Aussie mumsnetters - how expensive is it?

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We have our visas and are planning to move later this year/early next year but people keep telling us - don't!

Several people we know who have visited family have said it is eye watering and their relations are struggling to make ends meet.

I am now having serious second thoughts as the salaries in my husband's profession seem lower. I'd really like some honest advice from the ground

Thank you.

Posted too soon - I still think in terms of "if people come to visit what will they think"

In The SE growth corridor you can buy a plot for $150k and build a basic 3 bed house for $150k - I mean basic, carpets are extra.

But at that price you have 1m of garden all around your house and because of eaves your house may actually be touching next door -.

But at least the commute by metro into the city is only $11 a day return. $3.30 on a weekend

IMO the best thing about Melbourne is the flames on the south? bank

To Melbourne posters - can you recommend any areas for me to zone in on with my estate agent/rental cost arm chair search. We are from the country and currently have an acre of land (like I'm going to have 5 m of land in Oz ) so really we are not urbanites. That said we are not suburbanites either so not sure if better to go way out of the city to the country or just rent a house with patio near the beach. As I said DH will 99.9% certainly be in CBD so it has to be commutable.

I am also going to look into schools from over here first. What are the good independent ones?

Plus wondering how much it is to bring a car - did anyone do that?

If you go away out of the city to Frankston South, Mount Eliza and Mount Martha, you'll get the big house and garden and close to the sea, but not cheaply and a with a massive travel. There are private schools there, but I don't know much about them. Vair nice areas.

Nearer to the city is Bayside which I know more about. Lots of private schools, all of which have good reps; St. Leonard's, Haileybury, Brighton Grammar. State primary schools are good, though you'll find the, ahem, change of pace a bit of a shock - quite laid back.
Good access to CBD by rail and by car down the lovely Beach Road. It IS suburbia, but very pleasantly so. It is not cheap. We found renting in the higher end of the market brought better houses and less competition for them. Gardens are not large; there's a tendency to knock down older properties and build monster houses which fill the block. Having said that, shop around. With renting, find out which rooms are heated (it will be ducted). Some have unheated rooms, though high end is not usually a problem.

Lots of little bijou shops and restaurants/cafes. Excellent library service. Bins always collected on time!

Is the car very special, because it's very expensive to do this.

The most elite independent schools are the Anglican/Uniting ones. Melbourne Grammar, Scotch College, Wesley, St Michaels. Have a look at their glossy websites. Can be very hard to get into but have occasional surprise places come up.

If you wanted to be out of Melbourne have a quick look at the Macedon Ranges area in the north west. Places like Kyneton, Gisborne, Riddells Creek are all less than an hour from Melbourne by train and you could have a bit of land and see kangaroos in the morning etc. Then you could be looking at Braemar Collage or Macedon Grammar.

Here is a nice house for rent www.domain.com.au/Property/For-Rent/House/VIC/Mount-Macedon/?adid=8241651

I would say Eltham or maybe Hurstbridge would be good suburbs to look at. Eltham is very leafy and towards the edge of the city - Hurstbridge is pretty "country" and you probably could get a pretty large plot. They have a fast train link to CBD from those areas too.

However you are far from the beach if you go that side.

Thanks I'm going to spend the weekend having a look at these suggestions. Someone told me not to live north of Melbourne but Macedon looks nice.

I am interested that you can't always get into independent schools - does that include primary?

echt we thought of bring one of the cars (an Audi Q5) because we heard it was extortionate to buy in Oz. But I haven't looked into the cost of bringing it - am I in for a shock?

Get on to the pomsinoz forum for lengthy and informative threads about this. I believe if you import a car on a working visa, you have to take it with you when you leave. It's in the thousands.

A fair number of folk bring special cars because, apart from the cost of buying them in Oz, they hold their value. Oh, and they don't rust.:o

People put children's names down for schools at birth

What Mosman says is true- my parents put my name down at 4 for private boarding.

I put DS down for Penleigh and Essendon Grammar when he was three, for a year 7 entry. He was not offered a place as "we had left it so late."

On the other hand, DD got a place at Lowther Hall Girls Anglican Grammar for year 4 a few months after we first enquired.

The suburbs in Melbourne's north can be very dreary (except for Essendon and the fabled Moonee Ponds which are nice and quite expensive). The Macedon area is outside Melbourne and is a mix of rural and small towns with good access to the city. Miles away from beaches but bushland, wineries and horse country.
I agree with Eltham - it is also very lovely. Most well-heeled expats head to Brighton but there is much more to Melbourne imo.

Actual expenses we have in Brisbane (2 DCs, one in daycare, one in state school prep).

Rent: $440 per week. 3 bed house in nice area, 25 minutes from CBD.
Car: $480 per month - Mazda 6 estate bought new on finance. Rego (car tax) includes 3rd party insurance, and costs $660 a year.
Food: $150 per week - don't do all your shopping in Coles/Woolworths, use the local shops instead - much cheaper and better quality.
Electric: $350 per quarter - no pool, use air-con a bit, but not much.
Water: $25 per quarter
Foxtel: $85 per month
Phone line: $15 per month
Internet: $35 per month
Health Insurance: No health insurance - had no problems with Medicare for myself (hip problems needed MRI and consultant) and DS (annual trips to see a paed). As private medical cover is a rebate system rather than insurance, I see it as a total waste of money. Having said that, ambulance cover is free in Qld.
Contents Insurance: $300 a year
Daycare: $90 per day (once we've become permanent residents, this will be rebated at 50%)
Train: $150 per month
Petrol: $140 per month
Mobile phone: $15 a month
School fees (state school): $180
Before/After school and vacation care: $22 a day (price includes two after school activities per week which change each term, including dance, martial arts, soccer etc)
Additional school fees: $0 per year
Activities (swimming/gymnastics): $150 per term per child (not through school)
Return flight to UK for 1 adult and 2 children: We go on holiday in Oz instead.

Now, obviously we don't have the lifestyle that many of the posters above have, but we hardly live in abject poverty. We have annual passes to the Gold Coast theme parks ($99 per person) that we use about once a month, the museums and art galleries in Brisbane are free (and very good). We also regularly go to the beach (free) and the local parks are excellent. Both me and DH work, and our combined income is ~$160k before taxes.

The local state school is rated more highly than any Catholic or private school within 5km, and we had no problems enrolling with 6 months notice. DS (who has some problems) has settled in brilliantly, and we've had really positive feedback and results. A full set of uniform for the year set us back about $180.

Also, if you're earning Australian dollars, don't try and convert everything to GBP. The AUD/GBP exchange rate isn't the same as the salary or cost of living comparison. Generally the salary/COL rate is 2.2AUD:1GBP. Also savings rates are much higher over in Oz.

If you want to come over to experience Australia, then I would suggest you don't stay within the British ex-pat cocoon. Australia is a wonderful, amazing place with its own share of ups, downs, ins and outs. I love it here, and I would never move back to the UK unless we were deported.

thylarctosplummetus when I move over I'll find you and you'll be my best friend, we think so alike. If you don't want to, I'll force you

also would you mind telling me the name of the school, since you're so happy with it? Thanks

Patricks Road State School.

www.patrroadss.eq.edu.au/

And always happy to make new friends as long as they don't harp on about how hot it is in the summer, how they couldn't live without their air con and pool, but they don't think they can afford to send little Johnny to Stuckup Grammar School, because the Australian electricity process are so extortionate. :)

Drop me a line when you get here, and I'll take you out on the town :o

LOL!
It'll be a couple of years, but you're on my list, I love you already

tylar is there a way I can pm you please?

thylar I mean

I found it, sorry

Ferny grove .. Lovely area.. Amazing Indian at arana hills... Sitar express I think.. I could also have written your post... However we live near caboolture and our choice of private schools is.. Interesting... And state schools require full body armour! And we have private health.. I guess bring a nurse and seeing the mess qld health is in atm that's part of it. Basic health cover is all, to avoid some tax too! And age loading when I am crumbly and need attention. I too will be refusing to leave Aus.. Brisbane even unless its in a box!

Return flight to UK for 1 adult and 2 children: We go on holiday in Oz instead. This actually wasn't for a holiday, a family member in the UK had been diagnosed with a terminal illness. We're holidaying in Oz this year.

Have now added 'stress about schooling' to 'stress about healthcare' and 'stress about finding a house with a pool that we can afford more than one week in' (oh and stress about DH finding a job).

Australia is not quite the laid back experience I was expecting .

Seriously should I be looking for a school now given we are coming in Jan/Feb next year? and don't any of these private schools allow for expats?

I think it depends where you are going. It will be hard to get a school sorted without a job and an address so you know where you are living! Ideally come for start of new school year which is about 28th January. Lots of state schools in a small area, or private schools in some areas!

Oh and i have no idea about any school private or public that doesnt accept expats.

You could look at Park Orchards if you want rural but not far out of the city. There are some amazing 'properties' as they say and it has a very rural feel Larger Map maps

Or Warrandyte or even Wonga Park.