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where's best to live in nz,and what do we need to know?

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AngryBeaver · 16/01/2011 20:57

My dh has been on at me for a year to move from the uk.He wanted Quebec,which looked gorgeous and romantic,but i wasn't sold on the winters and coudn't leave my mum.
He recentley said he wanted to move to NZ and i thought ,yeah if it's warm and a better life than here,let's do it.
So we've got fuck all money and 3 kids under 4.5 ...but we want to do it.
I don't know what's changed in me for me to agree ,but I hear th schools and hospitals are fab,and just want the best life for my lovely children.
I'm worrying though because I've read the houses are crap and cold.
We want sun,space and not too expensive (don't we all!)
We thought Tauranga,but that seems quite busy and we've read about boy racers.
We don't want Wellington as we've heard it's windy and weather not great.
Does anyone know about Nelson?Heard it's nice weather,but what's the reality?
We are going to put the house on the market this week,I am shitting myself,but I feel it's now or never.
Any help or advice,gratefully recieved

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AngryBeaver · 20/10/2011 17:22

Yeah, I think the surfy bit would put me off.
Fair enough, I know ther's bound to be a large number of water sports (don't be filthy!) that are popular over there..and I'm all for kids enjoying their environment and being active.After all that's a part of why we want to move to NZ.
But I think a town outweighed by teenaged,"Yo dooood" surfy/skater types would get to me.
I think I'd prefer a retirement village!

Yes,we have a detached house here, 3 bed 2 bath,not really big.Small garden.

Dh showed me a thread on another forum that listed all the good bad areas of Hamilton. That was quite helpful.
I am hoping we will be nearer The Bay Of Plenty in Winter....

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WhatSheSaid · 20/10/2011 18:10

Raglan didn't strike me as teenage-surfery - I mean I'm sure there are some teenagers that go there but also loads of surfer-types in their 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s and older! I was there for New Year once and it wasn't rowdy or anything. Quite laid back actually. Anyway, it's all academic as looks like you want to be heading away from Hamilton to the east not the west.

AngryBeaver · 20/10/2011 20:53

Well,that's the plan.But I'm saying all this about a counrty I've never set foot in!! We will just have to come over and spend dh's day off trekking around,trying to find a spot we 'd like to call home.
Dh tells me that there was a gang brawl in Hamilton today,involving a 9 year old boy. Knives and bats in the middle of the street...hmmm

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ScroobiousPip · 21/10/2011 05:44

Oh wow, AB, just logged on after a few months away (trip back to the UK, then other stuff going on). I don't know where to start.

So, so sorry to hear about the baby. What awful news for you all.

At the same time, massive congratulations on the job! What fantastic news after all this time! I think Hamilton is a great place for children. Hopefully you'll love it. And if not, it's so easy to move later - Kiwis are way more mobile than Brits. It's more normal here to move on after 6/12/18 months to a new job.

As for gangs, yes, we do have them, but on the whole they are fairly self contained. You can live here a lifetime and never experience any issues.

If you're still looking at flights, I'd suggest a couple of options. One is fly through Asia (Singapore Changi airport is the best) and break the journey up with a stop over. A few nights if you can afford it, a few hours if you can't. Changi has a swimming pool, gardens and playareas so it's great for giving the children some exercise before the next long flight. They also have a stopover hotel in the airport that you can book by the hour.

The other option is to fly Air New Zealand and book a Skycouch (basically 3 economy seats which convert into a flat area that you can lie in). With all of you, it would mean you could take it in turns to nap. The downside is you'll need to transit in Los Angeles which is hell on earth - long queues, fingerprints, nowhere to sit, unfriendly airport staff convinced everyone is a terrorist. We always go through Asia now, Singapore if possible, after bad experiences at LA in the past.

Almost certainly a 16month old will be too big for a bassinet (DS was way too big at 18mo - they're for newborns really). I'd either go Skycouch or pay for a child's ticket (own seat but costs about a third of an adult ticket). Trailfinders is really reliable travel agent - we used them when we emigrated out here.

You're going to have a million and one things to do in the next few weeks but you will get there. Here are a few things to think about:

  • think carefully about what you will bring with you. Some things here, like furniture is expensive (no Ikea!). You can buy 2nd hand so it is perfectly possible to arrive here with just suitcases but if you've got nice stuff, think about whether you want to ship a few bits.
  • make sure you get your mortgage company and insurance company's permission if you decide to let your house out.
  • British Gas homecare is expensive but really worth it for peace of mind as a landlord.
  • get a good letting agent. Don't go for the cheapest management fees. Peace of mind is way more important than whether you get charged 8 or 10% (speaking through bitter experience here!). You want an agent who will take the time to talk you through the process and knows about managing properties for overseas landlords. Ask them, for example, if they can help you get your NRL1 sorted so that you aren't taxed at source on the rental income.
  • don't forget to notify HMRC. The good news is you may well get a tax rebate as you are leaving the UK part way through a tax year.
  • don't bother renting in NZ without seeing the property first. Book yourself into a motel in Hamilton for the first fortnight - that'll give you plenty of time to do some house viewings and work out where you want to be. Better than being stuck for 6 or 12 months in the wrong place (and then thinking that NZ is awful and getting on a plane home without really settling here first). Avoid houses that face south, are in native bush or come with a free dehumidifier. Check whether the property is insulated and how it is heated.
  • when you do get here get in contact with your local playcentre. It's a great way to meet other families and make new friends.

I'm sure you've got loads to do but just wanted to say CONGRATULATIONS again! Very happy for you and your family.

lollystix · 21/10/2011 07:56

Hi - been a while but just logged on. Angry - brilliant news on your eventual move - you've done it!!! And I'm so so sorry about your loss SadSadSad. I really cant say anything to make that less sad but big hugs to you and your family. It's great you've got the move to focus on.

So it's Hamilton right? Dh was also offered a job there a few months ago but we decided not to take it as the work options for me looked very limited and I'd have to work.

Our news is good and bad in other ways. Auckland is now not happening. Dh told his boss he wanted to go (big deal as he kind of showed his hand at work). Nz boss then said nothing now in Auckland and that need to be more flexible. So we are reconsidering asking about cc and welly but I think welly (my preference) has less options for him. So dh now going all cold on it and I feel sad as still really want to go. Good news is that our boy arrived last Thursday -Brodie - and all is well although he's up all night and we're on our knees with him and the other kids. It's focused us that we have to get this put to bed soon and I keep pushing dh to speak with the Nz guy to resolve but he's sticking his head in the sand. Another Scottish winter for usSad

Weta · 21/10/2011 08:12

Just to say I totally second the idea of Singapore Airlines - we always always fly with them ever since the time DH took an Air NZ flight that was actually a Singapore codeshare and we discovered both the airline and the airport.

We did a two-night stopover when we moved from NZ to France but didn't actually enjoy it that much with a 17-month-old as we found the humidity very tough. Now we usually opt for approx 12 hours in Singapore and book into the airport hotel - you can book in 6-hour blocks so we always take two and usually end up sleeping for about 7 or 8 hours, having a swim and some food and then on to the next flight. If you do want a stopover, Singapore Airlines has a stopover programme that is worth looking at (half price meals in the hotel, which brings breakfast etc down to a more reasonable price).

It's also worth looking really closely at the regulations for the bassinet as DS1 was still able to fit in it at 17 months - he is light, and was just at the end of the allowable height. It's true they give priority to smaller babies but at this time of year I imagine the flights aren't so full as at Christmas or in the summer. I think we also booked a seat for him although that sounds a bit strange now!

Good luck with it all!

ScroobiousPip · 21/10/2011 09:52

yes, to be fair, my 18mo was an absolute monster! Smile

thelittlestkiwi · 21/10/2011 10:28

We flew SA too and highly recommend them. We did stopovers with DD 4/5 months in both directions which was a mistake as she had jetlag so stopping just doubled the pain.

I think bassinets have a weight limit- you can check online. Better airlines will give you a spare seat if there is one. We had an awful flight to Oz on Qantas and I will never fly them again. Would be more assertive in future as they left me holding DD with my meal tray for over an hour - even after I asked them to move it.

Next time we plan to stop off in one direction and going straight through in the other.

AngryBeaver · 21/10/2011 16:11

Hi scroobious, I wondered where you'd disappeared to! Nice to 'see' you again Smile Thanks so much for all the information, it's very much appreciated.
Yes, my head is spinning with it all and I'm running about so much I feel as though I might meet myself coming back, as they say!
I will read your post with dh more thoroughly,when the kids are in bed. Impossible to take much in when theyre up.

lolly,many congratulations! Gosh,that pregnancy seems to have flown by..thouugh I'm sure it didn't for you. I thought you had a couple of months left!
I understand your dh feeling a bit despondant at this stage. I often felt like we were flogging a dead horse and may as well give up. Even dh said similar,just a few weeks ago.
But what my (Scottish Wink) Granny always says, what's for ye,'ll not go past ye!
So maybe he'll come round when things have settled down a bit with baby Brodie? Many congratulations again Smile you're a lucky lady x
Thanks weta and kiwi for the flight info,I'll definitley take that on board (scuze the pun!)

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AngryBeaver · 21/10/2011 23:15

What do we think of Emirates? Dh can get 10% off the flights, so all in, all 5 of us could get in for £2,000 one way.
We're thinking more about Cambridge. Dh has been posting on another forum and they seem to think it's the best bet.

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WhatSheSaid · 22/10/2011 02:21

I've never flown Emirates, I think they're fine from what I've heard. Would it be 2 flights or 3 with them though? I think some of their flights go via Australia, meaning an extra flight on top of the usual 2.

febes · 22/10/2011 03:46

Emirates goes direct to sydney in about 15hours then only a 2-3 hour flight over the tasman after that. You have a few days in sydney- awesome city to be a tourist in.

itshotintexas · 22/10/2011 04:15

Emirates are right up there with Singapore Airlines - definitely a good way to go. Congrats on NZ - its a great place!

WhatSheSaid · 22/10/2011 05:36

Surely not 15 hours from the UK to Sydney on Emirates Shock Shock Shock? If so I've been flying with the wrong airlines all these years Grin

justaboutstillhere · 22/10/2011 21:31

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thelittlestkiwi · 22/10/2011 22:07

If emirates let you avoid Heathrow that might be worth doing. I loathe Heathrow though.

WhatSheSaid · 22/10/2011 22:31

Singapore used to fly direct from Manchester which would have been great for you AB. They went Manchester-Singapore, Singapore-Auckland. It was fab - no need to get to Heathrow. A friend of mine says they have changed it and now go via Munich though...

AngryBeaver · 23/10/2011 17:42

No,it still goes from Manchester. Couldn't be doing with Heathrow!
We've just returned from a weekend in The Lakes. Feels weird knowing we probably won't go on 'our' walk again, or stay in 'our hotel',for a very long time,if ever!
It's a very surreal feeling.

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kiwidreamer · 23/10/2011 18:02

To celebrate the All Blacks wining the rugby world cup today (thank the lord, would have been a sucky birthday for moi otherwise!!!) AirNZ 5 day deal £150 off return flights - 5 days only :) I booked with Singapore Airlines just three days ago lol so bummed about sale but happy to hear good reviews from posters above!

WhatSheSaid · 23/10/2011 18:02

Yeah I know it still goes from Manchester...it's just it's 3 flights now, not 2...extra hassle getting on/off planes etc.

WhatSheSaid · 23/10/2011 18:12

Talk about scarily close though kiwi, I think the whole country stopped breathing after the French try for the rest of the game...way way way too close for comfort (and happy birthday btw)

AngryBeaver · 24/10/2011 07:43

Congrats, Nz!(O suppose i'd better start taking an iterest in Rugby?!)
...And Happy Birthaday kiwi Smile

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AngryBeaver · 25/10/2011 17:53

Got the medicals tomorrow,dh reckons we're going to fail because we've got The Cold...anyone know how strict they are. The baby is on antiboitics for a borderline chest infection...fingers crossed we're ok cos we can't afford any hold ups!

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WhatSheSaid · 25/10/2011 18:25

It's many years since I had my medical but you're not going to fail because of a cold or a chest infection. They are looking for long term/major medical issues that could cost the health system a lot of money.