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Going to check out New Zealand in April re moving there - can anyone help with Auckland & Tauranga queries et

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farawaytree · 22/11/2006 14:54

Hi
We are going to visit Auckland in April with a view to applying for residency. I have booked the flights but now just need to find some accomodation in Auckland and wonder if anyone can suggest somewhere that would be close to centre so we can get the 'feel' of it. We are also curious about Tauranga (big scuba divers pre-kids) although the jobs will be more limited. Has anyone visited or lived there?
Any info would be gladly received

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emmatom · 22/11/2006 15:01

Cant give you a direct answer I'm afraid, but just to tell you my bestest mate ever emigrated there this September (I'm still grieving, but that's another story!!).

Anyway, I know that she just went on the net and googled rented holiday accomodation for the very same reason you are doing and then just e-mailed the 'landlord' directly after that and it all worked out brilliantly. Is that any help?!?!

farawaytree · 22/11/2006 15:10

Thanks emmatom I hope you are getting over her going - has she settled in yet? I really just want to find a hotel or accomodation in a good location that is suitable for kids, so we can wizz around at ease once we are there.

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farawaytree · 22/11/2006 21:06

Anyone up in New Zealand?

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sibble · 23/11/2006 01:23

hi, we are in Whitford, about 20-30 mins south of Auckland. Will you be hiring a car or do you want to be very central, bearing in mind that Auckland has no public transport (c0mpared to UK cities anyway). The Mount near Tauranga is great, wouldn't choose to live in Tauranga myself but definately worth checking out. How long will you be staying for?

tangox3 · 23/11/2006 09:28

Lived in Auckland for years and my in laws live in Papamoa, near Tauranga. We'll be moving there when we return to NZ to live.

I'd recommend living in Mount Maunganui or Papamoa rather than tauranga as you'll be near the beach and you can easily commute to work in Tauranga from there. I love it. Great weather! (highest average sunshine of NZ apparently) You're right about the job limitations though, but it depends on what you do.

Auckland central has loads of apartments for short term rent but living in the middle of the city won't really give you a feel for living in Auckland. Try searching for places in Ponsonby, Grey Lynn, Herne Bay, Parnell or Mission Bay which are inner city suburbs and quite trendy, but you'll have more to do than if you stayed in the outskirts. Loads of cafes, bars, cool little shops etc.

Weather may not be brilliant in April but should be OK.

Good luck. CAT me if you need any more advice!

themaskedposter · 23/11/2006 09:51

Hey farawaytree - good for you I say!!

I am a Kiwi currently living in England - but fully intend going back to live in NZ in about 4 years or so!

I am from Tauranga and think it is a wonderful place (biased - yes!). My mum and dad still live there as do my grandmothers. It is often perceived as a place for 'Old people' as is has been in the past. However it is very much an 'up and coming' place from what I have been hearing. It is in a superb location with water all around you, and as others have said - Mount Maunganui and Papamoa are FABULOUS places as the beaches are unbelievable.

I would ideally like to move to Tauranga when we head back over as to me it is paradise. Saying this - Auckland is a more popular choice due to employement etc - so depending on what you do for professions (or willing to do!)will probably be the major factor.

Scuba diving is pretty good in LOADS of places around the Bay of Plenty and Auckland (and north) infact most places!! so you should be happy where ever you end up!!!

Most of my friends who I grew up with have re-located to Auckland due to job opportunities - but I seem to be still drawn to Tauranga! All I will say is that be prepared for a huge 'slow-down' in the pace of life ... it always takes me about a week or so to re-adjust to the more laid back culture ... Oh and if you love yummy food, NZ cafes rule in this area!!!

Am so happy that you are thinking of moving to NZ as it is such a fantastic place!! Good luck and let us know how you get on!!

If you want you can CAT me and we can talk more ... otherwise all the best x

(I'm going back to Tauranga for a month in Jan/Feb!! can't WAIT!!)

Papillon · 23/11/2006 17:43

hey maskedposter! I will be in Tauranga in February if you want to meet up

Farawaytree have always admired your name, cos I just love that book. My inlaws are based in Tauranga area, mine are in Hawkes Bay.

Gotta dash for now, but will try and think of something helpful soon.... you might want to look through some old threads about NZ which might give you some info that you are looking for.

sibble · 23/11/2006 18:13

Agree, Mission Bay, St Heliers, Kohimarama are great places (beaches, cafes) and a stones throw from Auckland central. We stayed in Mount Eden when we first arrived. DH walked to work in AUkland and he's not that fit, close to cafes shops parks and even buses. I would have happily stayed there but DH wanted to do the lifestyle thing.

caffeinequeen · 23/11/2006 18:16

Bumping as heading to NZ in the spring for holidays and just interested.

themaskedposter · 23/11/2006 18:17

papillon

Yes - would be great to meet up ...

CAT me if you can - or let me know email etc!!

Papillon · 23/11/2006 18:22

sonya09 at hotmail

I will be able to recognise you seeing as you are a world famous MN party goer

themaskedposter · 24/11/2006 08:09

will email now ...

and yes, ones hand is getting rather sore from all the autographs one is having to sign!

farawaytree · 24/11/2006 22:13

Sibble - thanks for the tip about transport in Auckland I had rather figured we would stay somewhere local and travel around using the buses etc. I thought this would give me a better feel of the people and lifestyle, but maybe we will need to get a car from day 1. What do you think? I also know what you are saying about Tauranga, but it is being sold in the UK as the up and coming place to be and obviously with cheap property. Why would you not choose to live there?

Tangox3 - it is going to be really hard as we only have 2wks and 1 day to get a feel for NZ and base our emmigration on it. One of my friends had recommeded Mount Eden as a potential living area but it is interesting what you are saying about not getting a feel for NZ being in Auckland Central. Where would you base yourself? If you are familiar with Surrey then we are in the Esher suburbs but close to London (not that we visit London that often anyway) I would rather be close to a beach!

themaskedposter - thank you too for your info, although I am slightly worried about Tauranga being too slow I am optimistic about the 'future' unless I have just been sold the sales talk. Is there somewhere you could compare it to in terms of pace of life, ammenities etc in Britain? But I think nevertheless we are planning on having a look it looks soooooo good in the brochures.

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sibble · 25/11/2006 17:42

It's hard to say whether to get a car from day 1. If you are in Mount Eden you can walk to Newmarket, into the business centre, probably catch a bus to Viaduct then the ferry to the NOrth Shore etc......so you can get around but if you want to get about easily and get to more places it really is a car culture here. Everybody drives. I have a 6 and 2 year old and for me getting from A-B before they are tired/bored/hungry etc is key and that's not easy on transport. I guess I also grew up on a tube line and am used to public transport getting me about (give or take the usual emergencies) quicker than driving.

If I was arriving I would either stay in Mount Eden, see how I went without a car or at Mission Bay etc and have a car. Both have great schools, playgroups,park areas, tennis courts and a good community feel. Mount Eden has a more city feel and Mission Bay more of a cruisy beachy feel.

Property is cheaper in Tauranga and it is meant to be the next up and coming place but it just didn't feel right for me. We also wouldn't get well paid jobs etc. Having said that you have access to fantastic beaches and are not too far from Auckland or Hamilton (although being close to Hamilton is debatable!!!!!!!!sorry.) Jobs pending I would live at the Mount.

It'll be hard to make a decision in 2 weeks if you've not been before, it's so different here but it was the right choice for us. If you want to catch up when you are here or give me a call let me know and I'll give you my email.

farawaytree · 26/11/2006 15:13

sibble - thanks so much for the great advice. I think as Mount Eden keeps on cropping up I will look for somewhere to stay in that area. If DH sticks to his current profession in Marketing we would definately need to be in Auckland. I have been compiling all the top agencies and they are exclusively in Auckland. But if he took this as an opportunity for a career change then we could look at Tauranga. It would be great to catch up in Auckland we will be there from 27/3-10/4. I have twins boy & girl aged 5.5yrs who are very excited about checking it out! They want to live there for the simple reason there are 'real volcanos' Did you move from the UK?

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sibble · 26/11/2006 17:45

We were living in Woodford Green, Essex before we moved but DH is a kiwi (from Hamilton). Having said that we rarely see his family whereas I was used to coming home to find any number of mine sitting in my house watching TV etc having let themselves in!!! After 9/11 he didn't want the kids growing up in the UK. We both worked in the city. So we moved here. We started in Mount Eden and I loved it, once a townie always a townie.......but we now have 11 acres just south of AUckland and Dh commutes. The kids love it, chickens, lambs, cows, swimming pool, spa trees to climb. Only 100 kids at ds1's school and 20 max in the class with a teachers aide. Public school not private. There is no way we could have had that if we stayed in the UK.

Drop me an email if you want to catch up. karen h carter at hotmail dot com

twocatsonthebed · 26/11/2006 18:00

I worked on the BBC2 series Get A New Life, and one of the families who moved went to Tauranga. And liked it - I believe they're still there after three (?) years.

They've written a book about their experiences. To be honest, I haven't read it, but it might give you some useful stuff.

ghosty · 28/11/2006 08:00

Farawaytree ... be careful of sibble ... she is a hairy trucker

Only joking! She is lovely and we are good friends ... we met through MN about 3 or more years ago and she is a diamond!

Sadly, I am leaving Auckland in the New Year (off to Melbourne with DH's job) but I can recommend NZ as a place to live most definitely . I personally wouldn't choose Tauranga as a place to live because I find it too small and I am a bit of a suburbia queen ... But then I don't like living in the city either. I live in Howick which is in Manukau City officially but if you look on the map it is the furthest eastern bit before you hit the rural areas. It is a lovely area - close to beaches, good shops, ferry into the city, fabulous views ...
When we first moved to NZ we rented in an area called Meadowbank ... which is nice in a suburban kind of way but it doesn't have much feel or heart to it TBH ... I agree with sibble in that Mt Eden would be a good place to stay when you visit if you want to be near town.

PS, I agree with the maskedposter about cafes in Mt Maunganui ... "Gusto" does the best breakfast/brunch in the world IMO ... we have been known to drive home to Auckland from Rotorua via Mt Maunganui to have brunch at Gusto's

farawaytree · 29/11/2006 09:44

Thanks Ghosty - and especially for the tip about the hairy trucker I'll know what to look for now when I come and visit . I did have my doubts about Tauranga because although I like a rural feel to my home, I also like to be close enough if I want the shops and a city life, so it all points more to Auckland. These are main points for wanting to move and perhaps you can tell me if I am expecting too much from NZ.

  1. Somewhere the kids can walk freely as they get older with only the normal risks involved.
  2. DH less working hours - more time spent with us.
  3. Larger house/smaller mortgage
  4. Nice people general quality of life.

It is a real shame you won't be around in Easter, is your move to Oz a permanant one?

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ghosty · 30/11/2006 03:45

farawaytree .... hi

I will be totally honest with you re. living in NZ .... because many people think NZ is a cheap place to be .... but many people (including us) come to Auckland and find that it isn't as cheap as they think ....

  1. "Somewhere the kids can walk freely as they get older with only the normal risks involved" - NZ definitely feels safer than the UK ... we know many children aged 6+ who walk home from school alone. I personally won't let my DS (7) do that but that is for my own peace of mind (I was nearly abducted when I was 7 so I have a bit of an issue with it). Having said that, NZ has its fair share of crime .... there are rough areas in Auckland just like there are in any city - mainly the poorer areas ... NZ isn't the idyllic place people imagine it to be - there is poverty here, especially in South Auckland and there are places that I would not want to drive through unless I absolutely had to. Petty crime is high ... eg, we have been burgled since we have been here and were never burgled in the UK ... (and once someone walked in off the street and stole my purse from my handbag in my kitchen while I was at home ) We did live in a roughish area at the time though and have moved since then.
The answer is house alarms which serve as a big deterrent.
  1. "DH less working hours - more time spent with us" - It depends on what your DH does. People move from the UK expecting to live like kings. Auckland is an expensive city if you look at the average national salary ... I have a friend whose husband is a policeman on $60,000 a year - a good salary on paper, well over the national average. Anywhere else in NZ and they would be very happy on that wage. In Auckland they are struggling to make ends meet to be very honest with you. We seriously believe that to have the great lifestyle you want and live in Auckland you need to be earning $100,000+ per year. DH started on $80K when we moved here and although I was able to give up work and become a SAHM, with the mortgage it was pretty tight. I now run a business from home and DH has moved on in salary so we are doing very well, but under $80K I don't know how people do it on just one salary.
Working hours tend to be 8.30am - 5pm ... it only every took DH 40 minutes tops to get home from work, he was always home for dinner and bathtime for the children. Our aim in Aus is to cut that back to a 30 minute commute but I don't think that will be possible unfortunately In England DH used to spend most of his time stuck on the M25 and it was awful.
  1. "Larger house/smaller mortgage" - I think you do get more for your money here ... BUT, houses in Auckland are pricey. In a nice city area (Mount Eden for example) you won't get much change from $1,000,000 for a 3/4 bed house with not much of a garden. If you convert that into GBpounds that doesn't sound like too much but for the average kiwi it is virtually impossible. Out where we are (Howick) you can get a nice 3/4 bed house with garden for about $600,000... but again, don't compare that with GBpounds as it is all relative to the $ wages here ...
If you come with a nice chunk of equity from your English house then you will be much better off (we know people who managed to put down 75% of the cost of the house from the equity they brought with them)
  1. "Nice people general quality of life" - I love the kiwis ... they are fab, in the main very welcoming .... the kiwis I know are well travelled, but, as you do in the UK, you do meet people who have never left these shores and are a bit insular (I was asked once if I went fox hunting regularly when I lived in England )
There is some bad feeling towards Asian immigrants (by asian I mean chinese, korean, japanese as opposed to what the British call asian - indian and pakistani) ... this bad feeling comes from kiwi narrowmindedness - thinking asians are coming to NZ and taking jobs etc. It winds me up that I am welcomed with open arms and I am as much an immigrant as the korean lady who lives two doors up from me. That is what I mean by the somewhat insular attitude of some NZers ... For me, NZ is a vibrant cultural mix of Maori, European, Pacific and Asian cultures and Kiwis should celebrate that rather than moan about it ...

Um .... run out of steam now but I can tell you more if you want

HTH

sibble · 01/12/2006 01:15

Hi farawaytree. It's OK we're not a mutual appreciation society but I do agree with Ghosty.

We have a lifestyle, house etc here that we would never have been able to afford in the UK. We did however bring over a fair bit of money and for what we have only have a smallish mortgage. Alot of kiwis work abroad simply to bring money back into the country to advance. Otherwise the situation is very much like the UK hard to get on teh first rung of the property ladder then a slow crawl up. I would advise anybody to live in the NZ$ as soon as they arrive and not convert everything to sterling. If you convert things seem cheap, if you live by the $ you see the true value. For example my weekly shop is $350-$400, petrol $100, monthly elctricity bills $350 and yearly rates in excess of $1400 so you can see money soon goes.

We too were broken into shortly after we arrived. Having spent the best part of 40 years living in London and never been burgled it came as a bit of a shock. But it is very much the way of life in Auckland and an alarm is definately the first thing to buy if you have a house without one. We also keep our gates locked when we go out. There does seem to be alot of petty crime but I think this is because a) it is still a rarity so makes headline news and b) because it is a relatively new thing people are not safety conscious. I know somebody who had their Merc stolen off their drive and couldnt believe it but they always left it unlocked and the keys in it overnight!!!!! I also know a few people who have had their bags stolen but will leave them on table while they go to order, in the shopping trolley or in the car with the doors open while loading the boot. If you come from the UK the chances are you are safety aware and less likely to be a victim.

It's also a weird place to get used to. The govt has a positive immigration policy but there is little infrastructure to support it. Little public transport, poor roading and recently the power for the whole of Auckland went down for 8 hours. We live 30 minutes south, so not far but are on tank water, septic tank and bottled gas!! When you venture a further 30 mins south Statehighway 1 becomes 50kms, single lane with level crossings through towns, hardly the M1. Kiwis will also tell you it doesn't get cold. Don't listen, houses don't have central heating or double glazing, the old villas are quaint but unless renovated serious wind tunnels. When it drops to 0 degrees in winter with a frost on the ground. It's not cold it's ** freezing. We have two log fires we have to chop wood to heat the house and plug in radiators in the bedrooms.

Having said all that I have yet to find anywhere on earth that's perfect. Once you get used to te fact that it's very different it;s a great place. DH still spends less time travelling and more time at home. The quality of life is better. Hardly any keeping up with the Jones' unless you choose to. I know people who havn't decorated or bought new furniture in close to 20 years but own a beach house and boat. Different outlook on life.

Come with an open mind and see what you think yourself.

farawaytree · 02/12/2006 20:03

Hi Ghosty & Sibble. A huge thankyou for your very comprehensive replies - they have given us a lot to think about. In fact, my brain is really hurting with all the thinking . Hopefully we would be able to take 250k with us to give us a start but it is such a huge risk. All we can do now is wait until Easter, send off some emails before we come and see if DH can get some meetings set up. That way we could get some idea of his potential income and start to put it all into perspective.
I must admit we have not been burgled either and after reading your posts thought but then after reading the last few days headlines, it put it all into perspective. The thing I liked most about the end of Sibbles post was the comment that some people haven't changed their decor for 20 years......That really hit a cord with us, having spent so much energy and time on our houses, fretting over what shade of 'beige' to use, I just want to get away from that and have a life - give me NZ!!!

However, with a new house to decorate ......how many shades of beige do they have in NZ????

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tangox3 · 03/12/2006 02:44

Forgot about Mt Eden in my list of possible places to stay! If you want to be walking into the city or Newmarket though, mind which side you stay on as it's a pretty spread out suburb.

Agree wholeheartedly with comments that ghosty and sibble have made about life there. Great advice.

Would still consider the Bay of Plenty though...!

And there are as many shades of beige available there as you are able to imagine!! (well, having never worked in a paint shop, am not 100% sure!!!)

sibble · 03/12/2006 04:12

sleep easy I have just bought 3 different shades of beige including good old magnolia to decorate the whole house!!!!!!!!

heavenlyghosty · 03/12/2006 04:38

My DH works in the paint industry (well, he supplies them with ingredients .... ) I can assure you that every shade of beige is available