To those of you living in 3rd world countries who really see how things are.

[carmenm]

Could you please do something on the chat thread to tell people what its like to live ina 3rd world country and not have hot water, or a washing machine, etc. Could you please help me to explain to people that its very difficult for the people living in these countries. Some people don't make more than 30 dollars a month, or they have nothing to eat but rice, or have sick children and can't pay for a doctor, etc.

My "daughter" (her parents didn't care about her and are now out of her life) has congenital rubella syndrome and started a charity in vietnam. We lived in South America for a long time too.

Soem people just have no idea. They seem to think everywhere is like England or Europe.......

Any specific thread you're referring to?

I am in China and anyone who thought it was like Europe would be in for a VERY nasty shock.

I have to admit, I'm a bit off Chat at the moment. A few Queen Bee wannabees shouting everyone else down....

Never go on chat.
Had a quick scan but could not find the thread you are referring to.
Born and partly raised in North & sub saharan africa.
After half my life in Europe, now in S-E Asia.
People just have no clue.
A LOT of people don't have immediate access to clean drinking running water let alone hot or to be wasted on a washing machine!

It was in another section, but if we put something on chat everyone would see it. She posted a thread on chat a few day ago about what would you ask a blind person. There is a blind poster who makes it look very rosy, and in england it is. My "dd" is blind and multiply disabled and when she tried to explain what life is like in Asia, got a very rude answer. she was trying to point out that the situation in Asia is very bad, and how hard she works and what she has to go through. She is only 24 years old as well.

I was so pissed off I wrote something to defend her. She mentioned that she couldn't shave yet and this peerson told her to go and buy and electric raor...... My daughter doesn't even a matress on her bed..... It but I'm fuming. The posterimpied that my child doesn't have confidence or that she's lying. No one seems to think that outside of England, things are very different. .... I don't see the poster, nor the other mothers, going to live in these countries. My child cries every night becasue she gets treated like an outcast and she does so much to help the people who need it.

She was also told that in England they have disability laws and equipment is supplied, etc. I'm just so appalled. The woman who answered like this has not left England and she is much older than my daughter. How can anyone be so narrow minded?

I explained about how things are for the children, like the kids with cp have no nappies and are left on the floor all day. They lay in their wee sometimes They don't have braillers for the blind children, or wheelchairs, or hot water or lots of other things. People in developed countries don't know what they have. btw, I have not seen a response to this info yet as I wrote it during the night. god knows what people willl say.

I'm sorry for the typing errors, I haven't lept and I m very upset.

was in process of responding to said thread but I'll post a short response here first - considering as this one is currently in active convo's.

Firstly, at no point did I say that the third world was anything like Britain. I responded to the op's claims that she had been treated apawlingly as a disabled person (she did not say that this had happened in the third world - she said she had done a course and been told to ask for a refund) - and she also tried to compare her life as a visually impaired person to that of someone whose children have severe sn and require 24 hour care. I said that I was that someone in Britain could be treated like this as I have never found this to be the case. I also said that I couldn't comment on how people were treated abroad.

Actually I did grow up in Africa so am well aware of how the third world is and would not begin to compare the two.

the offending thread is here

If name-calling makes you feel better then go right ahead.

wrt the comment re shaving, the op on the other thread had asked the parent of of a child with severe sn how she managed to shave her daughter's under arms, because she had as yet been unable to shave. again, no reference was made to the fact that she had been unable to shave due to not being able to buy a razer etc, the question had been asked in the context of how it could be done, and in response to that I said that normal razers should be ok, but if op hadn't felt confident using a wet razer then there are electric shavers on the market that can be used with confidence.

I will not apologise for the fact that there are disability laws in this country just because those laws do not apply in other countries.

Wanting to make a difference abroad is admirable, but you cannot expect other people to justify how they live just because others don't have those opportunities. It would be a bit like saying to a black person here "how dare you say you've been racially abused when people in south africa had to live under apartheid for years", you just wouldn't, because every situation is different.

I agree with carmenm. You also said, WannaBe, a lot of other things that I could identify as hurtful. From your post on Globe's other thread, you mentioned taking a bus by yourself at 16. were you in England or in Africa? It sounded like England to me.

ey? haven't said anything about taking a buss at 16 - point me to that will you?

ah you mean the blind/VI question thread.

It was in Africa.

You were refering to the incident in which some girls said you weren't very pretty.... It has been on here twice.

It doesn't matter though, because what Carmen said is correct.

which country did you live in, just out of curiousity? Where were you educated? It sounds like you were in the better parts of Africa.

Even if you were in the worst parts, why didn't you say anything to defend her? No one in England has any idea what it's like to live in a place like that. You could have said, I agree, living in a 3rd world country is difficult. You sounded really patronising. I think you know that, but are ignoring it.

I asked wannabe to check out the thread because I had concerns about some of the comments. The dirty bra comment made me uncomfortable. The question about how a disabled child was shaved made me even more uncomfortable. I am not accusing anyone of anything, because I'm aware I'm getting a snapshot in here but I remain uncomfortable about the those posts. I am also a little bemused by various preciously unseen posters knowledge of ancient threads. When personal details are asked about vulnerable children by unseen people I think it is sensible to be cautious.

I did not feel that wannabes post was at all patronising, and although she doesn't seek it I think she should be proud of the life she leads and has achieved.

I can't believe some people are so thick. go on the internet and look at Eye Will's website. It's under construction, but if that will settleyou lot down so be it. This little girl does exist. she was telling the truth about shaving, she has problems with her hands and can't yet. she can't wash her things either, or cut meat. How dare you imply anything nasty. What she's doing is a great thing and you have no right to say any of these things about her, or us. I don't post because you lot are so rude. Gabby wanted to tell all of you about what she was doing, and she wrote in her first post that she was afraid to write anything. Why are all of you so cruel. She's done something heroic and you call her a pedophile!!!!!!!!1

erm who called her a paedophile?

she wouldn't be rosemary what's her name by any chance would she .

wtf is this about?

leave wannabe alone!

because I bought her a computer, thats why she has one. She hasa to teach stupid people what life is like there, find teachers to come and help her train the children, find people to do the website. In houses in Vietnam, you sleep on wooden beds. In the orphanages and schools, you don'lt haave a matrasss either.

Ask anyone who lives in a rural partof China, Laos, Cambodia, etc what life is like.

its eye-will.org

oliveoil, my daughter is disabled and starteed a charity in vietnam. She's 24 years old. No one believes her.

Other parents who live in 3rd world countries, please back me up.

I know she doesn't need it, but have just read the thread and wannabe's interesting and informative (imo) post. I think she gives a really enlightening post about what life can be like in the UK for her. She does not say this is what it is like abroad - infact the first statement actually says that quite clearly. I cannot see anywhere where she has been unpleasant and said anything uncalled for at all. Or am I missing something somehwere

exactly

think this thread is out of order and quite bizarre

eyewill.org is the website for an opthalmological clinic in japan.

Is this the website? At present it appears to have only a home page with no information as yet, so I can't comment on it at all, as nothing to comment on.

Who has said they don't believe her?

Agree Olive. It is bizarre.