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Grave ownership challenge.... is it possible?

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Iheardagurd · 16/12/2025 20:30

Hi all. All of the below has taken place in England, just for legal framework reference.

This is a highly emotional situation for me and my family, so I'll try not to ramble and be as concise as possible.

My Uncle died suddenly and unexpectedly in May 2020 at the age of 46 years old. He did not have a will when he died. He had a living father, two children (one adult, one aged 9), and a sister at the time of his death (sister is my mum). He also had a partner, who didn't live with him, but had moved in whilst lockdown was happening. In non-lockdown situations they lived seperately.

He had been with his partner for 2-3 years. They weren't married and didn't have kids together. We as a family didn't know her very well, as she lived far away, so we only saw her at family gatherings etc.

When my Uncle died, we were all understandably devastated and hugely shocked. My Uncle's partner sort of 'took over' the admin side of things re:- the funeral/organising things with his workplace etc. At the time it felt like it was incredibly helpful, and she was being really kind, but we now know this not to be the case. We as a family decided how the funeral would run and all the readings/songs etc, but she did the admin stuff with the funeral directors. It was paid for via a gofundme which had been set up by his colleagues at work for the family, however the money was ultimately given to her as she was co-ordinating all the admin stuff. We do now realise this was a huge mistake.

My Uncle ended up being buried (which his partner was insistent he wanted). A few months after the funeral my mum and grandad wanted to put a headstone on his grave. We find out that partner is the holder of the exclusive burial rights to my Uncles grave, meaning we can't do anything without her say so. We had no understanding of how this worked, and to be honest hadn't even thought about grave ownership etc as we were all so blindsided and trusted that partner was handling things properly and was involving us in all decisions.

We ask partner how this happened, and she said because she organised the funeral it was signed over to her. We ask her for her to transfer ownership to my mum/grandad. She refuses, instead stating that we should all work together to design his headstone etc. We initially agree, but she never responds to our requests to sort it out.

My Grandad then became unwell and died in May 2022. At this point partner was completely ignoring all requests to transfer ownership over, ignoring all messages from our family regarding the grave etc.

My Grandad left clear and express wishes that his and my Grandma's ashes be buried with their son. We have been unable to do that as partner completely ignores all of our messages and we can't bury them there without her approval.

We are over 5 years down the line and my Uncle's grave is bare. No headstone, only tended to by my parents and me/my siblings. My grandma and grandad's ashes are not with their son. This woman is doing nothing with this grave and will not respond to any form of contact. My parents have even offered her money to sign the plot over to them. She's completely ignoring us. We don't even know where's she living at this point.

My mum is absolutely devastated. It's taking a huge toll on her mental health and we don't know what to do next. She seems determined to own it but is doing absolutely nothing with it. It's so painful to see my Uncle's grave like this and not be able to put my grandparents with their son.

Basically - Is there a legal process we could follow to acquire the rights to this grave site back into our family? Would it end up costing loads of money with little chance of a good outcome?

Thank you in advance for any replies or advice.

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HundredMilesAnHour · 18/12/2025 20:21

Im guessing maybe the partner wants to be buried with your Uncle when her time comes. She won’t want to be buried with him and his parents. It would explain why she stopped responding when his parents died.

Iheardagurd · 18/12/2025 20:27

HundredMilesAnHour · 18/12/2025 20:21

Im guessing maybe the partner wants to be buried with your Uncle when her time comes. She won’t want to be buried with him and his parents. It would explain why she stopped responding when his parents died.

I sincerely hope for her sake that's not the case. She was just turning 40 when he died - I would hope that she would meet someone and maybe find happiness again, not wait around to die so she can be buried with someone she was with for 2 years. That's insane.

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Galliano · 19/12/2025 08:03

i think I’d assume partner was just as devastated as everyone else and was doing her best during Covid. It must have been horrific for her and incredibly shocking - I doubt she was in a state to manipulate or plot. This is obviously a hugely distressing topic for your entire family - could this have led you to interact with her in a way that made her feel she had to disengage?

Iheardagurd · 19/12/2025 08:58

Galliano · 19/12/2025 08:03

i think I’d assume partner was just as devastated as everyone else and was doing her best during Covid. It must have been horrific for her and incredibly shocking - I doubt she was in a state to manipulate or plot. This is obviously a hugely distressing topic for your entire family - could this have led you to interact with her in a way that made her feel she had to disengage?

I don't doubt she was absolutely devastated. But how does that explain her behaviour for the last 5 years?

When she initially refused to sign the grave deeds over and suggested us all designing a headstone together we agreed. Then nothing. She stayed with my parents in the aftermath of Uncle's death, we made her meals, bought her a beautiful gift for her 40th, she went out on family trips with us etc. I'm pretty confident we didn't do anything to justify her behaviour.

Also, if she loved him so much and was so devastated then why has she left his grave looking like a sad, neglected patch of grass 5 years after his death? Believe me I've tried to play devil's advocate myself, but all roads lead back to it being unjustifiable I'm afraid.

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Iheardagurd · 19/12/2025 09:00

And might I add it's a sad, neglected patch of grass that she never visits or makes any attempts to clean up or maintain. All of that is done by us.

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helpfulperson · 19/12/2025 09:09

When did you last have contact with her? Do you know that she is still alive?

BinLorries · 19/12/2025 09:13

Iheardagurd · 19/12/2025 08:58

I don't doubt she was absolutely devastated. But how does that explain her behaviour for the last 5 years?

When she initially refused to sign the grave deeds over and suggested us all designing a headstone together we agreed. Then nothing. She stayed with my parents in the aftermath of Uncle's death, we made her meals, bought her a beautiful gift for her 40th, she went out on family trips with us etc. I'm pretty confident we didn't do anything to justify her behaviour.

Also, if she loved him so much and was so devastated then why has she left his grave looking like a sad, neglected patch of grass 5 years after his death? Believe me I've tried to play devil's advocate myself, but all roads lead back to it being unjustifiable I'm afraid.

Some people find loved one’s graves too distressing to visit. My own mother was totally shocked that her friend’s husband didn’t put up a permanent headstone on her grave for years after her sudden death, leaving it with just the temporary cross marker that’s affixed at the burial. That fact that he was in desperate grief and bringing up three teenagers solo didn’t compute for my mother — for her, putting up a ‘respectable’ headstone as soon as the grave has settled was more important than feelings.

What I’m saying is that not tending a grave isn’t necessarily an indication of lack of feeling.

Obviously it’s more difficult to understand why your uncle’s partner is not engaging with your family, years on, but, aside from the grave issue, your posts are quite accusatory about her, implying she may have wrongly appropriated money raised for his funeral. Isn’t it possible this is why she’s not engaging, if there’s a generally hostile attitude towards her?

Iheardagurd · 19/12/2025 09:28

helpfulperson · 19/12/2025 09:09

When did you last have contact with her? Do you know that she is still alive?

It's been 3 years since any of us had any contact with her - she's still active on social media so she's alive.

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Iheardagurd · 19/12/2025 09:33

BinLorries · 19/12/2025 09:13

Some people find loved one’s graves too distressing to visit. My own mother was totally shocked that her friend’s husband didn’t put up a permanent headstone on her grave for years after her sudden death, leaving it with just the temporary cross marker that’s affixed at the burial. That fact that he was in desperate grief and bringing up three teenagers solo didn’t compute for my mother — for her, putting up a ‘respectable’ headstone as soon as the grave has settled was more important than feelings.

What I’m saying is that not tending a grave isn’t necessarily an indication of lack of feeling.

Obviously it’s more difficult to understand why your uncle’s partner is not engaging with your family, years on, but, aside from the grave issue, your posts are quite accusatory about her, implying she may have wrongly appropriated money raised for his funeral. Isn’t it possible this is why she’s not engaging, if there’s a generally hostile attitude towards her?

The hostile attitude is built off the back of years of hurt and pain. It wasn't there in the aftermath of his death.

If the above was true and it is far too painful for her, then why cut out his family who also loved him and are equally as devastated? Is she the only one that matters? His son won't even go to visit his dad because of the barren state of the grave. Should that matter less than her feelings? She can't be the main star of the grief show and leave everyone else who loved him for dust. We would we happy to arrange a headstone etc so she didn't have to deal with it.

We've never had a conversation with her about the money, there's never been any accusations towards her from us.

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endofthelinefinally · 19/12/2025 09:55

I guess you will have to get legal advice. Do any of you have free legal advice with your home insurance? I have used it in the past and found it very good.

surprisebaby12 · 19/12/2025 10:01

It may just be the situation needs a stick, rather than a carrot. I’d work with a lawyer on a letter suing for rights to the grave and remains, emotional distress and any funds accrued through the gofundme, which haven’t been used for the grave. Even if it’s just legal posturing, I’m sure that she’d be more keen to sort it out if she thought a court case may come her way…

BinLorries · 19/12/2025 10:22

Iheardagurd · 19/12/2025 09:33

The hostile attitude is built off the back of years of hurt and pain. It wasn't there in the aftermath of his death.

If the above was true and it is far too painful for her, then why cut out his family who also loved him and are equally as devastated? Is she the only one that matters? His son won't even go to visit his dad because of the barren state of the grave. Should that matter less than her feelings? She can't be the main star of the grief show and leave everyone else who loved him for dust. We would we happy to arrange a headstone etc so she didn't have to deal with it.

We've never had a conversation with her about the money, there's never been any accusations towards her from us.

Well, that’s what I’m saying. There’s now an atmosphere of suspicion and accusation. Obviously I can have no idea what’s going on in her head, but your family’s attachment to the grave seems fairly extreme in the opposite way, which is understandable in a sense because of your uncles sudden death at a young age. But his son isn’t being prevented from ‘visiting his dad’, he’s choosing not to visit his father’s grave because it doesn’t have a headstone on it. You say your family members are tending it, so it’s not some weedy, neglected mess, it just doesn’t have a permanent marker on it. You can presumably leave or plant flowers, depending on the cemetery regulations. It’s only that you can’t erect a stone or bury anything in the plot.

I’m not trying to be insensitive here. My mother would be enormously upset by the situation you describe too. But you’re going to have to get legal advice and try to move things forward legally if you want to alter things, rather than getting angry at your uncle’s partner.

OVienna · 19/12/2025 14:45

This woman has massively overstepped.

With hindsight it's very easy to say that handing over the arrangements to someone who was not NOK was unwise.

I wouldn't give any more thought to the past or worry about her feelings at this point - water under the bridge. I'm guessing you don't really care about an apology?

Just go through whatever legal steps are available to remedy it and don't feel guilty.

3luckystars · 19/12/2025 14:50

I would definitely focus on getting him exhumed and moved to another grave. That’s what I would do but I don’t know if that’s possible where you are. It sounds complicated alright.

I know my mothers friend did this with her daughters grave, it was a complicated situation too but it was definitely the right decision and she died at peace about it herself a few years later.

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