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DS13 came out as trans

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ConstantGravy · 03/05/2021 23:18

Not been on here in a long time, and never on this board, but yesterday my DS13 (almost 14) told me he does not feel comfortable in his body and believes himself to be a girl. He has felt this way for over a year and has waited to see if it's a phase before talking to me. He knows what he's experiencing is called gender dysphoria and wants his pronouns to be she/her.

It blindsided me totally, to be honest. He's still very much a boy to my mind. He's never been one for gender conformity, but he's happy enough in his body (apart from his deepening voice, which he says is the worst thing), he doesn't really want to change his clothing yet and doesn't seem to do other telling things, like peeing sitting down for example. He's never tried on my clothes or make up, even when he was younger and going through a phase (which he came out of as even by his own admission he wanted to be a girl "for the wrong reasons") he never wanted a dress or girly dressing up clothes. He still makes lots of "boy" jokes - genitals, toilet humour that sort of thing, that as girls me and my sister never really found funny.

He is autistic and has ADHD and I do suspect this could be playing a part in things. But I also know him that when he's made his mind up about something that's it (I couldn't potty train him, for example, then one day he decided he wasn't using nappies any more and that was that).

He has said he would appreciate my support in exploring things, has no idea what he wants the final outcome to be or whether he wants to change his body permanently and that he understands this could be an ASD reaction to puberty changes, but at the same time has picked a feminine name and would like to change pronouns.

I want to support him, as do the family members that know, but we are also wary of sending him down the wrong route by being too enthusiastic IYSWIM? In telling my parents yesterday I found out I have a trans second cousin (FtM) who only transitioned recently and very suddenly at only just 18 and we're wary of that, but DS pointed out that was 4 years away yet for him and lots could happen in that time. He's obviously further ahead on this path than we are but even he is still in disbelief that we believe and support him thus far. I think my main worries are that because of the ASD that as he doesn't feel like a stereotypical boy he's assuming he must be a girl. I suggested NB, gender fluidity and they/them to him but he is adamant that she/her feels right. I suppose part of me feels like he's already the weird kid and I don't want him to make his life even harder, although of course I want him to be happy in himself.

This is all very new and as a single parent with no involvement from exH I have to keep a tight reign on everything to keep both of our lives running smoothly. This is something I ultimately have no control over (his feelings) and my anxiety is through the roof as he's looking to me to be 100% on board and know what to do and the truth is I haven't got a clue!

He also says he's bi, but to be honest, that's the least of my worries as I'm bi myself!

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floppybit · 03/05/2021 23:35

I'm afraid I don't have any advice but I wanted to say how brilliant that he feels comfortable enough to talk to you about this and you sound like a great mum. Good luck, I'm sure someone with wise words will be along soon.

Noregrets78 · 04/05/2021 15:34

I'm so impressed by his self awareness, to know that this may be caused by something. I'd be wary of changing name and pronouns too quickly - this is downplayed so much as a small thing, but in reality it's social transition, and can result in entrenching a position which otherwise would have been more flexible.
A watchful waiting approach would seem sensible.

LoveSleeping · 04/05/2021 15:45

I'd talk to him about NOT trying to label himself as anything or put himself in any particular box at the moment as this can be confusing - just be who he is.

Shizuku · 05/05/2021 14:19

The first thing I would recommend is running a mile from this website. If you resist any kind of affirmation, the people on this site will support you enthusiastically, despite the harm that the science says you are likely to be causing your daughter (I say "daughter" in respect of the pronouns she has asked you to use):

www.thetrevorproject.org/survey-2019/?section=Introduction

www.thetrevorproject.org/survey-2020/?section=Introduction

www.jaacap.org/article/S0890-8567%2816%2931941-4/fulltext

www.jahonline.org/article/S1054-139X(18)30085-5/fulltext

transpulseproject.ca/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Impacts-of-Strong-Parental-Support-for-Trans-Youth-vFINAL.pdf

pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/137/3/e20153223

However, if you do affirm, they will treat you like this:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4236668-britain-s-youngest-trans-child

Nowayhozay · 05/05/2021 14:33

As I understand it Gender Dysphoria presents in a multitude of ways.
Being Transgender doesn't necessarily mean that there is a desire to transition.

This age can be very confusing for all sorts of reasons.

Watch and wait but also support and help if asked, you sound like you have a great relationship so good that he is able to talk to you.

My DS has never expressed a desire to be a girl but has from a young age and still as a teen loves to wear girls clothes, make up etc.
No need to put a label on him.
Acceptance and support is the key.

ConstantGravy · 05/05/2021 14:54

Thank you for all the resources @Shizuku. I have adopted her preferred pronouns and we've talked about things and as @Nowayhozay said, she currently has no clue whether she wants a full medical transition. She would like to present as more feminine, but even then not "all the way" if you get what I mean? She knows this is time to explore her identity without making any full on judgements for now and I've reminded her gender is a spectrum, not a binary. But she is adamant it's she/her not they/them and DEFINITELY not he/him. She is open to counselling and support to make her mind up and she knows she doesn't have to make any permanent changes. Honestly, she's pretty much phobic of anything medical, so I know she'd have to be really sure of herself before she went down that route.

I've found some resources on FB which seem to be more accepting without necessarily labelling. The affirmation I'm giving is that her feelings are valid and that's that.

To be honest though, I'd rather have a happy, healthy daughter than a depressed, anxious, self-harming, suicidal son. And she doesn't have to be either if that's what she chooses, she will always be my child.

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Nowayhozay · 05/05/2021 15:03

@ConstantGravy

That's great to hear, I'm sure she will enjoy presenting as more feminine at whatever level she is comfortable with.
It will certainly do wonders for her mood and mental health.
Good luck

Xoxoxoxoxoxox · 05/05/2021 15:09

Have you had a look at
www.transgendertrend.com
They don’t advocate going down the puberty blockers/medical route and are worth a look.

Coolerthanapolarbearstoenails · 05/05/2021 15:12

Op, you don't have to lie to yourself.

All through you opening post you referred to DC as he, then after a few posts I won't highlight, you went to she.

You know your child. Support them to explore themselves and be their true selves - but they are still IMO too young to understand the gravity and reality of what they are suggesting.

FelicityBeedle · 05/05/2021 15:17

Trust your daughters opinion, personally I would go with them to the GP if that’s what they want, they should be able to access counselling which can help them with their feelings. Very brave of her to come out to you so young. Please don’t go down the route of ‘not affirming’ her gender. This is code for riding roughshod over her feelings and not letting her live her life as she wishes

EarringsandLipstick · 05/05/2021 15:18

I think continuing the dialogue is what is important at this point.

Your DS (who may want to referred to as DD, use different pronouns, but for this post, I'm taking your starting point) is grappling with a sense of non-belonging. This is going to be potentially as a result of their ADHD as well as the vulnerability of the teen years.

I'd be curious as to what has influenced them to label this confusion as being trans, and their understanding of gender / sex, and the stereotypes that go with that.

Essentially, talk & listen & do very little else at this stage (including pronouns to get honest: words have meaning).

Nettleskeins · 05/05/2021 15:23

Teens with autism can often feel like they are in the wrong bodies.

Please come over to the feminism chat threads; the "happy healthy daughter" v "the depressed suicidal son" trope is very very misleading. Shizuku is omitting to mention that puberty blockers and medical transition can be seen as the answer for unhappy teens but it won't be necessarily make them less anxious in the long run, and affirmation can be very one-sided and yes, damaging.
When you look a bit more closely it is not the neutral counsel it should be.
Transgender Trend is a (good guys)eye-opener, Mermaids is (bad guys) smoke and mirrors

Nettleskeins · 05/05/2021 15:28

Not letting her live her life as she wishes...ok...gambling anorexia drugs.drive cars age of consent.leave school alcohol...do we let actually let most 13 year olds live life as they wish???

Megmargs · 05/05/2021 15:32

I don’t have children and have no personal experience of this, but I’m autistic and follow an autistic YouTuber called Purple Ella who has a trans autistic child. I think she made a video about it with her daughter’s permission, it might be helpful?

swimlittlefishy · 05/05/2021 15:33

Please don't listen to the posters banging on about your "daughter" when talking about your son, and their links are the way madness lies.
Trust your instincts, autistic boys are hugely over-represented in the trans-curious, and its not because they are all secretly female.

Shizuku · 05/05/2021 16:37

"their links are the way madness lies."

You mean the science? Not a creationist are you by any chance?

Shizuku · 05/05/2021 16:39

@Nettleskeins

Teens with autism can often feel like they are in the wrong bodies.

Please come over to the feminism chat threads; the "happy healthy daughter" v "the depressed suicidal son" trope is very very misleading. Shizuku is omitting to mention that puberty blockers and medical transition can be seen as the answer for unhappy teens but it won't be necessarily make them less anxious in the long run, and affirmation can be very one-sided and yes, damaging.
When you look a bit more closely it is not the neutral counsel it should be.
Transgender Trend is a (good guys)eye-opener, Mermaids is (bad guys) smoke and mirrors

"Transgender Trend is a (good guys)eye-opener"

It's run a by sculptor who isn't trans, doesn't have a trans kid, has no experience of trans kids and no qualifications at all in the care of trans children. They also thought it was a good idea for kids to put transphobic stickers on their school books.

DS13 came out as trans
HermioneWeasley · 05/05/2021 16:45

I would support your DS in using whatever name they want and dressing however they like. They need to be reminded that it’s not possible to be born in the wrong body or to change sex, and that feeling “wrong” in your body is a near universal experience during puberty.

Remember that therapists will simply affirm the “wrong body” narrative rather than explore reasons why your DS might feel like that, particularly given as others have said that kids with autism are massively over represented among trans teens

Shizuku · 05/05/2021 16:45

As for Mermaids - when the transphobes tried to get their lottery grant cancelled, the lottery body conducted a 2 month investigation into the allegations made against them and found the claims empty:

www.pinknews.co.uk/2019/02/19/trans-kids-charity-mermaids-national-lottery-grant-review/

"A 40-page document published by the public body, which is responsible for distributing funds raised by the National Lottery for charitable causes, on Tuesday (February 19), concluded that the allegations made against Mermaids were baseless, and therefore did not justify withholding the grant."

DS13 came out as trans
Oblahdeeoblahdoe · 05/05/2021 16:57

What makes you think sex isn't binary?

MrsWooster · 05/05/2021 17:02

Have a look at Bayswatersupport.org.uk which is a group of /for parents of children exploring their gender and which has sections for parents of children with autism.

swimlittlefishy · 05/05/2021 17:03

@Shizuku

"their links are the way madness lies."

You mean the science? Not a creationist are you by any chance?

No, and no. Can you explain why you would connect two such wholly unconnected things?
RufustheBadgeringReindeer · 05/05/2021 17:31

He has said he would appreciate my support in exploring things, has no idea what he wants the final outcome to be or whether he wants to change his body permanently and that he understands this could be an ASD reaction to puberty changes

Sounds like he has his head screwed on, and it also sounds like he has a very supportive mum, I agree with some others (and with your son) that watch and wait is a good approach

Feminism chat does have some mums with trans kids on and can be very helpful, but also reading around the subject can be very helpful for both of you

MonkeyNotOrgangrinder · 05/05/2021 20:06

PMSL at 'transgender trend is run by a sculptor' she's actually an expert in communication, with a background in education. I don't know if she also sculpts but that sounds pretty cool to me tbh.
Mermaids is run by an IT person who presided over a load of personal information of kids who were registered with them being accidentally leaked on the internet, by Mermaids 😬😬😬