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Pancreatic and liver cancer

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WilsonMilson · 17/05/2023 22:49

Diagnosed today. I can’t believe it. I thought I had gallstones. The liver tumour is already 7cm, I can’t even remember what the pancreatic one was, it’s on the head of the pancreas. They did more CT scans to see further spread but I don’t have those results yet.
I just am in a blur.
My pain has been getting really bad the last few days and I’m worried this is it. I will have a meeting probably next week to discuss the plan for treatment -if any.

I’m not ready. I’m 45. I have a son and a lovely husband. I have elderly parents.

I’ve gone into hyper organisation mode. It’s madness really, but tonight I bought birthday cards for my son, husband and mum for the next 4 years. I’ve been transferring money to different accounts to make it more accessible. I’ve emailed my son’s school, I’ve started writing to do lists.

My mum is flying in on Friday and will stay with me. I’m just so devastated and so sorry for my poor son and husband. I cannot believe this.

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Crikeyalmighty · 22/05/2023 16:29

It's certainly worth looking at diet etc, not necessarily as a cure but can help keep you to keep your strength as good as it can be if undergoing treatment/procedures. Things like fresh smoothies can be really helpful too if you don't feel hungry - we are all rooting for you x

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WilsonMilson · 22/05/2023 17:58

Hi everyone, wasn’t sure if I would post today as I’m not having a good day mentally at all. Had a bad night and have had a couple of panic attacks that I’m struggling to get a hold on and I might have to take the diazepam again. My pain isn’t too horrific today, so that’s one thing, but I’m freaking out within myself. My weight is falling off but I think that’s stress as well as cancer.

Sadly the MDT are really taking their time in getting back to me, they meet once a week on a Friday afternoon to discuss all HPB cases in Northern Ireland and I have heard absolutely nothing yet. I’ve tried calling the clinical care nurse but no joy. My GP called me today as she was hoping I would have heard, but there’s not much she can do. It feels very cruel.

I do have some more information though that my GP relayed to me about the CT scans. So, what I was told the ultrasound found last week was a lesion at the head of the pancreas, but this has now been deemed to be an enlarged aortic lymph node. This is marginally better than a pancreatic tumour, but still stage 4 if in lymph nodes, and C19-9 pancreatic tumour marker still very high so still uncertain and I’m only guessing as the MDT team might make a different call. I don’t have this as gospel as I am still waiting, but from the CT scan, my GP thinks the cancer seems to be a primary liver tumour 7.8cm with vascularity, and other lesions on the liver too. No mets in lungs or elsewhere, just liver and lymph.

Is this better?!? I don’t know. I have to stay off google as I’m really fucking myself up reading things and I have had to stop. So I’m really no further on and honestly frantic to get moving before it goes everywhere. Surely they can’t make me wait any longer?

Sorry this is not a very uplifting one, I’m very scattered today. DH took me out for a drive up the coast a bit for an hour, he’s off work at the moment because of all this, and work is going to become another problem soon. It was sunny today and I was grateful for that. So grateful for my poor family. My son has an AS level tomorrow and he’s decided to go ahead and do it. I really hope he does so well.

Honestly guys, I’m climbing the walls today. Does anyone have any suggestions at all about how I can cope over the next couple of days? I feel like I’m sitting on death row here and things are getting worse all the while nothing is being done.

I keep looking up things on YouTube and found something by a woman called Dodie Osteen who was cured of stage 4 liver cancer in 1981 just by prayer and healing. I don’t know if it’s just clutching at straws, but that’s been about the only light in my day. I’m praying all the time.

Hopefully tomorrow will be better.

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Biscuitandacuppa · 22/05/2023 18:13

Hi @WilsonMilson I have been reading your thread, wishing you strength and praying for you and your family.

It is the hardest time not knowing what the plan will be, sometimes the fear of the unknown is paralysing.

Is there anything in the house that needs sorting out? Something small and achievable like a cupboard or some drawers. Something to occupy your time that is mundane.

Hope you hear something very soon xx

HighHeelsHurt · 22/05/2023 18:14

Hi, I can’t tell you how much you have been in my thoughts. I’m sorry to hear it’s been a bad day today - but as ever you seem to find the sunshine behind the clouds in your posts and glad you got to the beach and the sun was shining.

I sadly know exactly the limbo you are in, we had it when my dad was diagnosed. One thing we did, that I have such fond memories of, was digging out all our old photos. We had some printed and my mum had some in boxes in the loft. We spent about 3 days going through them all and laughing about all the memories, bad clothes, terrible haircuts of our childhood. It also made my mum and dad reminisce and we got loads of stories of when the were younger, their wedding etc and even that my dad kissed someone else when they were 15 and my mum was heartbroken!

It might be a nice thing for you and your boys to do to keep in the moment x

Ambertonix · 22/05/2023 18:20

If prayers work @WilsonMilson you know you have a whole army of us rooting and praying for you here. Good luck to your son i hope he does well in his exam and the ones to come.

Mattieispregnant · 22/05/2023 18:32

Do you know which consultant is responsible for your care? I would consider giving their secretary a call and explaining your situation and asking for a call back. I know it’s no guarantee, but I think most would understand your fears and take time for that call (DOI I am a hospital consultant but in a very different specialty). Also I think that is probably good news that it’s liver primary as opposed to pancreatic.

I know if it was me I would be nowhere near as calm and together as you are and you really should be so proud of how you’re dealing.

Robotik · 22/05/2023 18:33

Hiya
i am an oncology nurse but work in a specific specialty (not liver unfortunately)
I have no words of real advice other than maybe to call the consultants secretary to ask for a call back the same day. I think it’s torturous waiting for your results and treatment plan. Once you know what’s happening I think you’ll feel so much better.
they may want to biopsy the lymph node as this will affect staging.
I am thinking from your post that you are thinking you have primary liver cancer with no spread to other organs? Im sure you know this is better than pancreatic primary. I think this is good news from what you’ve said and I’m pleased for you.
otherwise just to say there are lots of anti cancer treatments that even if they are not curative (not saying this is your case!) that can control many types of cancer, im fairly sure immunotherapy drugs are used for liver cancer too. Good luck, I am hoping for good news for you

Pianono · 22/05/2023 18:53

Hi @WilsonMilson I have been thinking of you so much. You may feel that you are falling apart but your posts are full of serenity and grace, and love for your family. It's clear that your life is a well-lived one and that you are truly loved. I hope you are getting great comfort from that. I wish you all the very, very best with what you are dealing with. Just a little anecodote, a family friend who was many, many years older than you was given a prognosis of two months to live with lung cancer and went on to live a very full life for a further twelve years. Each story really is different. 💜

adriftabroad · 22/05/2023 18:56

I have 2 lesions on my liver, my friend has one on her kidney. They are fairly common.

I would guess a primary cancer in your liver is better than one in your pancreas?

Praying I am right xxx

AMuser · 22/05/2023 19:02

WilsonMilson · 19/05/2023 09:37

Thank you. I’m in Northern Ireland, just outside Belfast.

God’s county eh. So much beautiful coastline. I hope it gave you some small comfort to be by the sea.

I have nothing I can constructively say other than how utterly sorry I am. So sorry that you have ti endure this.

dotdotdotdash · 22/05/2023 19:26

Hi @WilsonMilson, thanks for the update. Thinking of you and your family! Meditation might help with the panicky feelings. The Headspace app is good. Also if you have a garden or balcony, tending to plants can be calming too.

Remaker · 22/05/2023 19:27

There can be a lot of pressure to be positive when you have a cancer diagnosis but it’s normal to feel worried, anxious and upset particularly when you’re waiting.

I was fortunate that I was told the treatment plan for my cancer as soon as it was diagnosed but I did have to wait a couple of weeks for surgery. I went through a lot of emotions in that time! I enjoy jigsaws so I would put on a podcast or audio book and do a jigsaw. I found having my hearing, vision, hands and brain all engaged at once was calming and kept negative thoughts at bay. Just a note on audio books though you suddenly realise that cancer is mentioned everywhere and rarely in a positive light.

I really hope you get a call from your team tomorrow.

midnightblue12 · 22/05/2023 19:50

Oh OP I can't imagine how stressful life must be right now. You must feel in absolute limbo land, not knowing what to expect or when to expect it.
It's absolutely disgraceful to leave you like this, also to be given incorrect information. I really hope you're contacted tomorrow. I imagine that once there's a plan in place and you know what's what it will start to feel lighter.

Sending you lots of love and prayers xxx

NuttellaAndPuppyLover · 22/05/2023 20:07

I feel for you. The place you're at right now is the scariest one. I massively relate. In my case, the delay was to start chemo because I was too weak after emergency surgery, and I could almost feel the cancer growing inside me with no treatment and that was driving me up the wall. Things that helped me:

  • colouring book. I got a swearing one and it helped me channel my anger and pass the time
  • watching simple things on tv when you're alone - I got into "this is us" and love island! That helped me forget about the cancer for a few minutes.
  • looking at photos with my daughter (she was only 4), so we looked through old photo albums together and I told her about the photos as much as I could
  • I only had one friend I felt comfortable with at that point so she used to come to see me so as I could just have a good old cry. It made a huge difference.
  • that was also when I joined Mumsnet - so you're already doing something! I made some real life friends on the cancer thread and that has been lifesaving in itself
  • I asked to be referred to a psychologist because I was not coping, and I was seen in less than a week.
  • definitely recommend calling the consultant's secretary if you know who they are. These people are amazingly helpful and supportive, and they are the bosses (not the other way round!) so they can nudge them for news
  • try to digest the news as and when you can and be positive if there is a reason to be and not because someone says you should. So, for example, if it is confirmed it is "just" liver cancer, take that as a win compared to pancreatic cancer.
  • find out about the treatment and take one step at a time. I spent my whole time planning my funeral (I was certain I would not make it to 1 year) and that in itself was very damaging.
  • do whatever you want to do, even if it's silly in someone else's eyes. I used to take my chemo tablets for my priest to bless before I took them, and for me, it helped. Who cares if it doesn't? I also used to try and imagine this silver light coming into my abdomen and filling my insides with a bright silvery liquid, and push out a black cloudy smoky liquid (think it was my visualisation of the tumour), and I would focus my mind on that until I could visualise my whole abdomen filled with silver and not one black bit inside. I've no idea how I came up with that crap, but it calmed me down massively when I was getting panicky (which was fairly often)!

Sorry for the massive post. Hope some of it is useful x

CrotchetyQuaver · 22/05/2023 20:21

Hi @WilsonMilson , pleased you've updated again

I'd do two things, organise/authorise for your DH to be able to discuss your medical care with the GP surgery. With my dad this was just a simple form he had to sign and then I could speak directly with the doctors and get answers. Handy with a 96 year old who was a bit deaf and whilst compos mentis wasn't as quick as he once was.

With the oncology MDT stuff, I would push and push and push. Make a real nuisance of yourself. Get your GP on the case too if they will do it. They never ever came back to us about dad, I phoned and was told his file was on the consultants desk. I don't believe it ever got opened and read. With hindsight I should have called and pestered them every day about him. I'm pretty sure there was nothing they could do for him, he was too old and thus frail even if in incredible shape for his age. But they should have contacted us or the surgery to tell us of their decision. We were never told officially but it's easy enough to find out online from reputable sources what stage it is and thus what is likely to be offered.

Have you made contact with your local hospice yet? They are the absolute experts in pain relief and treating symptoms and just generally sorting you out so you feel as well as you're able to and keep functioning. Our local one were astonishing, literally nothing was too much trouble for them, doctor there or on call 24/7

deltablue · 22/05/2023 20:22

@Nutella- really practical and helpful suggestions, I'm sure @WilsonMilson will appreciate them.
We're all keeping you close during this time you are in limbo. God's peace.

WilsonMilson · 22/05/2023 20:35

@NuttellaAndPuppyLover such a helpful post, thank you so much I’m going to take that on board - the visualisation is something I think I would find helpful. How are you now? Sounds like you’ve come out the other side?

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Eurodiva · 22/05/2023 21:36

@NuttellaAndPuppyLover …really wise post .OPplease don’t spend tomorrow waiting for a call,definitely call the consultants secretary,ask your husband to if you don’t feel up for it ,call your GP ! Once you know the plan it will really give you incentive to keep on going. Definitely consider primary in liver as preferable to pancreas.Am thinking of you .💕

NuttellaAndPuppyLover · 22/05/2023 21:46

I'm glad you found it useful @WilsonMilson - I've been trying to think of what else I did, my memory is a bit foggy as it was such a dark time you seem to forget some of it.

Thank you about asking about me. I was reluctant to mention it in case it came across as giving you false hope. I was diagnosed 5 years ago, stage 4, and was given a 10% chance to get to 5 years. As it happens, half way through my chemo my diagnosis was revised and I was deemed stage 3 and not 4 because the oncologist and scans established the cancer cells found were not metastatic but in fact "spills" from the emergency surgery, and that improved my prognosis massively. I've just made it to 5 years and am currently in remission.

It's a horrible rollercoaster and a shitty journey, almost regardless of whether you recover or not. It's a black cloud hanging over you for the rest of your life, however long that is. So I won't sugar coat and tell you to be positive. Just be as strong as you can for yourself and your boys. And nothing else matters.

Lots of love x

bloodywhitecat · 22/05/2023 21:51

Are you taking Creon?

waterlego · 22/05/2023 22:04

What brilliant posts from @NuttellaAndPuppyLover. So wise and- I imagine- really helpful for @WilsonMilson. I’m so pleased to hear your cancer is in remission Nutella. You speak so movingly about how your experience has irrevocably changed you.

@CrotchetyQuaver, I’m appalled that you weren’t informed of your Dad’s outlook. That’s heartbreaking, I’m so sorry you were treated like that.

I’m sorry today has been so shitty @WilsonMilson. I hope tomorrow is better and that you’re able to speak to your consultant’s secretary and perhaps ask GP to advocate for you. It’s so cruel to have kept you waiting like this. You need to know your diagnosis and plans for treatment. I can only imagine how awful it feels to be feeling so ill with precious time wasted waiting instead of moving forward with something. Hoping tomorrow is a brighter one. You are doing so well, just ‘keep buggering on’ as a brilliant TES poster (and cancer patient) used to say.

Take one hour at a time. Use the diazepam if you need to; they’re amazing things and can help numb some of your anxiety, even if only for a short respite. 💐

SarahSmith2023 · 23/05/2023 07:49

@WilsonMilson 🌸morning, I hope today is a better day. It's a beautiful morning here, I hope it is there.

You mustn't feel like posting daily is an obligation. We are here to support you! But hopefully the replies after you posting when you're low will help lift you a little.

Personally I think the liver being the primary & not the pancreas can only be a good thing 🤞🏼

I'd join the chorus of ring the consultants Secretary - they're usually lovely & helpful.

Good Luck to DS for his exams. Hopefully once he's in the exam room he can focus on that for a couple of hours.

How much longer can DH stay off work? Maybe he could do compressed hours to give him some 'free time' for beach trips & maybe they can give him special leave for your appointments? Most companies are great when they know the situation 🤞🏼☺️

I've only had panic attacks after my Dad died, they felt dreadful at the time, but compared to others who have them a lot, I assume they might have been 'mild' I don't know, but what helped me was going outside. I don't have a beach nearby anymore (a good couple of hours away) or I may have virtually lived there, but even on my lowest days just standing in the doorway helped. So try taking one of your special teas into the garden for a bit.

There are a lot of 'calming' breathing Apps, might be worth a go, but they don't work for me, they make it worse for me.

Talk to your friends, I'd do anything for any of my friends in your situation. No matter how big/small or how ordinary/bizarre!

im sure one of them would be up for beach drives, when DH has to work more

Love & strength
💕

Rockschooldropout · 23/05/2023 19:29

I posted on your original thread and I’m so sorry you have received what must feel like the most devastating diagnosis - you are most likely feeling as though your world has just fallen in on itself right now …. Twenty years ago I worked as a surgical nurse in a vascular and gastrointestinal ward. A diagnosis of liver cancer is way preferable to a pancreatic cancer diagnosis (if it’s possible to have a preferable diagnosis !)
This is not an automatic death sentence, I know it’s hard not to just think it’s game over , but that’s not the case at this point .
I’m assuming the MDT will be discussing treatment plans with you soon , the wonderful thing about the liver is that you can remove quite a bit if it and it will function very well (if surgery in the first instance is discussed )
My father has terminal lung cancer , he’s nearly 80 but he’s still going strong and enjoying life . One thing he found useful was that in meetings with his consultant he asked permission to record the conversations so that he could listen back as sometimes all the info can overwhelm you and it can be difficult to take everything on board . Writing down questions before your appointment will help too and obviously having your husband to advocate for you

WilsonMilson · 23/05/2023 20:27

Hi everyone, today has been slightly less panicky, but also very difficult to settle, have much chat or enjoyment in anything, just floating. I was snappy with my mum earlier which I regret, she’s doing her best. Took a diazepam last night and did sleep better, albeit soaking in sweat.

My pain hasn’t been too bad, but I have the most awful full and bloated sensation in my upper abdomen, which is making it feel difficult to take a deep breath, and was making me a bit lightheaded earlier, better now. Can’t eat big quantities at all so going with little and often. Someone earlier in the thread asked about Creon - my doctor won’t prescribe it until I’ve seen the team, but I’m definitely having malabsorption issues - my hair has gone to shit, my nails have gone bendy and my skin looks so sallow and grey.

No further forwards in terms of plan, but I did manage to speak to my consultant’s secretary who told me that my case will be definitely be fully discussed and planned at this MDT meeting this Friday. THIS Friday - how can they let it go on so long?? I’m sitting here with cancer spreading itself about inside me! Am I that lost a cause that time doesn’t matter? I don’t know if this is how it works elsewhere, but it is how it seems to work here.

I keep getting dark and self blaming thoughts about why I didn’t follow this up sooner, why I just accepted that it was gastritis, perimenopause. I’ve been knackered for ages, I’ve had digestive issues for over a year. I keep blaming myself that this wasn’t found long ago when it might have been treated, that I should have advocated for myself better. I know I can’t think like that, but it’s hard.

Had another bunch of flowers sent to me by a friend today. I’m so touched by the kindness I’ve been shown.

My son had an exam today and he did his absolute best, he’s been a bit quiet and withdrawn today. I’m looking at options for him to go and speak to someone about all of this, it’s all very well speaking with us, but I think it might help if he also had some outside support.

DH has been doing a bit of work here and there at home. He is lucky in that he is a partner in the company so has some autonomy, but on the flip side of that he has responsibilities that aren’t easy to walk away from, even for a few days. He’s gone from an extremely busy and productive man to someone who doesn’t want to leave my side. As for my work, that couldn’t be further from my mind.

Feel like I’ve gone into a bit of denial that this is happening. I think it’s a coping mechanism as whenever I was facing up to the situation in the last few days, I was going into tailspin panics. Today I am more balanced but feel completely in denial. I guess that won’t last long once I see the oncologist.

One thing that I can’t seem to really do is cry. I have barely cried the whole time, and I’m a crier. I’ve shed a few tears here and there, but I haven’t bawled. I don’t understand that at all.

Taking some advice and have tried visualisations and also definitely trying to stay away from google. Fell down the rabbit hole of looking at natural cancer protocols though, but they are so convoluted and filled with bizarre things (turkey tail mushrooms anyone?) that I just can’t go there right now.

One thing we are doing at the dinner table is taking turns to talk about one thing in that day we are grateful for. I thought it would be a positive thing to start doing as I really don’t want the road ahead to make my family bitter about life in general, tough days will come but I still want to look for the light.
We are also talking about favourite memories we have, it’s kind of uplifting and heartbreaking at the same time, but somehow it feels important.

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