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DH fired abroad - WWYD?

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decisionsdecisionsagain · 03/12/2018 09:01

Hello wise people. I've NCed for this, as the details are very outing to anyone who knows me.

Earlier this year, we (me, DH and two small, barely school-aged children) moved to a European country for a great job opportunity for him. He speaks the language, I don't, and I gave up my job to come. (It's relevant that wild horses couldn't force me back into that job. I'm in the process of retraining, but my current earning potential is pretty much zero, regardless of which country we're in.)

8 months in, he was fired (a whole other thread in itself! He isn't totally blameless, but certainly no gross misconduct or anything like that - a combination of naivete on his part, toxic corporate politics, and an utter disregard for the disruption caused to us.) Financially, we are ok (no thanks to them!) but professionally and geographically, we are up shit creek.

Initially, we made the decision that he would search for another job here. The reasons for this are many, but here are some:

  • our home is London, and Brexit is looming. It seems to me that the worst case scenario is that he is unemployed in London at Brexit. Theoretically, there are more opportunities here, although it's obviously a terrible time of year for job seeking.
  • I actually quite like it here, although I didn't want to come, and so does DH.
  • The children are at local schools, and picking up another language. This would disappear pretty much the moment we went home.
  • We could get our house in London back from our tenants, but getting the children back into their old school would probably be difficult. This would be very disruptive for them, just 8 months after we made the first disruptive move.
  • The children have found settling in quite hard, but they are just starting to make friends and feel more at home.

The thing is, we had always planned to go home eventually, and in 18 months or so, I will need to continue my retraining with hands-on experience, which would probably need to be in the UK. So now I am questioning our decision to stay - part of me thinks, why compound our error by staying here, when the original reason for coming (the job) has now disappeared? But the other part of me thinks, if we hold our nerve, this is a way better place to be than London at the moment.

I know you are not me, and I think I feel very differently in this situation to how many would feel, but I want to canvass some opinions. What do you think you'd do? We certainly did not think this move would be a mistake, but it has turned out to be, and my main fear is making another one. So I want to make sure I've considered all the angles and thought properly about what the best thing for everyone would be.

Thank you for reading, and sorry it's so long! I could talk about this shitty situation all day, as my poor friends know only too well!

OP posts:
decisionsdecisionsagain · 03/12/2018 17:56

RCohle feeling "trapped" is a very valid concern. I've been in that situation abroad before when I was young and free, and I can't imagine how much more stressful it would be with children to think about. You also make a good point about potential vulnerability here vs the UK post-Brexit. I love the optimism of some posters, but I'm afraid, along with Klobuchar, I just don't feel it. It's silly, but I almost feel if we COULDN'T stay, it would be an easier decision, but I know I wouldn't feel like that if it happened.

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Loopytiles · 03/12/2018 17:59

I would return to the UK, because both of you having employment / prospects reduces financial risk for the family, and younger DC are likely to adapt.

MattFreisCheekyDimples · 03/12/2018 18:26

I read your thread this morning, OP, and have been thinking about you during the day. I don't think you said, but I'm guessing if you're in FFM and concerned about the effect of Brexit on jobs in London that your DH is in the financial sector. I think concern is certainly justified, both about jobs, and also, assuming that you're outward-looking Europhiles based on the fact that you're there and enjoying yourself, about the Britain you'd be bringing your DCs back to. Mine are the wrong sort of age, in terms of school, etc, but if I had had the option to move us all to another European country and get settled before Brexit is completed, I would have done it. So I get the dilemma, even though on the face of it losing his job 'ought' to mean you just come home again.

What rings out loud and clear from your posts is that you don't want to, though. If you did want to, it would be an easy decision - no job in Germany, London house is available to you, school a bit of a problem but churn likely to result in getting old places back before next school year, your career change to think of, etc. So my advice is to follow your heart, which honestly sounds like it's there. If you were German, or your kids were older and more entrenched in the German education system, your DH would just get jobhunting. As long as this isn't wildly unrealistic, I think you should crack on with your new life, which is clearly making you happy.

Welshcake77 · 03/12/2018 20:31

My daughter is in the same kind of school OP, we could possibly be in the same town! I would also assume your DH is in the financial sector, in which case I would be very tempted to stay as there are loads of jobs coming up with Brexit and so many companies relocating. There is so much movement in the job market right now, I’ve been here for twenty years and not experienced anything like it.
Re the reference, I’d just reiterate what others have said. It’s standard practice to agree a very favourable German reference in such cases so please make sure you get that checked by an employment lawyer (if you need any recommendations please PM me).
I can imagine this must be a really hard situation to be in after making such a huge decision in the first place. Hope it helps having a sounding board here.

escapehatchneeded · 16/12/2018 19:48

In your situation I would look for some new work and see it as an extended 18 month sabbatical from London life. Your house in the UK is tenanted, you are retraining, the kids are settling and learning another language and you are enjoying it. From where you are now, all you need to do is find some new work. As opposed to going through the whole upheaval of moving again. Plus don't you want a couple of summers here!?

FinallyHere · 18/12/2018 21:14

stets zu unserer vollsten Zufriedenheit

oh yes, it's got all that and more - 4 paragraphs about how fabulous he is. He's taken it all out and sent it back to the company for them to sign, with only a confirmation of his dates of employment. It was weird, and he felt uneasy about it.

This rang a bell for me, a quick google suggests that he might be best served by keeping the effusive version, if it is absolutely correct in the details of employment

A quick google of that phrase turned up lots of https://www.jobware.de/Ratgeber/Der-Geheimcode-im-Arbeitszeugnis.htmll* references

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