but probably comparable with much of UK now). Schools are mainly free but state schools are largely Catholic (but not as faith-based as UK faith schools). Private schools are much cheaper than in the UK as they are subsidised by the state (approx 5-8K/year for secondary). GP care is not free for most people although the wait times to see a GP are not long. Most people who can afford it have health insurance which gives options when accessing hospital-based care. The main advantage of living in Ireland is that it is a relatively liberal society with huge social mobility and less emphasis on class systems than the UK.

Marblessolveeverything · 20/08/2023 17:52

Dub here. Property is probably on par with London prices. Few private schools, fees a fraction compared to UK. No secular schools, multi denominational is the closest.
Health, pro you generally will have quicker access to GP there is a few C. E60-80. Private insurance would be recommended.

Dublin is divided north v South if you give an idea of rough budget to buy/rent then can advise.

whattodo235 · 20/08/2023 18:21

Thanks all for help so far! To answer qs: moving from London, so already in property price hell. We’d look to rent initially. Would need to be 4 bed with a garden ideally - i mean we’d love to pay €2-3k a month but I suspect we need to go higher. Not sure what max would be - €4k? Husband’s job would be in north Dublin out towards airport - but he could travel a bit further if the area was better for schools kids etc

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Moredarkchocolateplease · 20/08/2023 18:34

We lived in south dub as ex. Pats renting about 12 yrs ago.

We paid 4k a month for a 5 bed house with a garden and driveway. The reason we rented it is that there was barely any other choice!

From what friends have said rents are even higher now. DHs company subsidised our rent but it was still v steep.

Cost of living is V high.

BUT it's one of the most brilliant places to live. Our quality of life was the best it's ever been. Socialising, sea, mountains, local school, just loads of fun all the time.

LookItsMeAgain · 20/08/2023 18:46

Here's another one:

www.daft.ie/for-rent/house-drumcondra-dublin-9/5380414

A tip - if you're looking online for rental properties Dublin is split by the river Liffey with even number postcodes Dublin 2, 4 etc. being on the south side of the river and Dublin 1, 3, 5 etc. being on the Northside. If you're looking for a place near to Dublin Airport, check out Swords, Oldtown, The Naul, and Dublin 9 and 11. Malahide is lovely but quite expensive as is Clontarf.

LookItsMeAgain · 20/08/2023 18:47

I'm living in Dublin so if you want any help, ask away.

CliffsofMohair · 20/08/2023 23:01

Eyesopenwideawake · 20/08/2023 18:25

That house deserves its own thread

whattodo235 · 21/08/2023 10:15

This is really helpful thank you! Is north or south Dublin considered nicer? Malahide looks like a good option too - is it a suburb of Dublin or its own place? Are there expat areas or not really as there’s no language barrier? I’ll need to make new friends as know no one there (argh). Any school recommendations? We could pay for private if better as it’s so subsided (no hope in London!)

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whattodo235 · 21/08/2023 10:16

We don’t have to be expat-y unless it’ll help with integration…

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Wildehorses · 21/08/2023 10:21

There are virtually no private schools in north Dublin, you are better off sending them to a good local school where they can make friends easily, rent for what you are looking for would be around 4k a month, Malahide and Portmarnock are both lovely areas, expensive but well located for airport as is Skerries, avoid Balbriggan

whattodo235 · 21/08/2023 10:29

Is the commute from south Dublin to airport a bad idea?!

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whattodo235 · 21/08/2023 10:29

Wildehorses · 21/08/2023 10:21

There are virtually no private schools in north Dublin, you are better off sending them to a good local school where they can make friends easily, rent for what you are looking for would be around 4k a month, Malahide and Portmarnock are both lovely areas, expensive but well located for airport as is Skerries, avoid Balbriggan

This is really helpful - any you’d recommend?

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Eyesopenwideawake · 21/08/2023 10:33

whattodo235 · 21/08/2023 10:29

Is the commute from south Dublin to airport a bad idea?!

Very, very, very bad idea!

ToEllewithIt · 21/08/2023 10:36

Ballsbridge has an ex-pat feel, but I wouldn't rush to live there.

You'll hear people say that the southside is nice, but that's a generalisation that isn't always true. If you want a better generalisation I'd say that anywhere on the bay is nice.

You'd want to budget around 4k for rent. In terms of areas reasonably close to the airport try Portmarnock, Malahide, Howth, Sutton, Bayside, Raheny, Clontarf, Drumcondra.

It's rare for people to choose private primary here even if they could afford it. Most people pick a desirable area with a good state school. For the most sought after areas the schools may be at capacity so you would have to wait for a vacancy to open up. For that reason some ex-pats who move mid school year end up using private schools.

The HSE is a bit of a hybrid system. Children up to 8 have free care. Presuming you are above the income threshold you would have to pay approx 50 euro to see a GP, which can be reclaimed from insurance if you have it. Maternity care, critical care etc are all free. You might want to insurance so that you get more prompt treatment for non-critical treatment or a private room etc, but it's not like the US where you would ever get a bill for tens of thousands.

Skyvemind · 21/08/2023 10:54

I’m Irish and went to Uni in Dublin and it’s a great city. Ireland in general is friendly and sociable and you will make friends quickly if you’re open to it, there isn’t an ex pat culture for English speakers although there is probably an Americans in Ireland group of some sort and obviously Spanish/German/insert any other language speakers probably have their own networks etc but it’s so multicultural (perhaps not quite as much as London) with tons of English/Scots/NI people living, studying, sabbaticaling there that seeking out other English families would probably be considered a bit unusual!
Northside v Southside - well when I lived there it was a ‘thing’ a horrible, snobbish thing actually that was particularly perpetuated by Dublin families (particularly southsiders who wouldn’t dream of crossing the R. Liffey for anything because everything of any value was already on the southside and northsiders were absolute heathens) but it wasn’t something I was aware of for a while as I was in a melting pot of students from all over Ireland and the rest of the world and it was only when I had 2 Dublin friends, one northside and one southside get together that they were telling me how concerned the family of the southsider was 😂.

Traditionally, the ‘nicer’ leafier, wealthier (but often much more soulless) residential suburbs have been on the southside, with the more working class, less gentrified areas being on the northside. But these generalisations are out of date now, as ALL property in Dublin is at a premium and most of the really affordable inner city areas on the northside in Dublin where I mostly lived, are just as over priced as anywhere else.

Husband’s work being near airport means it’s sensible to focus on Northside for housing and the city being on the coast with beautiful coastline and seafronts/walks/beaches north and south means you will love it. Lots of great, more well adjusted areas to live on the southside but the posh areas are so ridiculously expensive that they are often quiet and depopulated as the homes are only temporarily occupied (richies having homes elsewhere). The Northside is typically more mixed and for my money, a bit more down to earth.

Schools - private is not necessarily better. At all. You would be best posting on Craicnet for better on the ground input on schools in the areas you are considering. But the Irish education system while not perfect, is of quite a high standard as teaching has always been a valued and respected profession and a traditionally safe employment destination offering family friendly hours etc so the cycle of highly educated graduates becoming teachers, generates well-educated school leavers, who are then attracted back into teaching etc etc. As someone else said above, the state schools are catholic faith based but it’s so diverse now, and Ireland having been monotheistic for so long, that Catholicism is not really very overt, it’s Christian ethos based in general rather than heavy heavy Church of Rome. There are lots of opportunities to get involved in school life, sports etc and your kids would be welcomed as much as any other child. Most Irish families aren’t particularly religious at all but just send their kids to the local schools and sports clubs because they are all usually pretty good and it’s where their friends are going.
There is definitely a snobbery between private schools in Dublin and from private towards state schools, but not so much between state schools and you’ll find the state schools bring parents “in” more which gives you an opportunity for getting involved and building connections whereas private will offer fewer opportunities to meet other parents/families.

Overall you’ll find the cost of living high and food prices high, but if coming from London you might find it’s a bit cheaper 😉

For accommodation, I recommend you try to find a house in an existing community/estate/development or within a good cluster of houses off a main road so that you and the kids can meet other neighbours and the kids can play safely outside etc. That’s the fastest way to integrate.

PatMu · 21/08/2023 11:22

Good post from @Skyvemind

You would probably need to spend 3.5-4 k on rent to get a 4 bed house with garden in a nice area in North Dublin.

Like this example - put north Dublin into Daft with your max budget and a few options come out - www.daft.ie/for-rent/house-drumnigh-manor-portmarnock-co-dublin/5383548

State Primary schools are usually not a major issue and most kids thrive in them. Funding for books came in this year so shouldn't cost much beyond buying a bag and stationery. Secondary schools are more of a mix and Dublin can have quite an oversubscription for the better state schools. Books need to be purchased, must schools have a uniform - it's expensively 'free'!

Not many fee paying schools on north side but could take public transport into city where there might be a few more fee paying options.

Health service is not free as others have said (unless v low income) and I would consider insurance a necessity these days so budget for that.

What kind of industry area would you be looking for work in as that might further determine where best to live ?

Eyesopenwideawake · 21/08/2023 11:38

I lived in Dublin from 1995-2007; rented in Rathgar to start with then bought in Cabra, moved to Finglas (West - v. important to mention that!) and ended up in Swords. Probably got it arse about face but I much preferred the Northside 😀

LookItsMeAgain · 21/08/2023 16:04

whattodo235 · 21/08/2023 10:15

This is really helpful thank you! Is north or south Dublin considered nicer? Malahide looks like a good option too - is it a suburb of Dublin or its own place? Are there expat areas or not really as there’s no language barrier? I’ll need to make new friends as know no one there (argh). Any school recommendations? We could pay for private if better as it’s so subsided (no hope in London!)

There are nice areas on both sides of the city.

Based on your information about where your DH has his new job, I was suggesting places on the north side of the city for commuting purposes. It's crazy commuting across the city when the schools go back (September). You can really see a drop off in the traffic when they are on their holidays.
Malahide is a suburb of Dublin, as is Swords and many other areas like Drumcondra and Clontarf and Fairview.

School recommendations - I'm not sure if you're thinking of primary or secondary school. Irish primary schools work off a September to December then January to Easter and then after Easter to the end of June timetable. Secondary schools finish at the end of May/very early June to allow for the state exams for Junior Certificate and Leaving Certificate students. There are private schools on the northside but as I'm not sure which age you're considering, I can't suggest one.

LookItsMeAgain · 21/08/2023 16:05

whattodo235 · 21/08/2023 10:29

Is the commute from south Dublin to airport a bad idea?!

Yes. It would be crazy. Really really busy and that was why I was suggesting neighbourhoods on the north side to be able to travel to Dublin Airport. Swords is really nearby.

LookItsMeAgain · 21/08/2023 16:09

Here is some information for UK citizens planning on moving to Dublin/Ireland from the UK government:
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/living-in-ireland

Here is the information from the Irish Government about the same situation:

Living in Ireland

Information for UK nationals moving to or living in Ireland, including guidance on residency, healthcare and driving.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/living-in-ireland

Passerillage · 21/08/2023 16:26

If you don't want to be in the suburbs, Drumcondra is much nicer than it used to be, and handy for getting out to the airport. You're also within easy reach of town.

https://www.daft.ie/for-rent/house-waverley-avenue-fairview/5384874

I know Fairview isn't Drumcondra, but it's the same general idea and should give you an idea.

If your children were to go private (for secondary) you have choices too, because it wouldn't be too bad for girls to go to across to Stephen's Green for Loreto, or boys to Belvedere (closer still). Very few go private for primary.

Although schools are nominally Catholic, I found Catholic schools in England much more heavy-handed about religion than schools in Ireland, so don't worry about that. You're going to limit your options severely if you seek out non-Catholic. Although Alexandra College is Quaker-leaning Church of Ireland, but it's in Rathmines.

It would be utterly impossible to commute from the south side to the airport. Don't even entertain such misery for your husband. But on the bright side, the north side is cheaper!

Think about the bus routes that go to the airport too, if your husband will be using public transport. It's bizarre that there's no tram/train to the airport yet - they're still wringing their hands about it.

Bear in mind that Dublin is not very cycling friendly, at least not the city centre.

Waverley Avenue, Fairview is for rent on Daft.ie

Waverley Avenue, Fairview is for rent on Daft.ie

Waverley Avenue, Fairview a 4 Bed House is now for rent by Sherry FitzGerald Lettings IFSC on Daft.ie with an asking price of €4,000 per month

https://www.daft.ie/for-rent/house-waverley-avenue-fairview/5384874