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Anyone in Japan? Tsunami alert - any more news ? PLEASE

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RatherBeOnThePiste · 11/03/2011 06:50

DH who gets these things has had a tsunami alert for Japan. Does anyone have any more info? Itsjust breaking news about the massive earthquake at the moment.

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Pennybubbly · 14/03/2011 13:10

Thanks for your posts everyone. I know theyre not just to me but its good to know we are being prayed for Smile.
My DD has only just turned 6 and is so stressed by this its heartbreaking. I want to keep abreast of whats happening, but at the same time, there is no was I can keep the news on constantly - she was sleep-talking / crying last night and I know shes terrified that we are all going to die.. Thankfully DS has only just turned 3 so is blissfully unaware of whats going off, except for the odd mada jisshin? (another earthquake?) comment.
They are both fast asleep now and my heart is nearly breaking when I look at their angelic faces and think that some mums can no longer do this after Friday`s tragedy.Sad

AlfalfaMum · 14/03/2011 14:53

Thinking of you all over there, and praying that you will all be okay and get some respite from the chaos soon.

KickArseQueen · 14/03/2011 16:32

((((((Hugs )))))) To you Pennybubbly, I can honestly tell you that there are people all over the world atm thinking of all the people in Japan stuck in this situation.

My mind is boggling at the numbers of people who have been lost, I live in the UK, but I've heard so many people saying that we don't realise how lucky we are. My friend still hasn't managed to get a flight.

Thanks for all the updates on here,

spamm · 14/03/2011 17:00

Your updates from Japan are an amazing real life insight into the situation there. My thoughts are with you all, and I will definitely be hugging my ds very tight when I put him to bed tonight.

My company is raising money and talking to the relief agencies about how we can help, as all the employees worldwide want to get involved. It is a large defence and security company, so we have some skills and technologies that hopefully will be useful.

But if there is anything you think of that I could do personally for you MNers - like maybe send treats for your DCs when mail is up again, - please shout. Not sure what would be of help, if anything from here. Keep safe.

Thingumy · 14/03/2011 23:40

bumping thread

2333: More details on the reported blast at Fukushima's reactor 2. The explosion is feared to have damaged the reactor's pressure-suppression system, Kyodo says. It adds that "radiation tops legal limit" after the explosion.

TanteRose · 15/03/2011 00:38

Morning, sakura, PlasticFlamingo, Pennybubbly Smile

just checking in.

I am at work now, we had our first blackout this morning...we live in an apartment block so no water either. DCs went off to school as usual.

Hope you are all OK - the nulcear situation in Fukushima is worrying, and the press conference this morning (saw it on computer) was a joke Sad as they don't seem to have any information.

anyway, stay safe Smile

sakura · 15/03/2011 00:53

HI tanterose, I was just beginning to relax about the nuclear plant. What new developments have you heard?

TanteRose · 15/03/2011 01:17

there was a blast at Reactor 2 at Fukushima which damaged the container, causing a radiation leak..they have evacuated the plant so there is no-one checking the situation from the inside now...not sure how bad it is...

on a different note this is a nice piece in the Times today

sakura · 15/03/2011 01:27

THanks. so basically they can't fix it in case the workers are injured. Fair enough, but shit..
I haven't subscribed to the Times. could you c&p the article for me?

TanteRose · 15/03/2011 01:33

Why shakes leave the Japanese Unshakable
Ben Macintyre - The Times, March 15 2011

"The elderly and exhausted Japanese survivor was carried by piggyback into the medical centre and gently placed in a chair. As her rescuer left the room, she struggled to her feet and bowed.

Alongside the chaos and destruction wrought by the terrible earthquake and tsunami have been scenes of heart-breaking orderliness and self-control. Japan is prostrate and fearful, but there are no reports of widespread looting, panic or hoarding. There is, as yet, very little anger directed at the Government.

Western news crews search the wreckage for images of fear and anguish, for outrage and despair, but the Japanese survivors avert their faces and cover their eyes if they weep.

This extraordinary stoicism can be summed up by the Japanese word gaman, a concept that defies easy translation but broadly means calm forbearance, perseverance and poise in the face of adverse events beyond one?s control. Gaman reflects a distinctively Japanese mentality, the direct consequence of geography and history in a country where the cycle of destruction and renewal is embedded in the national psyche. The Japanese are not earthquake-proof but, like their buildings and bridges, resilience has become inbuilt in a nation adapted to sway and bend under shocks that would shatter other societies.

Japan has known utter devastation before, and the horror of nuclear fallout, but its recovery after 1945, and the ensuing economic miracle, owed much to this uncomplaining tenacity, a collective pride in endurance, survival and reconstruction.

When the Japanese Prime Minister described Friday?s earthquake as ?our worst crisis since the war?, he was deliberately invoking gaman: ?In the past we have overcome all kinds of hardships. Each of you should accept the responsibility to overcome this crisis and try to create a new Japan.?

Gaman is part of the glue that holds Japanese society together, a way of thought instilled from an early age. It implies self-restraint, suffering in silence, denying oneself gratification and self-expression to fit in with the greater good. Originally a Buddhist term, it has come to signify self-denial, solidarity and a certain patient fatalism.

This hardiness and social cohesion enabled Japan to emerge from the devastation of world war and thrive. But the rigid order and self-abnegation that it implies are also what keeps the beleaguered ?salaryman? at his desk, toiling away with grim determination. That rigid conformity, obedience and sense of national purpose helped to propel Japan recklessly into the Second World War.

Some in the West find the Japanese aloof and unfeeling in their reaction to disaster, and assume that ?normal? human emotions are being suppressed. There is some evidence to support that view. The Kobe earthquake in 1995 that killed 6,400 people and wiped out about 2.5 per cent of Japanese GDP was greeted with gritty determination to rebuild the city. Only later did the psychological aftershocks become apparent, with higher rates of suicide and mental illness.

But to see this measured response merely as evidence of a bottled-up culture is to misunderstand how Japanese society is founded on a shared pride in recovery, and how deeply risk and response to adversity are bound up with being Japanese.

Japan lives on a psychological as well as a seismic fault line. Its founding gods were foul-tempered and ferocious. Successive earthquakes, tsunamis, typhoons and volcanic eruptions have left this land with an acute sense of vulnerability, but a corresponding mental sturdiness.

Every Japanese child is brought up to expect upheaval. Disaster Preparedness Day falls on September 1, the anniversary of the Great Kanto Earthquake of 1923 that killed 140,000. The importance of persevering and rebuilding in an uncertain natural world is reflected in traditional architecture, art and popular culture.

The cult television show Endurance (Za Gaman, in Japanese), in which contestants try to outdo one another by withstanding a gamut of unpleasant experiences, is a target of some mockery here, but it is more than mere entertainment in Japan, where physical and mental endurance are still so highly prized.

In the West, we look for reasons for natural disasters: we blame global warming, government failure or God. In the wake of Hurricane Katrina, some saw biblical retribution for the ?sins? of New Orleans. The Japanese relationship to nature is different: Man is neither battling nature nor at its mercy, but part of it.

Japan is braced for nature?s violence like no other country. Every bullet train has an automatic shutdown- switch that activates when an earthquake strikes. But as events at Japan?s nuclear power plants show, safety technology has its limits. Disaster cannot always be prevented: it can only be coped with.

The Japanese are coping in ways that some find hard to relate to: with deep sadness, but without breast-beating, complaint or recrimination. It is hard to imagine any other people who, when the Earth buckles and their world collapses, form an orderly queue and wait.

The contrast is perfectly illustrated by the way the tragedy has been covered. Western reporters stand before a backdrop of utter desolation. Japanese reporters tend to find a wider view, with a standing building. They do not thrust microphones towards the homeless and bereaved, demanding to know how they ?feel?. At a moment of acute national pain, the Japanese audience does not want to intrude.

In The Remains of the Day, the British-Japanese novelist Kazuo Ishiguro brilliantly created the butler Mr Stevens, reserved, dignified, upholding the rules of correct behaviour, the epitome of British-style gaman. Such qualities may seem old-fashioned, but in quake- ravaged Japan they are a vital bulwark against even greater destruction.

Japan endures 10 per cent of the world?s seismic activity; recent days suggest that it may also be home to a disproportionate stock of the world?s fortitude. We like to think that understated resilience in a crisis is a peculiarly British trait, but today the stiff upper lip is Japanese."

TanteRose · 15/03/2011 01:36

Its a good article, but I do disagree that Japanese reporters are less invasive...they are terrible for shoving the microphone into the faces of the bereaved, asking them how they feel Hmm

Pennybubbly · 15/03/2011 06:32

Hi TanteRose, Sakura et al.
Have made the decision this morning to take the kids to my DHs hometown in Shikoku tomorrow. DD has her hoikuen graduation tomorrow morning and shed be totally gutted if she missed it so we are leaving after that.
TBH, I think we will be fine if we stayed put in Tokyo. The embassy is saying no need for evacuation and the risk of a second earthquake & tsunami is falling each hour. But my DH is away there on business anyway towards the end of this week and I NEED to keep the family together at the moment.
Lots of friends have already evacuated south - and quite a few even returned to their home countries but after the initial terror and panic I felt when I first heard this, I cant help but feel its over-reacting. That sounds as if I am quite blase about the whole thing - which I can reassure you I most am definitely not! - but until the embassy / BBC / CNN / nuclear experts are saying get out, I`m going to (try and) stay as calm as I can - for my kids.
Take care.

sakura · 15/03/2011 06:35

that is a nice article. tbh it explains a lot about DH. Seriously he's just acting like nothing's happening. I thought he was being an ostrich but when you think about it, if circumstances are beyond your control, the what's the good in fretting? Confused

The news doesn't look good. 30km around the plant are being evacuated, and it looks like another plant is going to explode. people have been told not to go outside I'm worried about the crops, food and water supply. They'll have to be written off.

I'm not sure who is and isn't supposed to stay inside tbh

sakura · 15/03/2011 06:41

hi pennybubbly,
I think going to shikoku is a good move Smile but yes like you, I think leaving Japan could be an over-reaction just yet.

BeenBeta · 15/03/2011 07:23

I have just got up to hear the news on TV and saw the huge explosion and dust cloud. It is tragic news that the reactor is damaged.

The Reactor No2 that just blew up is a different tye to the first two. It contans MOX fuel that is a mix of Plutonium and Uranium.

If particles of plutonium are escaping the plant I woud leave Tokyo imediately. Microscopic particles of plutonium breathed in will cause cancer. It is hard to know what state the reactor is now in given the plant is abandoned.

DW lived in Tokyo for a while, we have freinds there and were planning to take our children there this summer. We feel very sad for the people of Japan today. They are a very resourceful people and we just hope they can pull together and get through this.

BeenBeta · 15/03/2011 08:03

Reuters are now reporting here that a fuel storage pond is also on fire which is releasing radioactivity direct to the atmosphere. The wind is blowing the smoke south towards Tokyo although the wind is due to change direction towards the west.

BeenBeta · 15/03/2011 08:14

Further information on the burning fuel pond.

"A particular feature of the 40-year old General Electric Mark 1 Boiling Water Reactor model ? such as the six reactors at the Fukushima site ? is that each reactor has a separate spent-fuel pool. These sit near the top of each reactor and adjacent to it, so that cranes can remove spent fuel from the reactor and deposit it in a swimming-pool-like concrete structure near the top of the reactor vessel, inside each reactor building.

If the hydrogen explosions damaged those pools ? or systems needed to keep them cool ? they could become a big problem. Keeping spent-fuel pools cool is critical and could potentially be an even more severe problem than a reactor meltdown, some experts say. If water drains out, the spent fuel could produce a fire that would release vast amounts of radioactivity, nuclear experts and anti-nuclear activists warn."

lottiejenkins · 15/03/2011 08:15

Ive just seen such a sad picture. A young girl sitting sobbing in her coat with bare legs and her boots beside her, she is sitting in front of a huge pile of rubble Sad

OhYouBadBadKitten · 15/03/2011 08:17

Struggling to come up with the right words this morning. Thinking of you all and praying.

heartheriver · 15/03/2011 08:25

BeenBeta, do you know what will happen to the particles of plutonium over the longer term? Eg over a week, a month, a year?

BeenBeta · 15/03/2011 08:35

The particles would continue to be blown around in the atmosphere and lay as dust on surfaces etc.

They wil not disappear as they are an element but just sit there emiting radiation. The Toxicity section of this Wikipedia article decribes the risk. The particles can be breathed which is the most significat risk.

It is not clear how much radiation or what particles are being emitted by the plants or the various fires there. My feeing though is that the risk has risen to a level that is now worth considering leaving Tokyo for a while if I had children.

heartheriver · 15/03/2011 08:37

So how will they get rid of the particles?

BeenBeta · 15/03/2011 08:40

They can't be got rid off. As the wiki article says, plutonium produced in nuclear accidents and weapons tests etc are a continuing environmental risk.

In practice, the particles get dispersed by the wind so their concentration is gradually reduced by that. However, in areas very close to nuclear blasts or accidents they obviously remain in much higher concentration.

heartheriver · 15/03/2011 08:42

Thanks. I did read your Wiki link, but am not a scientist so was a bit Confused.

thumbwitch · 15/03/2011 08:57

the half life of plutonium is huge, isn't it?
Just checked - it appears to be about 24,000 years. That means it would take 24,000 years for half the plutonium to break down (iirc). It's a very stable radioactive isotope.

So massive releases of plutonium into the atmosphere could have drastic effects for years.

I think under the current circs I'd also be looking to get out of Japan now, before they upgrade the risk any further. Waiting until they say it isn't safe might be too late, as there will be a huge rush.

Keep safe, everyone. Still thinking of and praying for you all.

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