DS wants to work in Germany or Austria

[Tulipomania]

He's just graduated with an excellent degree & wants to improve his German skills, doing a casual job for a few months before he starts on the career ladder.

It seems to be all but impossible post-Brexit, you can't get a work permit without a job offer, and vice versa.

Anyone got any useful advice to offer?

If he changes his mind about study, look on the Daad website. Lots of prep and short courses plus everything Bachelor's through to PhD.

www.daad.de/en/

If he goes for something longer, I'd be looking for a course with a praktikum (industry work experience).

...it only changes for the children of people born after the new millennium

• none of whom had a vote in the Brexit referendum because they were all 16 or under at the time.

What have to done to our kids? I am more sad and more angry about it the older mine get and I see just how much we threw away for them.

Any chance of going to German speaking part of Switzerland instead? Just a thought

Thanks @Hoppinggreen. I am in the same situation, hoping to use the EU queue (if it's shorter) as a UK passport holder with dual nationals DH and DD. We're all going to be on the same passenger locator form so we would need to clear immigration together (although they may of course make us all use the non-EU queue).

Sorry for the off-topic diversion OP. The reason I mentioned Language schools was that I knew a US citizen who worked for Berlitz (and was sponsored by them) in Germany. But yes of course now UK citizens are competing with people from the US and Canada as well as easier to employ Irish people.

I hope your son sorts something out. I met my DH in the Netherlands and living abroad was such a brilliant thing to be able to do. It's so sad it's been taken away from so many people.

It might be easier if your DH mentions it next time he e-mails the embassy. They can be really helpful (although it does seem to depend on who you get). I hope his application goes through soon.

My advice for your son would be to make a bit political stink about this. Write to your MP, join or set up a 'Young and Shafted by Brexit' group, join a political party. In short, get angry.

I'm not naive enough to think it will make any difference to your son but we shouldn't just shrug our shoulders and continue voting for the people and parties who stripped our children of their rights.
Oh, and fully expect to have idiot Leave voters to be celebrating the fact your sons future has been damaged.

This thread makes me so sad. No doubt leave voters will twist it to show that it's just the young and privileged that would be able to do this before. Never mind the fact that it would have just been the cost of a Ryanair flight to get there 
My DH is Irish, so I am eternally grateful that our DD's have retained their EU citizenship and all the rights and opportunities that go with it.
The UK should be bloody ashamed of itself. @Tulipomania I wish your son luck.

@RainingZen

Any chance of going to German speaking part of Switzerland instead? Just a thought

Switzerland is even more of a bureaucratic nightmare, I don’t know why you would think otherwise? My DSS is currently working in Switzerland with a EU passport and there were several hoops to jump through as a EU citizen, there’s no way it will be less complex as a third country citizen.

Also, the German spoken in Switzerland is Swiss German, which is essentially a dialect and not quite proper German as my DSS found out!

OP I feel for your DS, my DN wanted to do the same for a year before university, but all the unskilled jobs for teens are now closed off to British youth. Such a waste! Fewer opportunities for young people to work outside their culture and learn a new language, I fear increasing cultural isolation for the British.

One of my DC moved not to Germany but another EU country just before December last year, and it is still difficult. All resident’s cards and permits need to be changed etc. It’s still a bit dicey-looking.

Don’t forget, Covid restrictions have also made things difficult to even enter some counties. U.K passport holders are blocked from entering Austria, for example.

@childcarevouchersargh

This thread makes me so sad. No doubt leave voters will twist it to show that it's just the young and privileged that would be able to do this before. Never mind the fact that it would have just been the cost of a Ryanair flight to get there  My DH is Irish, so I am eternally grateful that our DD's have retained their EU citizenship and all the rights and opportunities that go with it. The UK should be bloody ashamed of itself. *@Tulipomania* I wish your son luck.

Agree with you entirely. It's just such a shame for the youngsters, most of whom would never have voted leave.

DS luckily has dual nationality and is spending a year out in Italy and Germany on a number of EU schemes and some work in youth hostels and all the roles he has applied for explicitly state not open to UK citizens.

He has a post grad job lined up in UK for Sept 2022, but wants to come back with decent Italian and German. ( I will be surprised if he comes back.. his degree is pretty employable! )

A friend of mine mum voted Leave because of 'too many immigrants' then promptly got herself an Irish passport (my friend was one generation to far to get one) . My friends children now want to do a ski season in Europe and find they can't because they need an EU passport.

My friends mum has absolutely no regrets over her vote.

It not just traveling/working in the EU, not having an EU passport is already limiting job opportunities here in the UK. My friend owns a set building company and now only hires EU passport holders because they routinely work in the EU (pre covid) and needs staff to have easy travel. Likewise I've heard it's now an advantage in City jobs.

all the roles he has applied for explicitly state not open to UK citizens.

Yes, my DC is qualified in a highly specialist field but still many job ads specifically say they will only consider those with the right to work in the EU.

No doubt leave voters will twist it to show that it's just the young and privileged that would be able to do this before.
I know some who say exactly that - they also paid for their kids to do expensive gap year travel! I, like many friends, couldn't afford not to work on a gap year and got a coach ticket to Paris where I worked for 6 months. So privileged. And yes, I know there are some people who can't afford the coach ticket to Paris but there are also thousands who now can't afford to travel because they can't work.

Tbh even if you are highly specialized sometimes the paperwork doesn’t work out. My employer has been jumping through hoops trying to get a visa for a specialist scientist from England and in the end the delays in bureaucracy caused by Brexit and a bit COVID meant we had to withdraw it and readvertise. It’s absolutely shit.

This should be moved to the brexit board, I'm sure some people there will be able to explain why picking fruit in Essex for a pittance is preferable instead.

BlackLambAndGreyFalcon sorry please ignore me, I've replied to your post twice!

@Hoppinggreen From what I understand, if you are the spouse of an EU citizen, or parent of an EU child, you can already get residency in Spain. You don't need to live in Germany first.

[quote LaMagdalena]@Hoppinggreen From what I understand, if you are the spouse of an EU citizen, or parent of an EU child, you can already get residency in Spain. You don't need to live in Germany first.[/quote]
Maybe DH is telling me porkies to get me to The Fatherland for a bit!
I will check, thank you

You can easily get residency in the EU as a spouse of an EU citizen, but not citizenship. That depends on the rules of the particular country.

Makes me so sad too.