Parking Fine - I did not exceed the limit

[MissyPants]

Hi, just wondering if anybody is able to shed some light on why I have been issued a fine please.
In October (not the day the clocks went back) I went to KFC drive through, it was busy, however I was in and out of the drive through within 24 minutes. I didn't park up or anything.
A few weeks later I received a civil enforcement from a parking company saying I outstayed the 60 minute free parking, when I didn't?
The proof they sent me states my 24 minute duration - And the timing was between 23.55 - 00.19am - so is it because it crossed over into midnight?
I have appealed stating this as my reason however my appeal has been rejected based on the reason of outstaying the 60 minute time limit?
KFC have said they can't help with it and have said I have to go through the parking agent. I can now still pay the £60 which was the initial payment but I don't feel I should have to as I didn't do anything wrong?

Many thanks!

It boils my blood. The fact that they think they’re too fucking superior to not issue an apology is beyond. Criminals.

Why on earth would op pay someone else £15 when she is doing such a good job herself? This is so ridiculous they must drop it.

Send back.

“your evidence shows that I only spent 24 minutes in the car park and therefore didn’t exceed my time. Therefore your own evidence proves I’m not responsible for a parking enforcement fine.”

I'm not going to wait for the bank, I don't need it. I'll appeal via POPLA tomorrow.
I just don't need this tho.
Does anyone know how long it would take to go to court if I did? And do you have bayliffs etc before that happens?
I'm expecting my POPLA to be successful, however it might not as they may still try.
What could they say in court tho seriously?' Surely it wouldn't ever get that far?!
I noticed on the kindly worded rejection email they stated POPLA favour 88% of their cases on average, so only 12% of appeals are successful!

The thing is a lot of people will be appealing on not great grounds - for example a mistake in their registration, or only overstaying by a minute or two. Not that I agree with those types of tickets.

You have an absolutely slam dunk case. So yours would be a 12% type.

Here is the straightforward process explained.

https://www.google.com/search?q=POPLA+please+explain+the+process+simply&client=safari&sca_esv=d124881140f2a97d&source=hp&ei=voskaYKMJbi3hbIPpaT28AE&iflsig=AOw8s4IAAAAAaSSZzn0WpZU54om_jtd6STfvhcvrHi6U&ved=0ahUKEwiC49SqnouRAxW4W0EAHSWSHR4Q4dUDCA8&uact=5&oq=POPLA+please+explain+the+process+simply&gs_lp=Egdnd3Mtd2l6IidQT1BMQSBwbGVhc2UgZXhwbGFpbiB0aGUgcHJvY2VzcyBzaW1wbHkyCBAAGIAEGKIEMggQABiABBiiBDIFEAAY7wUyBRAAGO8FMggQABiABBiiBEjaiAFQgA9YsYYBcAF4AJABAJgBf6ABgByqAQQzMi43uAEDyAEA-AEBmAInoAL9HagCCsICDRAuGAMY1AIY6gIYjwHCAgoQABgDGOoCGI8BwgIKEC4YAxjqAhiPAcICCxAuGIAEGLEDGIMBwgILEAAYgAQYsQMYgwHCAg4QABiABBixAxiDARiKBcICCxAuGIAEGNEDGMcBwgIREC4YgAQYxwEYmAUYjgUYrwHCAgUQABiABMICCBAAGIAEGLEDwgIOEC4YgAQYsQMY0QMYxwHCAgsQLhiABBixAxjUAsICCxAAGIAEGLEDGIoFwgIREC4YgAQYsQMYgwEYxwEYrwHCAg4QLhiABBixAxjHARivAcICCxAuGIAEGMcBGK8BwgIGEAAYFhgewgIFECEYoAHCAgQQIRgVwgIHECEYoAEYCsICBRAhGJ8FmAMM8QXt6bS2Hz4_D5IHBTIyLjE3oAfBlgGyBwUyMS4xN7gH8R3CBwkxLjEzLjIzLjLIB48B&sclient=gws-wiz

Thank you, I have to agree.
Probably another tactic to include those 'kindly researched stats' to put you off, no matter the grounds!

Yes it’s stress you don’t need OP.

Shitheads.

I’d respond and ask them to explain how 23.55 to 00.19 is over 60 minutes.

If they still won’t drop it then let them take you to court. A judge would laugh them out of the courtroom.

Why would it not be successful, though? It's the equivalent of a shop accusing somebody of having stolen a one-off item that's still plainly there on the shop shelf.

I was going to say that they're treating it like they can just levy random fines on their own say-so, without any actual evidence... except they've actually provided evidence that you haven't done anything wrong.

They don't have a single little toe to stand on; they need to justify why they randomly want £60 from you, and they have no case whatsoever for why you should give it to them.

Stay in touch with them, so they can't arrogantly abuse their assumptions of being right; but if I were you, I really would tell them that you are demanding that they confirm in writing that they were wrong and that you owe them nothing - otherwise tell them to take you to court and you'll turn up to see everybody laugh at them.

Maybe the judge would order them to pay me compensation for stress and waste of time 🤣
Can you imagine?' Oh the irony!

They certainly should do. Or at least be fined by the court.

If they value it at £60 to compensate them just for occupying a parking space for longer than an hour, how much more would it be worth for wasting the time of a judge and all the court officials - not to mention you, of course?!

Just because I can't quite believe they objected my appeal, so it's now being taken further.
Even my DP says it's ludicrous and surely is an error.
It's not like I haven't given them a chance to come clean either by originally appealing, I just feel POPLA may follow suit.
The only thing I can think of is that it got picked up automatically because it crossed over into midnight.
Is it real people that see these appeals?

DId he not ask for costs on the scale for lawyers acting on their own case?

Whilst I imagine they’re flesh and blood, I can’t be confident that they’re of sound mind.

I don’t understand why you’re even appealing. Just tell them their own evidence refutes the reason for the invoice so it is not payable and if they want to take you to court on that basis you’ll see them there.

I haven’t read the full thread OP, sorry if this has been mentioned but there is great information and advice on how to to deal with these sorts of fines on MSE - Money Saving Expert forum, if you do a search. Follow the steps on there. First step is to ask the store to cancel the pcn as this is the easiest way to get it sorted. If they refuse then follow the steps in MSE website.

I get that, I just want to do everything right by exhausting appeals

Yeah I'm going to see what Martin Lewis has to say about it on the website.
I spoke to KFC, they aren't interested, they said I need to go through the parking company and not them.
Quick to take your money tho.

What it all boils down to is the fact that effectively I am being punished for being in a drive through for 24 minutes!
Normal fast food happenings!
crazy!

I posted a link to his page regarding the process a couple of pages back.

Yes exactly that. Don’t engage with them any further. They might send you a few more letters, but at some point someone with some
common sense will look at it, and they will drop it before it gets anywhere near court.

As I’ve said on a previous thread this isn’t a fine, it’s an invoice. Don’t confuse the two. Only councils and other government bodies can issue fines, and fine hold much more legal weight. This is merely a spurious invoice you are refusing to pay because it’s not correct.

You’re being punished for eating fast food! 24 minutes, bet it didn’t take that to eat it!

But how can they possibly find against you? As PP said, surely your case is one of the 12%. In the very unlikely event that they do find against you, tell them you will pay them as soon as they show you their proof thaf you were in the wrong. Then, if they still persistent in showing you the proof of the 24 minutes, tell them condescendingly that you would need proof of wrong on your part; not clear acknowledgement of NO wrongdoing whatsoever!

Even if they were the police and not some crappy little parking cowboy firm, they would still be duty-bound to provide evidence of what you did wrong before they could find you guilty.

Lots of people will be ruled against because they were technically in the wrong, albeit for inputting a zero instead of an O or something; and some will be definitely at fault but just routinely appeal in the hope of getting away with it.

Seen thank you.