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Sanity check on handling a Child Arrangements order over Christmas

50 replies

orangesky223 · 22/12/2025 00:18

I’m hoping for some perspective from people who understand how family court situations actually play out in real life, because I’m genuinely torn about what the right thing to do is.

I’m a dad to a 9-year-old. There’s been a final child arrangements order in place for a few years now. My child lives with the other parent, I have alternate weekend overnight contact, school holidays are meant to be split equally, and Christmas Day is specifically ordered to be spent with me. The order also says we should agree times where my work commitments require and communicate civilly.

Communication has always been difficult. Over time I’ve learned that if I don’t agree quickly to proposed changes, things escalate very fast. When I’ve tried to explain myself or smooth things over in the past, it usually just creates more arguments or gets used against me later, so I’ve become much more cautious and tend to stick closely to the wording of the order.

Recently, during one of my scheduled weekends, my child wasn’t made available. I was told late on that contact wouldn’t be happening. There was no agreement from me to change things and no safeguarding issue raised. I didn’t escalate it at the time, but it did worry me. The missed weekend contact appeared to be linked to the wider disagreement about the Christmas arrangements, rather than any issue specific to that weekend.

After that, I contacted the other parent to try to agree the Christmas holidays in advance. The dates I was sent included Christmas Day, even though the order is clear that Christmas Day is with me. I replied calmly, pointed that out, and said I’m happy to agree any equal split of the remaining days that works around the days I’m working, as the order allows. I also said I’m open to flexibility if we can genuinely agree it.

That’s where things really escalated. The reply I got said there would be no negotiation unless I agreed to certain terms, that I was trying to impose my preferences, and that if I didn’t agree then contact would be suspended. I was also told that if I turned up for contact anyway it would be treated as intimidation and used as evidence. There’s no new court order and no safeguarding concerns.

There have also been other issues over time that I haven’t gone into detail about, including a school day not being made available when contact should have taken place, and communication that goes beyond what I’d consider civil despite the order saying we should communicate that way. I’ve deliberately not listed everything or quoted messages, but it does form part of why I’m worried that giving in now just leads to the same problems repeating.

As things stand now, there’s a real chance I won’t see my child at all over Christmas, including on Christmas Day, despite what the order says. To make things more complicated, if I do exercise Christmas Day contact as ordered, it would mean travelling a couple of hours each way on Christmas Day itself. I’m willing to do that if it means seeing my child and sticking to the order, but it adds to the pressure and makes me question whether I should just give in now to avoid missing out altogether.

My family are very worried and keep telling me to just agree so I don’t lose Christmas, even if it means compromising now. I understand why they feel that way emotionally, but they don’t really understand how family court works or how agreeing under pressure can quickly turn into a precedent later on. That’s what’s making me second-guess myself.

At the moment I’ve been keeping my replies short and factual, not engaging with threats, and sticking closely to the order. I’m not trying to punish anyone or escalate things, I’m just trying not to make the situation worse or undermine myself long-term if this ever ended up back in front of a judge.

What I can’t work out is whether holding the line like this is actually the sensible thing to do, or whether pragmatically giving in now just to preserve Christmas contact is the better option, even if it causes problems later. I’d really appreciate hearing how this kind of situation is usually viewed in reality, rather than how it feels emotionally in the moment.

(I know only a court can decide - I’m just looking for general perspective. All names and identifying details removed.)

OP posts:
Creu · 22/12/2025 00:21

Why was it agreed that you would have Christmas but the main parent wouldn’t?

Ponderingwindow · 22/12/2025 00:46

your ex not following the court order is a problem. She should go to court to get it changed officially.

that you managed to get arrangements where you barely parent, get to schedule that parenting to be convenient around your work, and still were granted every Christmas makes it very difficult to have any sympathy for your situation.

Does your ex get to parent only around her work? Does she get any acknowledgement for doing all the hard work of parenting?

I would guess that she is fed up with the unfairness of the situation. You could go back to court, but I would hope she would use the opportunity to get this arrangement changed. You might not be happy with the results.

Maybe it’s time to sit down like adults and negotiate a new, fair agreement.

Mosaic123 · 22/12/2025 01:39

I'm guessing the ex is not Christian and doesn't celebrate Christmas Day ?

Ihavelostthegame · 22/12/2025 01:51

Sorry but I have very limited sympathy. In fact none at all. You’re a part time parent who is clearly only interested in the fun parts of parenting. Your post is all about You, what you want and exercising your rights. What about your child? What about what’s good for them? What about what they want? Perhaps they want to spend a Christmas with their mother. Why should you get all the Christmas days? I really hope your Ex gets this court order challenged and at least alternate Christmas days ordered. You don’t say how old your child is but beware as thy get older they will have far more of an opinion and say about where and whom they are with. Alienate them now by forcing them to spend Christmas with you against their wishes and you may find you end up with little to no relationship with them going forwards. They are only children for so long.

nocoolnamesleft · 22/12/2025 01:53

Hang on, are you saying you get Christmas Day every single year? That seems grossly unfair.

Medexpert · 22/12/2025 02:27

Can you clarify OP: when it says you have Christmas day, when is it from and to. Do you mean that the day is split, ie. You pick up your son from 1pm, so he gets to spend Xmas morning with mum and the rest either you?

It would be extremely unusual for an oder to say 24th evening to 26th morning every year with one parent only, unless in exceptional circumstances, such as as already suggested, mum is not Christian and doesn't celebrate Xmas.

On the assumption that the former is correct, the key thing to consider is whether your son has e pressed that he doesn't enjoy travelling for two hours in the middle of Xmas day and this is why mum says tou can't have him? Your son could be anxious to let you know directly.

If this is the case, go back to court and ask it to be changed to every other year. For this year, agree on which day he comes to you to celebrate during the holiday. What matters is that whichever day it is, your son feels happy and enjoy spending it with his dad.

Dressered · 22/12/2025 03:14

Keep a record of any email, texts that detail suddenly ignoring/changing arrangements. Be prepared to go back to court. They will not look kindly on a parent who is deliberately withholding a child from the other parent. Do you want to increase the amount of time your child spends with you? This could pave the way. Do fight for your court ordered right to see your child. Some posters on here seem to think that mothers have a primary right to control when the father sees a child. The law says otherwise. It is why it is so important to have a paper trail of examples when she is flagrantly breaking the law. Don’t give up. The same mothers would hate it if a father constantly changed arrangements /kept their child longer. Be prepared to stand up and fight for your child to show how important they are to you.

ShawnaMacallister · 22/12/2025 03:37

nocoolnamesleft · 22/12/2025 01:53

Hang on, are you saying you get Christmas Day every single year? That seems grossly unfair.

Only if the mother also celebrates. It's quite plausible that she doesn't, I can't think of many other reasons why one parent would have it written in to an order that they get every Christmas Day.

OP to answer your main question - if she's not sticking to the order then you can go back to court to enforce it, but it's a lot of hassle and stress and I would avoid it where possible. It sounds like the breaches have been fairly minor so far. I don't quite understand the Christmas issue as I think you may have made a typo but I agree with family, I would accept what she's offering so the holiday doesn't get ruined and consider my options afterwards.

calminggreen · 22/12/2025 03:47

So you see them once a fortnight - but get Xmas day?? Grossly unfair. Why do you think when you don’t do 50% of the physical mental emotional and presumably financial aspects of parenting that you should get 100% of the fun bits??

ShawnaMacallister · 22/12/2025 04:15

calminggreen · 22/12/2025 03:47

So you see them once a fortnight - but get Xmas day?? Grossly unfair. Why do you think when you don’t do 50% of the physical mental emotional and presumably financial aspects of parenting that you should get 100% of the fun bits??

Please bear in mind that OP has been through court and the mother has had all the opportunities to express her wishes about Christmas - if she wanted half of them she would have half of them. Courts don't arbitrarily give all Christmases to the NRP without a good reason!

calminggreen · 22/12/2025 04:24

Courts aren’t always known for being reasonable

ShawnaMacallister · 22/12/2025 04:27

calminggreen · 22/12/2025 04:24

Courts aren’t always known for being reasonable

A basic principle is shared holidays and special occasions. It's always written in to a final order that special occasions are shared appropriately. For example if one parent is Jewish or Muslim and the other isn't, they will specify that parent gets the relevant festivals even if they fall on the other parent's time. It's more than likely that's what's happened here

Medexpert · 22/12/2025 08:07

That’s where things really escalated. The reply I got said there would be no negotiation unless I agreed to certain terms
What were those certain terms? Thats quite Important.

Also, what does the order say in terms of your working days? There is a difference between you demanding days because you decided which days you wanted to work and which you wanted off without discussing these with her, and having to work around a schedule that is I.posed on her, ie. Your a police officer and not entitled ro take any holiday during that time.

Also, normly, in such instances, the order requires that parent to send their work schedule as soon as they have it. Did you do so?

orangesky223 · 22/12/2025 08:11

Just to clarify a couple of points as there seems to be some confusion. the Christmas arrangements are set out in a final court order that’s been in place for several years, and Christmas Day is defined as the day itself rather than the whole period. I’m not looking to argue about fairness, just trying to understand whether sticking to the order or conceding under pressure is the more sensible approach in practice. I appreciate the perspectives given.

OP posts:
Medexpert · 22/12/2025 08:14

So what time to what time and what was the rationale behind this de isuon?

It's hard to advise without this information beyond go back to court to ask for an inforcement.

roseymoira · 22/12/2025 08:19

The poor child, never getting to spend a Christmas Day at home!

Randomchat · 22/12/2025 08:31

Christmas arrangements are always so fraught. What age is your child, how many more years to go?

I'm assuming you get Christmas Day from midday or something, not the whole day? I can see why the other parent might be resentful of that arrangement if they never get a whole Christmas Day.

It's not clear what you're being offered compared to what the court order specifies, how different they arrangements would be.

My answer to what you should do next reslly depends on how far apart your plans are.

In theory I don't think you should regularly let your ex unilaterally change plans. That way you set a precedent that she can just do that whenever it suits.

But it also sounds like much of your schedule is influenced by your working patterns. Do you work shifts or something? That is always going to cause tension between you.

In a high conflict situation like this you'd be better going back to court for set dates throughout the year and sticking completely to that. No court order can enforce civil communication.

orangesky223 · 22/12/2025 08:37

The mum is allocated other holidays that she celebrates. The order was agreed by both parties at the time and approved by the court. Christmas Day is treated as the full day.

OP posts:
Buscake · 22/12/2025 08:42

Ah so it was issued by consent? I assume she wanted an end to the torture that is CAO. Perhaps now that time has passed she feels what she agreed to is no longer fair to the child. Because this is about the child, not about you or about her.

ShawnaMacallister · 22/12/2025 09:10

Buscake · 22/12/2025 08:42

Ah so it was issued by consent? I assume she wanted an end to the torture that is CAO. Perhaps now that time has passed she feels what she agreed to is no longer fair to the child. Because this is about the child, not about you or about her.

Edited

That's a lot of assumptions with no evidence. OP said she has the festivals that she celebrates. Shared Christmas and birthdays are a basic element of CAOs are not something that parties would need to argue over as no judge would arbitrarily assign all Christmases to one parent if they both celebrated! And if the mother wants to change the CAO she must go back to court, not unilaterally decide to change it. Would you say anything of what you projected about the mother about the father if he decided to change the CAO himself?
Why do you assume the child wants to spend Christmas with his mother? If the mother is Jewish she may treat Christmas Day like any normal day.

orangesky223 · 22/12/2025 09:11

The order remains the final order and has not been varied. No application has been made to change it, and no variation has been proposed to me for agreement. The issue is unilateral changes being made by the mother, or contact is blocked.

OP posts:
Soontobe60 · 22/12/2025 09:16

Why has the mother agreed to you having the DC every Christmas Day? Why do you only have your DC every other weekend?

orangesky223 · 22/12/2025 09:36

Can we keep communications to what is relevant.

The arrangements are set out in the final court order, agreed by both parties and approved by the court. The question is whether I should follow the order as written

OP posts:
ShawnaMacallister · 22/12/2025 09:36

Soontobe60 · 22/12/2025 09:16

Why has the mother agreed to you having the DC every Christmas Day? Why do you only have your DC every other weekend?

Every other weekend and half the holidays is quite standard. OP has irritatingly not specified whether the mother celebrates Christmas but has suggested she doesn't by saying she has the child on festivals she celebrates.

ShawnaMacallister · 22/12/2025 09:37

orangesky223 · 22/12/2025 09:36

Can we keep communications to what is relevant.

The arrangements are set out in the final court order, agreed by both parties and approved by the court. The question is whether I should follow the order as written

It's quite obvious that a bunch of mums are going to ask why you have that arrangement especially when you're posting right before Christmas. It's quite annoying that you are refusing to clarify.